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Will I be able to field a Radical Daemonhunters force?
yes

Can I really fill Chimeras/Rhinos 10+/- with Death-Cultists, Crusaders and/or Daemonhosts?
yes

Has the concept of Radical gone out the window, meaning that I can have Grey Knights with Death-Cultists and Daemonhosts?
There are no specific rules for this

I have plenty of henchmen & Inquisitor models as well as 12 IG Stormtroopers to use but are they just going to sit on the shelf and wait for a new Witch Hunters Codex?
I don't know, I can't tell the future nor am I your mom, it's up to you if you want to field them or not.

Kanluwen wrote:What is the chance that a Terminator equipped model will win against a Bloodthirster?

A pretty damned good one, considering the Grey Knights did it once on Armageddon. 100 Grey Knights fighting against dozens of Bloodthirsters, hordes of Bloodletters, and a freaking Daemon Primarch(Angron)--and the Grey Knights won.

Then, it happened again in Imperial Armour volume 7--when an Inquisitor wearing Terminator Armour killed a Bloodthirster who is supposedly one of Khorne's favored warriors.

So yeah. The Dreadknight is unnecessary.

I said A terminator equipped model. Not 1/10th of the Chapter. I haven't read the IA's, so good to know, An IC killed a BT. IC's kill BTs all the time, but we're talking rank and file using technology to do something that they can't do normally. You know, the whole point of technology.

The point is that it is safer/more effective. Have power armored models killed a BT before? Sure, see above. Does that mean that Terminator armor is unnecessary? Should we stop carrying meltaguns because lascannons can kill Land Raiders? No. It is just another tool that provides more and/or better options.

Just because you don't aesthetically like it, doesn't mean that others can't. It also doesn't mean that there aren't reasons for it to exist.

Foo wrote:If you can't enjoy the simple pleasure of a dude in Terminator armour stomping around the battlefield in a giant powersuit mech, then I feel sorry for you.

But I dont , because I know its such a Crap concept. Just make a Grey-knight Dreadnought not a freaking Grey Knight Optimus prime!

Lord Scythican wrote:

Therion wrote:

YES! He will be mine and I will name him Ghazzy. Just need to add a pirate hat.

So the Dreadknight is better now when instead of the Grey Knight you have a green Space Gorilla with a head the size of an oil barrel and atrophied legs strapped in the baby carriage? Or was it the two armor planks you are going to superglue on top of the shoulders? If only GW could've thought of that.

Oh yeah much better. Though I would like to think the official conversion will have more than a couple armour planks on the shoulders. They are called Mock ups for a reason.

Yes, it's much better. Why? Because orks are crazier than Charlie Sheen and like having their face exposed to show they're tougher than everyone else around even fi they've been welded into a metal chassis.

warboss wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:I find it interesting how many of the "Witch Hunters" HQ choices are suddenly available as "Grey Knights" HQ choices now, including the big walking chair, inquisitors on foot, etc. Check out that page at the website:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1140003&rootCatGameStyle=

according to the rumors from the leaked codex, they're all in the GK book now. you've got special and generic versions of all three =I= ordos in there so making the figs a part of their webstore makes sense.

Obviously they are in the book if they are selling them for GK now, I just thought it was interesting that they decided to make the "big walking chair" dingus available to GK and that inquisitors are still prominent in spite of many fan fears to the contrary in recent weeks. I also like the fact that all the Daemonhost, Death Cult Assassins, etc. are still there.

blood reaper wrote:

Foo wrote:If you can't enjoy the simple pleasure of a dude in Terminator armour stomping around the battlefield in a giant powersuit mech, then I feel sorry for you.

But I dont , because I know its such a Crap concept. Just make a Grey-knight Dreadnought not a freaking Grey Knight Optimus prime!

You're going on the list of sadness, mister.

It looks like the "pilot" on the DreadKnight can be removed. That makes me want to use it for its intended use: An Ork Def Dread. Or a big warboss.

Seems like the Dark Eldar plastics were the pinnacle of the GW design team. Too bad the same thought and skill hasn't been shown for the past few releases.

Once again I say why are there ANY metal models anymore?

BrassScorpion wrote:

shingouki wrote:i don't want to sound like a fanboy but whats with the semi hate towards the new gk stuff.

Just another day on the forum full of anger and acrimony, fabricated nonsense, and barmy conspiracy theories.

The internet mistakes vitriol for intelligence.

They're too busy flapping their mouths to understand that it isn't.

All the models, fluff, and rules look fine.

veritechc wrote:
Once again I say why are there ANY metal models anymore?

Metal is still more feasable than plastic for smaller models, such as special characters. However the Beastmaster and co were really uncalled for.

tldr wrote:Anyone else thinking what I'm thinking on that Dreadknight?

I was thinking more this:

My opinion:
1.) Termis and Draigo look very similar to the old Termis and Stern, almost no improvement but also no deterioration. Maybe a bit more modular. I like them but not more than the models I already own for several years.
2.) Didn't quite like the old standard GKs, the new ones are no improvement. Too large heads and too skinny thighs. Only the tabard makes them tolerable.
3.) Can't get over the baby carrier look, esp. as the Termi has big metal diapers. Stupid concept, stupid rules (monstrous creature???), stupid model. No way to save this via conversions. Waiting for small companies to make a completely different model of a closed medieval walker.

And can someone check Kanluwen's account, I suspect his account got hacked by a GW critical person

I will be building one of these armies. I like all of the models so far. As far as the Dreadknight goes, the only thing I can say is if you build it convert it. I plan on cutting off mechanisms holding the arms and adding armor to cover the greay knight controlling it. Shame on you GW shame on you.

If you want Captain Stern it's probably best to make a plastic conversion from the new Terminator and or existing Terminator sets. That way he'll be up to the current scale and you'll have something unique as well. I'm really getting away from spending $20 or more on single minis when that much money can buy a lot more in plastic sets. Except for the Inquisition stuff I've hoarded away for years thankfully at older prices, I'm going all plastic with actual Grey Knights.

pretre wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:What is the chance that a Terminator equipped model will win against a Bloodthirster?

A pretty damned good one, considering the Grey Knights did it once on Armageddon. 100 Grey Knights fighting against dozens of Bloodthirsters, hordes of Bloodletters, and a freaking Daemon Primarch(Angron)--and the Grey Knights won.

Then, it happened again in Imperial Armour volume 7--when an Inquisitor wearing Terminator Armour killed a Bloodthirster who is supposedly one of Khorne's favored warriors.

So yeah. The Dreadknight is unnecessary.

I said A terminator equipped model. Not 1/10th of the Chapter. I haven't read the IA's, so good to know, An IC killed a BT. IC's kill BTs all the time, but we're talking rank and file using technology to do something that they can't do normally. You know, the whole point of technology.

Sorry, "rank and file"?

In all incarnations previous--fluffwise, the Grey Knights were on par with the heroes of most Chapters. They're also trained from their indoctrination onward to fight Daemonic infestations.

This "one on one combat" idea of the Grey Knights having 'needed' it to go toe-to-toe with Bloodthirsters and other Greater Daemons needs to stop.

The point is that it is safer/more effective.

Yeah, strapping a guy into a giant walking target is "safer/more effective". How could I not have realized this before!

Have power armored models killed a BT before? Sure, see above. Does that mean that Terminator armor is unnecessary? Should we stop carrying meltaguns because lascannons can kill Land Raiders? No. It is just another tool that provides more and/or better options.

I'm sorry, you must have missed where this is an Imperial piece of tech. This isn't the Tau, who are "constantly producing newer and better variations on their previous technology".

This isn't even the Adeptus Mechanicus or Dark Mechanicus, who would likely graft a servitor/daemonic intelligence into this monstrosity.

Just because you don't aesthetically like it, doesn't mean that others can't. It also doesn't mean that there aren't reasons for it to exist.

I love how you pull out the "doesn't mean that others can't" card, like that will keep me from ragging on it.

It's a piece of crap. While it's clear high production values went into it once the design was finalized...

There's no reason, whatsoever, for it to exist. The design looks like something a kindergartner who was told to "create something to fight big monsters" would come up with, except worse.
Grey Knights had Dreadnoughts previously, they didn't need this feth-up added to their armory.

Kroothawk wrote:My opinion:
1.) Termis and Draigo look very similar to the old Termis and Stern, almost no improvement but also no deterioration. Maybe a bit more modular. I like them but not more than the models I already own for several years.
2.) Didn't quite like the old standard GKs, the new ones are no improvement. Too large heads and too skinny thighs. Only the tabard makes them tolerable.
3.) Can't get over the baby carrier look, esp. as the Termi has big metal diapers. Stupid concept, stupid rules (monstrous creature???), stupid model. No way to save this via conversions. Waiting for small companies to make a completely different model of a closed medieval walker.

And can someone check Kanluwen's account, I suspect his account got hacked by a GW critical person

I think point 1 is the most important thing - while the DE were screaming to get them off the shop shelf, even if you had an army already, the GK are just more of the same. Not really impressed, tbh, got a couple Terminators already and I do not see too much of an improvement.

I've just seen the miniatures on GW site.......what an anti climax.

I agree that the Termies are as "good" as they were before, so no real change there. However, the actual Grey Knights in standard armour.....what a let down. Why do these guys actually manage to look worse than standard Marines?

The sculptor ought to be shot, that or an eye test!

Will this make me want to buy? Nah, I'll give the GKs a big wide miss.......it's a relief really, more money for Corvus Belli et al.

@lord mortis: That should be the official dreadknight photo: classic

Alkasyn wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:My opinion:
1.) Termis and Draigo look very similar to the old Termis and Stern, almost no improvement but also no deterioration. Maybe a bit more modular. I like them but not more than the models I already own for several years.
2.) Didn't quite like the old standard GKs, the new ones are no improvement. Too large heads and too skinny thighs. Only the tabard makes them tolerable.
3.) Can't get over the baby carrier look, esp. as the Termi has big metal diapers. Stupid concept, stupid rules (monstrous creature???), stupid model. No way to save this via conversions. Waiting for small companies to make a completely different model of a closed medieval walker.

And can someone check Kanluwen's account, I suspect his account got hacked by a GW critical person

I think point 1 is the most important thing - while the DE were screaming to get them off the shop shelf, even if you had an army already, the GK are just more of the same. Not really impressed, tbh, got a couple Terminators already and I do not see too much of an improvement.

The difference is that Dark Eldar before looked like crap. They were Gary Morley sculpts, static, and suffered from Morley's well-known "hurr" posing.

The Grey Knights were pretty much the opposite, being (in my opinion at least) one of GW's best releases to date, in either plastic or metal. The plastics had a large shoe to fill.

Kanluwen wrote:In all incarnations previous--fluffwise, the Grey Knights were on par with the heroes of most Chapters. They're also trained from their indoctrination onward to fight Daemonic infestations.
This "one on one combat" idea of the Grey Knights having 'needed' it to go toe-to-toe with Bloodthirsters and other Greater Daemons needs to stop.
Yeah, strapping a guy into a giant walking target is "safer/more effective". How could I not have realized this before!

Okay... You feel pretty strongly about this. We'll have to agree to disagree. I suppose you'd say Knights and Titans are a bad idea, since they are walking targets as well?

Kanluwen wrote:I'm sorry, you must have missed where this is an Imperial piece of tech. This isn't the Tau, who are "constantly producing newer and better variations on their previous technology".

GW's Release Blurb wrote:First among equals, the Grey Knights utilise the very finest equipment that the Mechanicum of Mars have to offer, vehicles and weaponry so esoteric and rare that they are reserved exclusively for their use.

So, yes. They may have old or new tech that is different from what you are used to.

There's no reason, whatsoever, for it to exist. The design looks like something a kindergartner who was told to "create something to fight big monsters" would come up with, except worse. Grey Knights had Dreadnoughts previously, they didn't need this feth-up added to their armory.

Different roles. Also, some of us like that they make new models. We could still be playing with RT models, units and rules for the last 20/30 years.

blood reaper wrote:I’ve just seen the new Grey Knight models. While some of the models are ok the Dread Knight is a monstrosity, a horrid thing that looks more Tau than Imperial.

Fixed that for you.

I'm a Veteran Grey Knight player.

I like the DreadKnight, I'm buying three.

See ya.

Well I heard that Grey Knights woudl adding things from WH liek Arco-flagellants I just didn't believe it. Its like they stole half the models fromt eh current WH line and added it to the Grey Knights becuase they couldn't come up with anythign else. Its sad and annoying really. I'm speaking of priests, 1 of the 2 special characters, all the WH Inquisitor models, and arco-flagellants. What's up with that?

For me the models are uninspired. Comparing them to the Dark Eldar they fall far short. The only saving grace is that they are in plastic.

Its sad for me too. The Gray Knights are my favorite Space Marines. They should, each and every, one be epic. They are the best of the best, chosen from the exemplary to be humanities line against Chaos. Why do the modles not SHOW that.

I played the Daemons for two years. Fighting a gray Knight army was cake. Now I think the rules have swung too far the other way. The Grey Knights will eat a Daemon army for lunch.

Kanluwen wrote:The Grey Knights were pretty much the opposite, being (in my opinion at least) one of GW's best releases to date, in either plastic or metal. The plastics had a large shoe to fill.

They could have at least added another sprue to make it 27 pounds for 10 instead of 20 pounds for 5.

Deadshane1 wrote:I'm a Veteran Grey Knight player. I like the DreadKnight, I'm buying three. See ya.

Howard Johnson is right! (look it up kids, hint: start with Mel Brooks not the restaurant)
I mean I agree with Robert Shaw, no Quint, no...anyway, it's not their best model ever but it's certainly not the worst and I like it well enough to buy at least one, probably more over time.

evilsponge wrote:LMAO what is this?



holy lol

Insecticons.

Kroothawk wrote:My opinion:
1.) Termis and Draigo look very similar to the old Termis and Stern, almost no improvement but also no deterioration. Maybe a bit more modular. I like them but not more than the models I already own for several years.
2.) Didn't quite like the old standard GKs, the new ones are no improvement. Too large heads and too skinny thighs. Only the tabard makes them tolerable.
3.) Can't get over the baby carrier look, esp. as the Termi has big metal diapers. Stupid concept, stupid rules (monstrous creature???), stupid model. No way to save this via conversions. Waiting for small companies to make a completely different model of a closed medieval walker.

And can someone check Kanluwen's account, I suspect his account got hacked by a GW critical person

I kinda like the fact they blend in, but then again I always liked the old GKs.

The Dread knight looks like there's hope for it, but the legs need to be shortened (his proportions look more at home on a Wraithlord) and given a head. There is potential there, but having a baby carrier really killed the concept. Maybe a standard Dread sarcophagus and a MK4 head on it's shoulders would fix it?

And I thought Kan always worked for GW =P

I think what bugs me about the Dredknight is the long curvy legs that look like they should be wearing fishnet stockings...

If I put my hands over the pic so I can only see it from the waist up I can live with it.

So, what if you replace the model from the waist down with dreadnaught legs and redo the front so the drivers legs are not dangling out?

I think it it too tall/stretched out at the moment tbh, and it needs some of the blockiness of other marine models imho.

Then it would look more like a modified dreadnought and less like an "Avatar/powerloader/transformer".

And somehow the Nemesis Dreadnaught is worse than the Stormraven.

GJ GW!

Amaya wrote:And somehow the Nemesis Dreadnaught is worse than the Stormraven.

GJ GW!

it is almost like GW said "okay f*ckers you think the Storm raven is too blocky? Ok here is a nice bubbly, rounded piece of feth for you..."