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To Yakface:

Thank you very much for the updates on the rumors.

I will be placing my 3000 point Necron Raider Army (yes the all pewter ones that had the Terminator/Egyptian look to them) that I still win in competitive play back in my display case. It is not worth the chance of damaging them in game play to a codex like this (if the rumors are mostly correct).

Seems like the new revision of the Nercons will be an Almost... Almost as good as the newer MEQ Armies, and it will cost you money to get to that "Almost as good" status.

Worglock wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:And it appears Immortals will be getting the 'Plastic Stealth Suit' treatment - ie. they're already popular, but to further increase sales they'll make a completely new kit for them that doesn't match the old one, probably with new options that, again, won't be at all compatable with the old model. And they'll put 'em in a box of 5 and charge as much as a Tac Squad for 'em.

And it's a perfect sell. Make 'em Troops, make Warriors weaker, everyone goes to buy the stronger troops.

Selling Models > Better Game @ GW!

If by "popular" you mean "no one really plays the army at all" then yes, they're popular. Hugely popular.

I look forward to the teeming masses of army hoppers spending their money on Knee-Korns and then selling them off within weeks because the army is either sub-par or MNightWarded to the point that no one will play them.

There are quite a few Necron players down at my FLGS (3, possibly 4 and all regular customers). Immortals always make an appearance (of course along with the Nightbringer). I would hardly call them unpopular with Necron players given their current stats and firepower. Having to use a Railgun or a vindicator to make sure they don't get back up and blast you next turn is a pain for opponents.

As for immortals, I think a box of 3 or perhaps a box of 5 depending on how many options they have. Ideally I would be looking for a box of 10 but that seems like wishlisting.

Sasori wrote:

Maelstrom808 wrote:

Sasori wrote:

Maelstrom808 wrote:

ashikenshin wrote:I think scarabs got the biggest boost of all. A squad of 5 scarabs could potentially destroy a vehicle that didn't move the previous turn... in one assault.

Actually, just reread the scarabs rumor and apparently I missed the vehicle thing...nevermind what I said about disruption fields I still dislike the movement change. Until you get in charge range, you are still plodding along at 6" + d6" a turn. Though it will be nice though to see a swarm model in the game that people actually might fear.


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What are people's thoughts on using old and new Immortals? I have a unit of ten now and would probably add another unit of 10 new ones. how much of a fit would people throw over having both on the board when they will (probably) have two different base sizes?

I would say it would depend on the individual person. That's understandable right after release, but I think after a prolonged amount of time, it's either time to rebase them, or get some new models.

I wouldn't have a problem rebasing them, I'm just concerned about some beardy player trying to call them out as illegal since they wouldn't be on the bases they came with. Have to see what the new ones look like, but I really like my current ones.

Well, I wouldn't call the player beardy since technically it is against the rules, and will really depend on the player. I'd say it'd be a no no for any tournaments as well. You know your local gaming scene better than anyone, and should know the people you could test with.

Well, there is nothing actually illegal about using the old (current) models. Putting them on a 40mm base would be less advantageous to me than leaving them on a 25mm as they are not really built for assault (as far as we can tell..that could change in the new dex), so the only reason to actually call me out for switching them to a larger base(which has been done primarily for the other player's benefit) is to screw me out of using the unit at all...which is a beardy move imo.

Kevin949 wrote:

Maelstrom808 wrote:

ashikenshin wrote:I think scarabs got the biggest boost of all. A squad of 5 scarabs could potentially destroy a vehicle that didn't move the previous turn... in one assault.

Actually, just reread the scarabs rumor and apparently I missed the vehicle thing...nevermind what I said about disruption fields I still dislike the movement change. Until you get in charge range, you are still plodding along at 6" + d6" a turn. Though it will be nice though to see a swarm model in the game that people actually might fear.


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What are people's thoughts on using old and new Immortals? I have a unit of ten now and would probably add another unit of 10 new ones. how much of a fit would people throw over having both on the board when they will (probably) have two different base sizes?

Not to mention that they get WBB as well now. Also remembering that you can't think they're exactly the same as they are now with just some additions. I'm sure they're getting a stats change and other stuff too.

Actually I had already edited the original comment on scarabs to take WBB into consideration. On the stat changes, there is nothing in the rumors about them. Doesn't mean there will or will not be changes, but we have no info on it either way, so I can only comment on what's been rumored. All my feelings on these rumors are subject to change upon release of an actual dex

dancingcricket wrote:

However -
With cover saves, necrons will be less durable than they are currently
Without cover saves, necrons will be less durable than they are now
In hand to hand - necrons will be less durable than they are now, not taking power weapons and such into account.

Their price dropped 33%.

AgeOfEgos wrote:

dancingcricket wrote:

However -
With cover saves, necrons will be less durable than they are currently
Without cover saves, necrons will be less durable than they are now
In hand to hand - necrons will be less durable than they are now, not taking power weapons and such into account.

Their price dropped 33%.

What good is more of them if they still get wiped out if they are charged once? I guess it depends if you get to take the new WBB save before you factor in the combat resolution modifier, which could make a big difference.

RobPro wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:

dancingcricket wrote:

However -
With cover saves, necrons will be less durable than they are currently
Without cover saves, necrons will be less durable than they are now
In hand to hand - necrons will be less durable than they are now, not taking power weapons and such into account.

Their price dropped 33%.

What good is more of them if they still get wiped out if they are charged once?

Why would you assume to make Warrior units deeper with the savings? I find the idea of 40 Necron Warriors for 480 points quite daunting.

I'm really liking this new set of rumours! Call me bonkers, but I think their fluff needs a shake up. This is sounding like they are empowering the Necrons to be an independant race that can function by itself without the C'tan.

From what I'm hearing, some people wanted Codex: C'tan? With soo few C'tan currently around after them feeding on each other, doesn't it make sense the Necrontyr themselves now have more freedom? I'd like to see more focus on the Necrontyr themselves and how they function after being 'cursed' to functional immortality. The idea of the C'tan was interesting and cool, but should have stayed in the backround fluff, I feel it dominated the codex, Necrons as a race or entity of their own were stripped of any intelligence or decision making, made out to be brain dead zombies that the C'tan used like puppets to go on soul harvesting sprees.

As for the stats leaked here, until the everliving rule is expanded, the effect of monoliths or other vehicles resurrection expanded, and the res orb itself (and who can have it) is expanded, and the points costs of these vehicles and upgrades can be looked at, decrying your standard Necron warrior as obsolete or nerfed, is premature at best.

The negativity and unwillingness to even consider change to a fairly unestablished race is truely surprising for me. I liked that the fall of damnos gave the necrons themselves personality and I really hope this is expanded in the codex, even if it's at the expense of the cannibal star eaters getting pushed WAAAY into the backround, where I think they should have always been.

If they can take tesla weapons then gunline Warriors can probably put out enough shots to dampen any charge efforts against them, assuming Tesla weapons work the way Yakface detailed it. A squad of 30 warriors rapidfiring can potentially put out 89 S4 AP5 shots (unless the Tesla ability only works the first time around, and subsequent bonus hits do not generate more To Hit rolls, in which case it's gonna be only 80 shots). It also comes to a comfortable 360 points for 30 near-MEQ bodies. However this means that Warriors are exceptionally susceptable to Heavy Flamers and the kind. Hopefully Crypteks can

Sectiplave wrote:I'm really liking this new set of rumours! Call me bonkers, but I think their fluff needs a shake up. This is sounding like they are empowering the Necrons to be an independant race that can function by itself without the C'tan.
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The negativity and unwillingness to even consider change to a fairly unestablished race is truely surprising for me. I liked that the fall of damnos gave the necrons themselves personality and I really hope this is expanded in the codex, even if it's at the expense of the cannibal star eaters getting pushed WAAAY into the backround, where I think they should have always been.

Well, what bothers me is not that they go to the background. It's the complete retcon of a piece of fluff that I like that bothers me. The theory that the shards are the eaten-ones and not the 'big four' is cool, however, and I hope it will turn like that. But I also remember when the first rumors about GK appeared and nobody wanted to believe the sillyness of those... So, I don't know.

IMHO, the Necron Lords always had personnality, it was just that we had not enough sources to see it.

im standing by my fear. if matt ward is writing this dex, the fluff will stink (and no doubt be riddled with contradictions, holes and `just cause` explanations. the rules will be worse, and come relase we will see YMDC full of questions on how his random rules actually work. things like teleportation, and other things will create gross crazy combos leading to massive debate. plus, im still expecting them to get some sort of storm raven equivilant unit.

models will probally look decent, as latley the sculpting team at GW has done really impressive work (DE, TK, GK, and so on.)

but otherwise expect nothing short of bad from ward, creating an extremly OP dex, with tons of FAQ required to clean up his mess, and fluff that dosent make sense

If the Scarabs really work like Yak posted then that will be very unfortunate. Tracking which physical model in a given unit has lost it's armor is going to be obnoxious, will cause even more wound allocation issues, and is a step backwards for the game as a whole (like most of 5th ed)

Would be better off giving them a power that just lets them mark the unit and other 'crons can ignore their armor saves, since that's all the rule is really trying to do anyway.

I disagree with the Scarabs and tracking armor saves being aggravating. How many models are you going to have that have more than one wound in your army? It's not going to be a big issue for a most people. I'm assuming by "wound" they failed the armor save. If they just have to successfully roll to wound against you...then yeah, that could possibly be aggravating.
So far, these rumors are sounding really awesome if they turn out to be true. I know a few friends that would love these changes.

yakface wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Problem 1: Necron players already own a lot of Warriors.
Problem 2: The Necron Warrior box will not be recut as the return on investment would not be very high, so making the mould isn't worth it, so GW can't entice existing players with a new Warrior model.

Solution 1: Make Necron Warriors cheaper and weaker so you need more of them. Existing Necron players will need to buy more.
Solution 2: Make Scarabs even better than they are now. You can only get them in Warrior boxes, so existing Necron players will want to buy more.

Good to see GW once again starting (and ending) with how they can sell more models rather than making a better game...

Or perhaps they finally decided to make good on the basic concept of zombie undead robots in the way they always should have been?

Perhaps sometimes needing more models can actually result in a better game?

Or maybe even Necron players can use the existing they models they have and since they cost less points now, they'll have room in the army to field some of the (desperately needed) new variety of units?

But that requires players to buy more models and anything that does that is bad for the game by definition of course (and yes, that was sarcasm).




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Uriels_Flame wrote:
I also don't understand sweeping robots. I've played Necrons for a long time, and was miffed about having to actually take leadership tests last go round.

The unit phases out when they realize they're getting their butt handed to them in CC? Robots of all creatures should be able to process when its time to get the heck out of dodge, and the fluff behind them being to teleport out of battle when needed gives them the excuse to disappear off a battlefield when they get swept.

Good one!

Looks quite interesting, now for the tough decision.... Buy more now or wait for new models?

dzoid5000 wrote:Looks quite interesting, now for the tough decision.... Buy more now or wait for new models?

I bought a starter box to get my paint scheme going and get some basic warriors done.. i'll most likely pick up a monolith after that, too. Hopefully those won't change too much, but I'm really excited for all the other stuff, I told myself I'd play them if they ever got some more interesting stuff and now they should!

One thing I'm interested in is will the new WBB bring the model back to full wounds for scarabs, lords, spyders and possibly the crypteks or will it be up with one wound waiting for the lucky bolter to drop them again?

That also raises the notion: how have the lords been changed? Are they monsters in CC now or still slap fighters compared to other army HQ's?

I just sold my Necron army not long ago. And here goes GW. . .making me buy it again.

Here's hoping that immortals have had a serious price decrease. $30US for 5 (metal) or $25US for 10 (plastic); which seems to be GW's current standard.

Although I have about 1700 pts of necrons, I never could bring myself to pay $15/each for an immortal.

Swara wrote:I bought a starter box to get my paint scheme going and get some basic warriors done.. i'll most likely pick up a monolith after that, too. Hopefully those won't change too much, but I'm really excited for all the other stuff, I told myself I'd play them if they ever got some more interesting stuff and now they should!

Yea at the moment I have a starter box, a lord, 3 pariahs i got as a b'day present and another box of warriors, so with 40 warriors i think i am good to go with that for now and with them being cheaper points wise hopefully i will be fielding all of them instead of just half most the time.

clively wrote:Here's hoping that immortals have had a serious price decrease. $30US for 5 (metal) or $25US for 10 (plastic); which seems to be GW's current standard.

Although I have about 1700 pts of necrons, I never could bring myself to pay $15/each for an immortal.

The new ones are looking to be plastic. I'd expect close to plastic terminator pricing.

Maelstrom808 wrote:

clively wrote:Here's hoping that immortals have had a serious price decrease. $30US for 5 (metal) or $25US for 10 (plastic); which seems to be GW's current standard.

Although I have about 1700 pts of necrons, I never could bring myself to pay $15/each for an immortal.

The new ones are looking to be plastic. I'd expect close to plastic terminator pricing.

So five for fifty... still not great, but definitely better than current, which works out to five for sixty five. I think it should be be closer to forty for Terminators and Immortals, since there just isn't enough in the box to justify the price...

yakface wrote:17) In the new fluff it sounds like the C'Tan were mainly killed off by the Necrons (or something like that), so the C'Tan that you field in the game are just remaining shards of their power. They're naturally still a really mean Monstrous Creature who rocks in combat, but you can also purchase a bunch of different abilities. These abilities are in line with a lot of the things we've seen in the last few codexes, things like: messing around with Deep Striking enemy units, making enemies moving through terrain differently, and allowing the Necron player to change some of his deployment, etc. So it sounds like you have a lot of different options with the C'Tan that really mess with the enemy army and/or supplement your own. And they are not one per army (so you can have 3 if you want to use up all your Elites on them, although it sounds like the other Elites choices are pretty awesome as well).

*sigh*
The C'Tan were the entire reason I took up Necrons.

While I am sad to see the appearant move from Cthulu-mtyh to Egyptian-myth, the gameplay changes and new models sounds really exciting.

Any news regarding Tomb Stalkers and Pylons, will they be in the 'dex?

JoeyHeadwounds wrote:
So five for fifty... still not great, but definitely better than current, which works out to five for sixty five. I think it should be be closer to forty for Terminators and Immortals, since there just isn't enough in the box to justify the price...

Have to remember the pricing includes the store based empire GW are trying to maintain. I'd be interested in how many hundreds of stores they have world wide, the monthly bill must be staggering! I'd be the first to put my vote in for a reduction of physical stores in conjunction with a drop in product price, but that's not what gets the next generations hooked on plastic

But yes, for those who are still going to stick with the Necrons, I see many boxes of immortals in our future. I see no one has mentioned much about Wraiths yet, I see they are now Fearless, previous rumours stated their 3+/3++ was staying, I'm hoping for more rumours in regards to my favorite Necron unit, fingers crossed for unit size increasing and/or power weapons being an option.

Darkvoidof40k wrote:Combined with the HH stuff on the Dragon

Could you elaborate on this?

Sectiplave wrote:

JoeyHeadwounds wrote:
So five for fifty... still not great, but definitely better than current, which works out to five for sixty five. I think it should be be closer to forty for Terminators and Immortals, since there just isn't enough in the box to justify the price...

Have to remember the pricing includes the store based empire GW are trying to maintain. I'd be interested in how many hundreds of stores they have world wide, the monthly bill must be staggering! I'd be the first to put my vote in for a reduction of physical stores in conjunction with a drop in product price, but that's not what gets the next generations hooked on plastic

But yes, for those who are still going to stick with the Necrons, I see many boxes of immortals in our future. I see no one has mentioned much about Wraiths yet, I see they are now Fearless, previous rumours stated their 3+/3++ was staying, I'm hoping for more rumours in regards to my favorite Necron unit, fingers crossed for unit size increasing and/or power weapons being an option.

...and not screwing with their movement like what is rumored for the other fast units.

Kurgash wrote:One thing I'm interested in is will the new WBB bring the model back to full wounds for scarabs, lords, spyders and possibly the crypteks or will it be up with one wound waiting for the lucky bolter to drop them again?

I'd like to see wounded multi-wound models regenerate as well. Like, if they're hurt but not down, start healing wounds. If they're down, get back up with 1 wound, and then they start to regenerate as well, gradually healing if you don't put them back down.

Hmmm Interesting necrons are finally going to be cool again (:

Maelstrom808 wrote:...and not screwing with their movement like what is rumored for the other fast units.

Yes, I would like to see Wraithflight or a suitable equivalent in place still, I'm quite interested to see what happens to them, hopefully Yakface will leak more soon

Savis wrote:
Any news regarding Tomb Stalkers and Pylons, will they be in the 'dex?

Definitely no Pylon.

Unless the new walker is somehow secretly the Tomb Stalker (which it doesn't sound like it is), then I don't think the Tomb Stalker is in there either (although I'm not as certain on this one).