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The legs are the PA and TA Grey Knights are really, really small. Looks silly.

I'm surprised that no one freaked out over the fact that NWS are only 2++ in close combat. I know folks were saying they were OTT before.

That´s the only thing that pisses me of with this codex, 60-80p minis that die just as easy to shooting as the 40p SM terminator right next to them.

I’ve just seen the new Grey Knight models. While some of the models are ok the Dread Knight is a monstrosity, a horrid thing that looks more Ork than Imperial.

They totally ripped off the matrix thing. Kind of dorky looking but still cool. You figure they would shield such a valuable unit better. You really only need to kill the guy inside and it's useless. Which a MC could do pretty easily. Or a stray bullet to the head. The terminators are AMAZING IMO.

skycapt44 wrote:They totally ripped off the matrix thing. Kind of dorky looking but still cool. You figure they would shield such a valuable unit better. You really only need to kill the guy inside and it's useless. Which a MC could do pretty easily. Or a stray bullet to the head. The terminators are AMAZING IMO.

Yeah, because no one ever had an exosuit before the Matrix.

It has a energy field, iirc, surrounding the unit in Terminator Armor who is piloting it. That's pretty good protection, imho.

The Dreadknight is an asspull, but at least it's awesome.

Kanluwen wrote:The Dreadknight is an utter and complete work of crap. It does not fit with the Imperial aesthetic, nor does the Penitent Engine for that matter. They're half-assed attempts at creating something 'unique'--and all it pulls out is 'crap'.

Ah that's whats odd about it - its the curves. Yes, after being force fed the 'brickraven' this does look out of place. I'd be tempted to change the fists to the ones on the Ven. Dreadnought but it might be more fun to get the Dk kit and the Furioso one and combine them, replace the hands with the spikey clawed ones and keep the ranged weapons. Also look into using dreadnought shoulders or possibly the panions of space marine bikes. It's an interesting idea but yes it looks out of place.

I wonder how many people are working out how to give it two swords?

gr1m_dan wrote:Dread does look incredibly crap. IMO.

Some of the rules they have put up also sound horrible.

2+ / 5++ 2 Wounds AND FNP if an Apothecary is taken for Paladins. Weight of fire will bring these down but holy cow, that is tough!

Warding Stave - 2++ in combat!!?!!?!

These guys are going to be VERY nasty. I look forward to playing against them!!!

*gulp*

You pay their weight in gold, however. If my calcs are correct, you're looking at 360 points for 5 of them, 4 normal dudes and an Apothecary. A squad of 4 + Apo with special weapons and wargear brings you well over 400 points for just 5 dudes.

Aside from not matching any aesthetic in 40k, the dreadknight just doesn't make any sense. Why would a guy who was already inside a powered suit wear an even larger powered suit on top of that?

If i ever collect grey knights, i will be sticking a dread Sarc' ontop of the dreadknight, snipping off the dumb pistons and forever considering it to be a massive dreadnought rather than a dumb Amp suit. I think i prefer the old PAGK actually on closer inspection.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Draigo doesnt make them troops anymore?

oh you're right, I keep forgetting that the "25 model 2000pt army" is still doable XD

people complaining about it need to see some of the rest of the wargear options, nudge nudge wink wink

If you can't enjoy the simple pleasure of a dude in Terminator armour stomping around the battlefield in a giant powersuit mech, then I feel sorry for you.

asmith wrote:Aside from not matching any aesthetic in 40k, the dreadknight just doesn't make any sense. Why would a guy who was already inside a powered suit wear an even larger powered suit on top of that?

Did you read about it? What is the chance that a Term Arm model will win against a Blood Thirster? Okay, now what is the chance that an armor with a 2+/4+, S10 Daemonhammer and 4 wounds will win against a Blood Thirster? Ohhh, now we get it.

Why not just make a bigger suit, and have him just wear that?

That is what I said Greiver.

Please GW, next time you update a SM army...
SCULPT SOME NEW LEGS!!

Anyone have pricing? It's blocked where I am.

asmith wrote:Why not just make a bigger suit, and have him just wear that?

Now that's getting into TTGL territory.


....Now I want to convert a dreadknight with Kamina Glasses and a gigantic drill on one arm.

asmith wrote:Why not just make a bigger suit, and have him just wear that?

He is wearing the bigger suit. If you are asking, why both? I imagine if the big armor fails, you'd want to be able to eject without being unprotected.

I think the dreadknight should be piloting a reaver just to be safe...

The price is up in the US for the Dreadknight! $53.75

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1160010a

Foo wrote:If you can't enjoy the simple pleasure of a dude in Terminator armour stomping around the battlefield in a giant powersuit mech, then I feel sorry for you.

WIN

Those Paladins are somewhat tempting. Four boxes would be enough for a rather weak 1,850 point army: 15 Paladins, a converted Draigo, converted Librarian and 3 converted Techmarines.

pretre wrote:

asmith wrote:Aside from not matching any aesthetic in 40k, the dreadknight just doesn't make any sense. Why would a guy who was already inside a powered suit wear an even larger powered suit on top of that?

Did you read about it? What is the chance that a Term Arm model will win against a Blood Thirster? Okay, now what is the chance that an armor with a 2+/4+, S10 Daemonhammer and 4 wounds will win against a Blood Thirster? Ohhh, now we get it.

What is the chance that a Terminator equipped model will win against a Bloodthirster?

A pretty damned good one, considering the Grey Knights did it once on Armageddon. 100 Grey Knights fighting against dozens of Bloodthirsters, hordes of Bloodletters, and a freaking Daemon Primarch(Angron)--and the Grey Knights won.

Then, it happened again in Imperial Armour volume 7--when an Inquisitor wearing Terminator Armour killed a Bloodthirster who is supposedly one of Khorne's favored warriors.

So yeah. The Dreadknight is unnecessary.

The Dreadknight's pricing makes me weep.It's almost the same as a Land Raider, and 5 bucks more expensive than the comparable Trygon model. At least it's still better value than an Ork Deff Dread.

Don't have the time to check on all comments about the models on Page 12, but my comments:

Codex Cover Art: Great. Why isn't it hardback, though? Is this going to be a Fantasy-only thing?

Dreadknight: Loathe it. Reminds me of Dexter's Lab, the Robo-Basketball Episode, and that's not a good thing for 40K. I can't wait to see how GW says Space Marine Terminator Armor is now AV12, though.

Tactical Squad: So-so to minor dislike. Mostly irate at the huge sickle-magazines for the Storm Bolters, and the new appearance of the Psycannon. If I can file away / refrain from putting the magazines on their Storm Bolters, no real complaint.

Terminators: I was liking them, right up until I saw the dual-sword models. Yeah, no-dice for the Dual-Sword kit-out. If the kit doesn't require you to take at least one model that way, again not too bad / no real complaint. If you must take at least one that way, feth you GW.

Brother Captain / Grand Master: I feel the Storm Shield's a bit too high-detail, but that's something relatively easy to swap out / fix, in which case again no real complaint.

pretre wrote:

skycapt44 wrote:They totally ripped off the matrix thing. Kind of dorky looking but still cool. You figure they would shield such a valuable unit better. You really only need to kill the guy inside and it's useless. Which a MC could do pretty easily. Or a stray bullet to the head. The terminators are AMAZING IMO.

Yeah, because no one ever had an exosuit before the Matrix.

No I'm totally freaking out to know:

Will I be able to field a Radical Daemonhunters force?

Can I really fill Chimeras/Rhinos 10+/- with Death-Cultists, Crusaders and/or Daemonhosts?

Has the concept of Radical gone out the window, meaning that I can have Grey Knights with Death-Cultists and Daemonhosts?

I have plenty of henchmen & Inquisitor models as well as 12 IG Stormtroopers to use but are they just going to sit on the shelf and wait for a new Witch Hunters Codex?

LMAO what is this?



holy lol

MDizzle wrote:I think you are all are having a wack attack the Dreadknight looks Great IMHO. It's bit from Aliens ya know Ripley in the loader.I think it's freaking cool and you know that they will sell a ton of these so get used to seeing them.

That's true, but the scene from Aliens depicts a cargo handling machine pressed into service. It had several clearly identifiable problems, mainly some balance issues, speed, and an open cockpit that is kind of a drawback when fighting acid-blooded monsters at close range. The Dreadknight maintains at least one of these.

My Black Templar HQ squads, both Terminator and Powered Armor, will be sporting some bad-ass armor now. And my buddy that's starting a Grey Knight armor can have the left-over bits.

I shall be ordering the PA and Terminator boxes as soon as my favorite online supplier lists them for preorder.