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MikeMcSomething wrote:People keep claiming that CH claimed to have spoken to a lawyer and cleared all of this stuff up ages ago, but
every lawyer in this thread (including at least one intimately familiar with the field this involves) has basically said "Nobody has argued this specific area of the law yet so we can't make any real predictions or point to any specific precedent so it will be interesting to see how this turns out, if it turns out at all" - doesn't that seem a little weird?

I think you're using overly broad terms with "cleared all of this stuff up ages ago."
What they did, in fact, was confirm that the parts they were making were -in that lawyer's professional opinion- clear of any copyright/IP violations.
Look more closely at what the lawyers have been saying.

It's fairly universal that they're saying (a) the add on bits are probably fine (b) the usage of GW terminology is risky, at best and (c) certain larger kits he manufactures/sells may or may not be to his detriment.

Now, granted, those are my own words. One of my close friends is a lawyer, though and they tend to speak in generalities outside the courtroom (on legal matters, anyway), whenever the law on the subject at hand is at all murky.

I hope the lawyerly types here will correct anything I've said in error or support that which is correct.
(I say that as a preemptive strike, because it's in their nature to do so, anyway. )

Eric

CT GAMER wrote:I think this pic sums up nicely what is about to happen to Chapterhouse:

Thats cool Chapterhouse is about to bitch choke Marky Mark........ that would be cool to watch!


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filbert wrote:Get your hands off me, you damn ape!

Guns don't kill people...... apes with guns kill people

theharrower wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:The thing is....we are fast approaching a critical point where people will find they don't need GW. Independent sculptors/casting companies are becoming more and more common. Just think of when you started wargaming-----or maybe just flashback 5 years. Now compare the range of models (and quality) to what there is now...it's a tremendous change.

Fast approaching? Seriously? You're comparing a company like GW that rakes in $50 million a year to some garage kit company that is lucky to do $10K in the same span. GW isn't going anywhere anytime soon. A lot of the stuff you mention like 3d printers and all of that are just starting to come to the fore.

If by fast approaching you mean 10 years from now, then maybe I'd agree with you. You won't see a dramatic shift with this until you can go to miniature company's website, download 3d files, and print the figs on your own 3d printer. That isn't happening anytime soon...

Well...later in that same post (one entire sentence later) I said....

.....well it's going to be a hard road for GW I think in 10-15 years.

So...

Big Tim wrote:I placed an order with CH nearly a month ago but have not received it. Does anyone think this lawsuit might be the cause of the tardiness? Should I contact them, or is shipping normally a little slow with these guys?

It may have needed to be cast, and it's Christmas.

If you want to find out any info from a company, however, the absolutely worst thing to do is contact them. You should always drop a negative comment into an online forum instead.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Big Tim wrote:I placed an order with CH nearly a month ago but have not received it. Does anyone think this lawsuit might be the cause of the tardiness? Should I contact them, or is shipping normally a little slow with these guys?

It may have needed to be cast, and it's Christmas.

If you want to find out any info from a company, however, the absolutely worst thing to do is contact them. You should always drop a negative comment into an online forum instead.

Yep just checked my email for like, the 100th time today. (I usually only check about 20 times a day, but all this media is filling up the mail box fast).

No questions on orders arriving...

Don't be an anonymous 'hater', go ahead, click that send button

So, is GW so insecure because of how niche they are? Because Hasbro/Takara Tomy has no problem(according to their own Q&A at Botcon one year)as long as 3rd Party products don't pierce an (arguably) arbitrary ceiling(iirc, around $100 USD). Hell, some of the companies even get booths at Botcon(yes, I know that Botcon isn't technically run by Hasbro itself these days, but it's still the "official" convention and advertised by Hasbro).

Chapterhouse wrote:LOL, didnt that certain monkey end up locked up in a small room after almost shooting himself in the head with a laser gun?

You better get working on that laser then...

Kilkrazy wrote:

Big Tim wrote:I placed an order with CH nearly a month ago but have not received it. Does anyone think this lawsuit might be the cause of the tardiness? Should I contact them, or is shipping normally a little slow with these guys?

It may have needed to be cast, and it's Christmas.

If you want to find out any info from a company, however, the absolutely worst thing to do is contact them. You should always drop a negative comment into an online forum instead.

This got me laughing. In the middle of waiting for a table at a restaurant no less.

CT GAMER wrote:I think this pic sums up nicely what is about to happen to Chapterhouse:

Chapterhouse wrote:LOL, didnt that certain monkey end up locked up in a small room after almost shooting himself in the head with a laser gun?

Only temporarily, poor Marky escapes from his nice ape dream only to find the particular Monkey he's been fighting is now revered as the greatest monkey president in the entire history of monkey presidents.

Monkey Lincoln:

Kilkrazy wrote:It may have needed to be cast, and it's Christmas.

If you want to find out any info from a company, however, the absolutely worst thing to do is contact them. You should always drop a negative comment into an online forum instead.

Lol. Well played.

OH we are in trouble now.. GW is Monkey Lincoln!?

Chapterhouse wrote:OH we are in trouble now.. GW is Monkey Lincoln!?

So your saying you need a Monkey John Wilkes Booth?

Chapterhouse wrote:OH we are in trouble now.. GW is Monkey Lincoln!?

APE Lincoln of course

They want to complain about CH products....but then include a photo of a Dark Angels Army with a CH shoulderpad?


http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=14700001a

Look at the DA photo at the bottom left of the page. The SGT is wearing the "Shoulder Pads for Deathwatch Ruinic - Tactical" from CH.

That's a good eye, Bullet Magnet - as far as I can see, you're right.

That is... odd.

Still, could be helpful, for... someone?

I bet as soon as GW notices...they will remove the photo....so it can't be used against them in their case.

Yeah, I'm not sure what, if any, impact this will have on the case, but it is funny.

Thats pretty funny actually..... so if even GW gets confused does that help GW

Yeah but....if they are so concerned over their IP...you would think they would be able to tell their products apart from others....

Well thats one of the points of the lawsuit....... people can't tell them apart. I just wonder if they will fire the employee for using ch parts on her models. That would be funny in one of those horrible funny ways. Maybe she even bought the entire army at a huge discount from ebay.... now that would be really messed up.

Darnit guys, Ive been trying to keep that on the down-low..

They did not even give us credit for our work on the GW site. Funnily that is something they are accusing us with according to the case documents.

Everyone save that webpage for later use.

Dude you should put that up on your front page with a logo that goes...... "Bits so good even the ass clowns at GW don't know the difference!"

Now I don't know if it would help your case or not but I would get a kick out of it.

If people are confused...then GW is doing the confusing.

"This command squad was converted using parts from the Dark Angels Veterans kit and the Space Marine Command Squad. The banner bearer is available to order and his banner can be found on page 58 of Codex: Dark Angels. Kristian has also used several parts from other kits, most notably the Empire Flagellants, from which he has taken the head and the back banner for his squad sergeant."

That would imply that the shoulderpad on the SGT could be found in one of the kits named in the article.

Wonder how long itll take for that picture to be removed (who here thinks they would credit us with the bit?).

I'm sure they will remove it as soon as one of their spies report to them on this thread.

Chapterhouse wrote:Wonder how long itll take for that picture to be removed (who here thinks they would credit us with the bit?).

You should file a countersuit and force them to acknowledge you companies contribution


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Bullet Magnet wrote:If people are confused...then GW is doing the confusing.

"This command squad was converted using parts from the Dark Angels Veterans kit and the Space Marine Command Squad. The banner bearer is available to order and his banner can be found on page 58 of Codex: Dark Angels. Kristian has also used several parts from other kits, most notably the Empire Flagellants, from which he has taken the head and the back banner for his squad sergeant."

That would imply that the shoulderpad on the SGT could be found in one of the kits named in the article.

Might want to bone up on your english...... that doesn't imply that at all. It would have to say only she used parts only from those kits for what you said to be true.

Ok OK...somebody COULD think they MAY get that pad in one of the GW kits.

Thanks for the lesson buddy.

spread right across the CH homepage:
*Picture of the GW photo and caption*
"EVEN GW USES OUR PRODUCTS!"
Do it!

Bullet Magnet wrote:Ok OK...somebody COULD think they MAY get that pad in one of the GW kits.

Thanks for the lesson buddy.

Hey I'm here to help you out...... and remember you would still have like only 4 posts if it wasn't for me