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Good single models, terrible as units.
Looks like monopose resins will be the standard fare from now on, the new Ushabti are also monopose with different heads/arms.

Well, that's ... unfortunate.

Dancing grotesques and wracks in need of their first morning cup of coffee aren't really my thing. Good thing I never had any interest in them.

Sorry if you did.

http://www.paulsongames.com/catalog/item/7434381/8690730.htm

multi-pose resin alternative grotesques from paulson games
$20 each seemed expensive, but nowadays...

havent seen this posted but it is the apparent haemonculus

That looks... weird.... not sure about it at all. Like the wracks, meh on Grotesques. The lack of poses hurt otherwise very nice minis imo.

If the Wracks and Grotesques have almost the same poses, they might as well be metal models.

Oh wait.

dumbuket wrote:http://www.paulsongames.com/catalog/item/7434381/8690730.htm

multi-pose resin alternative grotesques from paulson games
$20 each seemed expensive, but nowadays...

Any chance of getting images 'in-thread?' Paulson is blocked from here.

Thanks.

Alphacerberus wrote:havent seen this posted but it is the apparent haemonculus

Yeah.
It's about 4 pages back or so.


Eric

Ah ok sorry about that it wasn't on the post title and didn't see the huge one at the bottom of that page xD only seen the tiny one

dumbuket wrote:http://www.paulsongames.com/catalog/item/7434381/8690730.htm

multi-pose resin alternative grotesques from paulson games
$20 each seemed expensive, but nowadays...

Those are actually pretty cool models. And their ball jointed in some places for some posin' fun....very usable as the "big guys" -hockey masks and all. I like how everyone jumps on each others bandwagons to a degree. Time to get out the hacksaw....and modify!

MightyG

Not impressed with the poses, but the models themselves look great. More than great, actually. Come on GW.... It's not enough to just get one thing right... Eveything coven related has a bad pose, it seems.

I'm guessing, despite the obvious detail, that Jes and Juan were not the ones sculpting the Haemonculi, Wracks or Grotesques... We're sure to find out once another of 'Jes' Notebook' interviews is posted concerning the models. I'm not put off with the poses for the wracks or the Haemonoculi...but the Grotesque? Please... more variety than just weapon swaps. Unless they are going for some Zombiesque posing.

I like them and if they are in resin you can reposes them easy. I did it with my Space Wolves in MK3. But please be happy that you are getting new stuff some are not so lucky.

I like the Wracks, but the incredibly static pose, and the fact that there only appears to be 2-3 variants, which aren't at all that different besides perhaps weapons, is a huge disappointment. The Grotesques are even worse - do they only have a SINGLE pose? They couldn't even give us TWO poses?

I will probably pick up 2 or 3 individual Wracks at the most, and do heavy conversion work. Looks like most of my Wracks will be conversions. I would have happily thrown down whatever obscene price GW would ask for 5-10 Wracks if they had even given us 3 DISTINCT, DYNAMIC poses. (Save me the trouble of converting. I put my Scourges conversion plans on hold in anticipation of the kit, and since that is in fact a very nice set with plenty of variety and poseability and options, I am going to pay the additional cost for GW box set, because it is very nicely done saves me trouble.

One or two DIFFERENT static/standing poses would be fine, if there was some variety. But there isn't, so I'm going to basically pass on these and make my own.

-C6

EDIT: Shameless plug for my own Wrack conversions, to give you an idea of what I'm talking about, over at the P&M Blogs:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/346110.page


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army310 wrote:I like them and if they are in resin you can reposes them easy. I did it with my Space Wolves in MK3. But please be happy that you are getting new stuff some are not so lucky.

I agree with you that these are nice looking, and that the new resin should in general make it easier to do conversions. That being said though, you can't quite repose the legs, since they are covered in the trenchcoat-skirt-like thing. And you couldn't really repose the torsos very much without significant sculpting work. This means that those who aren't very good modellers etc. are stuck with very static stock Wracks. This is a much bigger let-down for them. I can do conversion work, including sculpting, halfway decently, and I am just complaining because I am lazy

-C6

Popsicle wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Yet more pure sexual chocolate.

The Dark Eldar range is a winner across the board and I've yet to see a mini for this that I didn't like.

Accurately sums up my feelings. Heck, I'm starting an army of them, purely on account of the models. Amazing stuff.

I as well

Given that the only wracks I'd likely use are units of 4 in a venom with a haemonculus to place a webway portal, the lack of poses shouldn't be a huge problem...

Well if this is what we have to look forward to with finecr@p then count me out. I do not care if I can see every bit of detail on the flip flops the wracks are wearing, I want dynamic poses and a variety of models.

spaceelf wrote:Well if this is what we have to look forward to with finecr@p then count me out. I do not care if I can see every bit of detail on the flip flops the wracks are wearing, I want dynamic poses and a variety of models.

Finecast has nothing to do with the poses.

Eric

MagickalMemories wrote:Finecast has nothing to do with the poses.

It shouldn't, but keep in mind that different casting technologies do apply technical limits.


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I assumed from the messages from GW that Finecast is roughly similar to spin casting in capabilities so they can re-use masters, if not molds, somehow.

Ascalam wrote:Razorwing unofficially up

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1230010a

Its only 41.25? Why is it cheaper than the ravager?

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Razorwing unofficially up

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1230010a

Its only 41.25? Why is it cheaper than the ravager?

Because it is not as essential.

They show this gak, yet the prices are raised...

Having seen the wracks, I'm really glad I converted mine...

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Razorwing unofficially up

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1230010a

Its only 41.25? Why is it cheaper than the ravager?

You heard it on Dakka first, folks. The Razorwing is too cheap!

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Razorwing unofficially up

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1230010a

Its only 41.25? Why is it cheaper than the ravager?

it has less plastic in the kit than the ravager does.

lord_blackfang wrote:

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Razorwing unofficially up

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1230010a

Its only 41.25? Why is it cheaper than the ravager?

You heard it on Dakka first, folks. The Razorwing is too cheap!

Not what i was getting at. Not at all. But if it has less plastic than the ravager does that mean less pieces? Or does that say something about the size of it?

Nothing wrong with those Wracks and Grotesques but a very very great shame they weren't released as multipart plastics. Untold conversion opportunities would have been there for folks collecting Slaanesh chaos or inquisition or as stated earlier, mechanicus.

The limited static poses and difficulty in adding any poses due to the sculpts is a shame.

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:Not what i was getting at. Not at all. But if it has less plastic than the ravager does that mean less pieces? Or does that say something about the size of it?

It's basically one sprue with a one piece upper hull and another one with details.

Sprue of guns and missiles makes my lootedy instincts stir

It's about the same size as a ravager (slightly longer, and a fair bit wider, not as tall) , and a less complex kit as far as i can tell.

I imagine it's also aggressively priced, as everyone and their second cousin will be using ravagers in their lists, but likely not so many razorwings.

Andy Hall's quote on GW's anouncement about Citadel Finecast had this:

Andy Hall wrote:You should also make sure you pick up June's White Dwarf. In it I'll be discussing the new kits even further, and talking to such luminaries as 'Eavy Metal's Joe Tomaszewski about what it's like paint Citadel Finecast, as well as veteran miniatures designer Aly Morrison regarding what the future holds when sculpting for the new medium. To quote Aly: "In a way it will push us to try things we could never realise before; to add even more dynamism to the models." Being a hobbyist first and foremost, that's a very exciting thing for me to hear.

While I was excited about it finally being anounced and seeing what this material is like, they can't really get away with this last quote! Perhaps future sculpts will take advantage of being able to have more dynamic poses, but not these.

(Even though I think they're OK, and since I love the rest of the range, I'm happy enough with them)

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Razorwing unofficially up

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1230010a

Its only 41.25? Why is it cheaper than the ravager?

You heard it on Dakka first, folks. The Razorwing is too cheap!

Not what i was getting at. Not at all. But if it has less plastic than the ravager does that mean less pieces? Or does that say something about the size of it?

Its like comparing Vindicator to Rhinos. Vindi has quite A LOT of extra plastic , yet it looks barely noticeable in dimension compared to a Rhino.

Razorwing is just more efficient in using up the plastics. ( GW gets smart sometimes in efficiency , for example arachnispider )
and stupid at other times ( tomb stalker , tomb guards )

Here are some more comparison pictures, now including the Venom: