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I think a Statline with T4 abd a 4+ save makes sense. They are not supposed to be impossible to put down in the first place, the whoel point of a 'cron army is that even thoughthey go down, they don't always STAY down.

Think about it. If this rumour is true we get a (possibly) T4 model with a 4+ save and essentially a 5++ that you get to use even AFTER your armour save fails. All this for 12 points apparently? Yes please!

Also, whiel everyoen is debatign what the new units will or wont be, lets not forget the Tomb Stalker. I for one am hoping it is in the new codex so i can buy the model and actually use it in 40k games. I've held of on buying one so far as i hardly ever play games of Apoc.

I will definitly be buying a second monolith though. I've not read anything about the model being re-done but i woudl think taht if it is the price will most likely go up. I just wish they sold packs of scarabs separately. I'd buy a few straight away.

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

Kurgash wrote:One thing I'm interested in is will the new WBB bring the model back to full wounds for scarabs, lords, spyders and possibly the crypteks or will it be up with one wound waiting for the lucky bolter to drop them again?

I'd like to see wounded multi-wound models regenerate as well. Like, if they're hurt but not down, start healing wounds. If they're down, get back up with 1 wound, and then they start to regenerate as well, gradually healing if you don't put them back down.

Multi wound healing would be great but may get frustrating to keep track of. although it would put more emphasis on that unit, if you want it down wipe out the squad none of this ill take out half and hope for the best.

yakface wrote:

Savis wrote:
Any news regarding Tomb Stalkers and Pylons, will they be in the 'dex?

Definitely no Pylon.

Unless the new walker is somehow secretly the Tomb Stalker (which it doesn't sound like it is), then I don't think the Tomb Stalker is in there either (although I'm not as certain on this one).

That's really dissapointing. The Tomb Stalker is such a cool model, and it would have fit right in as Heavy Support choice. I never play Apoc, so I guess I won't be picking one up.

The multi wound thing could work.

You could apapt WBB as a case of roll <whenever you roll under the new rules> to replace missing wounds on models. For downed one-wound models this would get them back up, for multi wound models with 1 wound left, this would regenerate 1 wound.

All that on a 5+





Is it bad that we're re-writing a codex that hasn't even been released yet?

Thanks for all the rumors Yak, Any news on Wraiths please? They are my favorite units, plus i think we all want to know about them

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

Darkvoidof40k wrote:Combined with the HH stuff on the Dragon

Could you elaborate on this?

Sasori wrote:

yakface wrote:

Savis wrote:
Any news regarding Tomb Stalkers and Pylons, will they be in the 'dex?

Definitely no Pylon.

Unless the new walker is somehow secretly the Tomb Stalker (which it doesn't sound like it is), then I don't think the Tomb Stalker is in there either (although I'm not as certain on this one).

That's really dissapointing. The Tomb Stalker is such a cool model, and it would have fit right in as Heavy Support choice. I never play Apoc, so I guess I won't be picking one up.

I'm not too surprised personally; the Pylon could be a bit big for normal 40K whilst I can't recall GW transferring a FW model to normal gameplay; other than the Trygon. I would too have liked to have see the Tomb Stalker however.

My birthday is in a few days and this new batch of rumors were just what i needed to make me happy.

Thanks Yakface!!!

Now i'm waiting for GW to send me a present as well... in the form of an 'Incoming' e-mail maybe?

And I agree, I want to hear more about the Wraiths too. Also not much speculation or rumors about the Monolith so I assume it remains largely unchanged.

The real problem is, what the hell CAN I buy right now that would be a good safe bet? Im getting my late bday present from the wife, and was wanting to buy some Necron stuff....but uh....now I dont know what the hell I should get

Battleforce should be a safe bet. As are monoliths.

I've not heard any mention of Monoliths being redone and they're great units now and are rumoured to be even better in the new Codex, so that's definitely an option...

KingCracker wrote:The real problem is, what the hell CAN I buy right now that would be a good safe bet? Im getting my late bday present from the wife, and was wanting to buy some Necron stuff....but uh....now I dont know what the hell I should get

Warriors. Boxes upon boxes of Warriors. You can bet GW will recut the sprues and give us 10 cron boxes for the current price of 12 cron boxes come release date. And no scarabs.

Currently every model is still useful even Pariahs for crypteks perhaps. If you like the model you could well get them now. If any of the older rumours concerning the 'waves' are true holding off on immortals might be a safe bet? of all the rumoured stuff in wave one they seem to be the ones changing the most dramatically with even a base size up. I honestly can not remember all the rumours I think destroyers were also catting a plastic's box that let you make heavy's or normals or new options but with Yak's rumoured changes to destroyers it doesn't sit right in my head.

I agree with earlier posters that warriors will probably be resprued to 10 in a box but perhaps upgrades and cool stuff might be included there. The one thing my gut has no doubt is that the monolith will still be like it is now but that's my gut speaking!

KingCracker wrote:The real problem is, what the hell CAN I buy right now that would be a good safe bet? Im getting my late bday present from the wife, and was wanting to buy some Necron stuff....but uh....now I dont know what the hell I should get

As states above, based on the rumours i woudl buy battleforces, boxes of warriors and/or monolilths. But i woudl keep them unbuilt so that, whenthe new stuff is released, you have loads of conversion fodder if you need it.

i think there was a link earlier to turn normal warriors into Flayed ones or Immortals using some plasticard and a positive attitude.

Yak, where would you place this rumour? It was posted a few months ago.
Is it more accurate to the Elite jump infantry or the fast attack jetbikes?

New fast attack unit
Look kinda like flayed ones
They have an 18” charge with their special ability
Think jump infantry with special rules
5 per box

Weren't there rumors that the models for the necrons themselves were going to be redesigned to look less 'terminator' like? If so, i guess that is fine, but i just hope that the new models blend in well with the old ones that most of us already own.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Problem 1: Necron players already own a lot of Warriors.
Problem 2: The Necron Warrior box will not be recut as the return on investment would not be very high, so making the mould isn't worth it, so GW can't entice existing players with a new Warrior model.

Solution 1: Make Necron Warriors cheaper and weaker so you need more of them. Existing Necron players will need to buy more.
Solution 2: Make Scarabs even better than they are now. You can only get them in Warrior boxes, so existing Necron players will want to buy more.

Good to see GW once again starting (and ending) with how they can sell more models rather than making a better game...

Not like you H.B.M.C. but you missed out a solution.

Solution 3: Put different coloured plastic rods in the warriors box so those that want a new colour scheme out of the old 'cron players will have to buy loads more.

(That is unless GW provide the plastic rods as a seperate 'bitz pack')

For those that are thinking of buying now so to miss out on any price increase/start early, bear this in mind, you might like the new plastic rods better than green.

Thats if there are any new plastic rods?

For those that are thinking of buying now so to miss out on any price increase/start early, bear this in mind, you might like the new plastic rods better than green.

Yeah, but do you like them 10 - 60% more than the green ones? Remember the price increase on the Orc Warriors. In the US they went from 19 for $35 to 10 for $29 when the new Orc kits were released. Who knows how much the Necron Warriors will cost per model if and when they add other color rod options. Personally, if I really was that determined to have rods that aren't green, I'd buy up what Necron kits I can now as cheap as I could and then buy a pack or two of rods from Plastruct. The amount of color rods you can get for the money that way will likely not even come close to equalling the likely price increase on the Necrons that will come when they are revised.

That's really dissapointing. The Tomb Stalker is such a cool model, and it would have fit right in as Heavy Support choice. I never play Apoc, so I guess I won't be picking one up.

I'm not too surprised personally; the Pylon could be a bit big for normal 40K whilst I can't recall GW transferring a FW model to normal gameplay; other than the Trygon. I would too have liked to have see the Tomb Stalker however.

Didn't a lot of the new IG stuff come from FW? I could be totally wrong, but I thought they did.

ceorron wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Problem 1: Necron players already own a lot of Warriors.
Problem 2: The Necron Warrior box will not be recut as the return on investment would not be very high, so making the mould isn't worth it, so GW can't entice existing players with a new Warrior model.

Solution 1: Make Necron Warriors cheaper and weaker so you need more of them. Existing Necron players will need to buy more.
Solution 2: Make Scarabs even better than they are now. You can only get them in Warrior boxes, so existing Necron players will want to buy more.

Good to see GW once again starting (and ending) with how they can sell more models rather than making a better game...

Not like you H.B.M.C. but you missed out a solution.

Solution 3: Put different coloured plastic rods in the warriors box so those that want a new colour scheme out of the old 'cron players will have to buy loads more.

(That is unless GW provide the plastic rods as a seperate 'bitz pack')

For those that are thinking of buying now so to miss out on any price increase/start early, bear this in mind, you might like the new plastic rods better than green.

Thats if there are any new plastic rods?

The problem I see with the "new plastic rods" rumor is the Monolith as it makes use of a big power crystal, portal door, and gun rods all in the standard green acrylic.

I wonder if they would make those as bitz, or would people have to recast their own...

Didn't a lot of the new IG stuff come from FW? I could be totally wrong, but I thought they did.

A lot of the Leman Russ variant ideas and the Valkyrie were indeed originally Forge World.

BrassScorpion wrote:

Didn't a lot of the new IG stuff come from FW? I could be totally wrong, but I thought they did.

A lot of the Leman Russ variant ideas and the Valkyrie were indeed originally Forge World.

Then I guess it woulden't be too far of a stretch, with at least two codexs as precedent, to have the possibility of the Tomb Stalker in.

Sasori wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:

Didn't a lot of the new IG stuff come from FW? I could be totally wrong, but I thought they did.

A lot of the Leman Russ variant ideas and the Valkyrie were indeed originally Forge World.

Then I guess it woulden't be too far of a stretch, with at least two codexs as precedent, to have the possibility of the Tomb Stalker in.

Oh, I stand corrected then. Apologies.
Although, with the others they did release new kits for them...

I wonder if a plastic tomb Stalker kit would be cheaper that the FW one? I think the FW model is actually a pretty good price already.

It would, but there won't be one.
And you can the Stalker just fine in regular 40k.

You'd think that with the popularity of the Tomb Stalker, it'd be a shoe in for the new dex. They wouldn't even have to produce a Citadel kit for it for awhile...then again, what do I know.

Maelstrom808 wrote:You'd think that with the popularity of the Tomb Stalker, it'd be a shoe in for the new dex. They wouldn't even have to produce a Citadel kit for it for awhile...then again, what do I know.

Which is why it's not in.

Forge World and Games Workshop have, for awhile now, been delineating themselves in that Forge World doesn't really make models to 'gapfill' for the main codices. They can make units that fit into the codices. Don't ask why, I can't explain it. I think they're just trying to get rid of this idea that you have to buy Forge World stuff for your main book(Vendettas aside. That was more done because of the Elysian list in IA8).

So, technically, using a Tomb Stalker would have to be a house rule?

Arse.

Praxiss wrote:So, technically, using a Tomb Stalker would have to be a house rule?

Arse.

I think so, but who's going to argue with the Tomb Stalker? It's not broken in strength by any stretch, unless you're playing against Dark Eldar, whom it absolutely destroys with ease.

Praxiss wrote:So, technically, using a Tomb Stalker would have to be a house rule?

Arse.

No, because the Tomb Stalker's rules clearly state that it can be used as a Heavy Support in a Codex: Necron army.

It's like the 'Hazard' Suits. The rules are in Imperial Armour Apocalypse, but only because there's a formation to go alongside of it in there. The basic unit entry, however, explicitly states that it's a valid choice for a Codex: Tau Empire army.

Oh, ok then. I mgiht save up and grab one then.

Scarey Nerd wrote:

Praxiss wrote:So, technically, using a Tomb Stalker would have to be a house rule?

Arse.

I think so, but who's going to argue with the Tomb Stalker? It's not broken in strength by any stretch, unless you're playing against Dark Eldar, whom it absolutely destroys with ease.

Where can i find the stats? :O