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I would even donate to PP to hire the lawyers, just to see GW get nailed with the IP hammer, karma is a bitch.

And by the way, yes all this and the pain engines are stolen from the crix range.

I think they look good... will reserve judgement until seeing more official pics (sounds like this coming week perhaps?).

It's awesome that these are coming out in June! I am very happy about planning to start DE now... end of June, there are new models for almost everything in the range!!

I also think these will convert up easier than a lot of people above are posting. I mean, look at them... you could put almost anything on them and have it blend in.

Particularly, shouldn't it be possible to simply point the arms up / various ways to mix up the feel of the unit of wracks? The torso is static, but they're pretty slow, so it makes sense.

Anyway, I'm happy about them, even if they're not up to the dynamic standard set by most of the DE releases, these guys aren't supposed to be exactly agile and it's awesome to have models for them coming out so much sooner than I'd expected.

xxvaderxx wrote:

I would even donate to PP to hire the lawyers, just to see GW get nailed with the IP hammer, karma is a bitch.

And by the way, yes all this and the pain engines are stolen from the crix range.

They don't even look the same. Get off your high horse.

Yes, please... let's keep this thread on-topic.

Also, I'm looking at the book right now, and the models look almost identical to the pics. I know I would've hoped for more varied and dynamic poses... but they are literally almost identical to the pics (for example, with the comment about the "kendo" pants- it's in the pic in the book as well).

I'm thinking arm and weapon swaps should go a long way towards varying up their look, though

Archonate wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:my gawd these are so much better than the grey knight's crap!

Good observation. They may have very limited and unimpressive poses, but they're a damn sight better looking than pretty much any Space Marine... My mind trying to figure out how to convert them for better poses. I need to just wait and see the kits...

The Mandrakes were similarly disappointing as models with massive coolness potential, struck down by the fact that they only have 3 different poses.

You can lean their torso's more forward, to give them a hunchback feeling,for the legs there isn't much you can do alas, or you have to entierly remove them and finc something adequet...

Mmh maybe with the Mandrakes legs?...,keeps de kimono style but with wider stances.

I planned on buting a battleforce, talos, and a venom (maybe razorwing) when they came out, but looks like im going 20 wracks, 5 grotesques (depending on price) and a haemonculus

One-pose Grotesques? Talk about dropping the ball...

On the other hand:

Foo wrote:

Oh. My. God.

Dark Mechanicus and their creations all in one go. Awesomesauce.

Razorwing unofficially up

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1230010a

H.B.M.C. wrote:Oh. My. God.

Dark Mechanicus and their creations all in one go. Awesomesauce.

Not really familiar with the Dark Mechanicus, but these are indeed very cool models, and remarkably similar to a unit of Wracks and Haemonculi (I'm not alleging that anyone copied anyone else). More importantly, the poses are more dynamic and varied than the official Wracks (and, obviously, the Grotesques).

Overall, I'm not surprised that the Wracks and Grotesques were done in resin rather than plastic. I guess we'll see them in plastic eventually, especially if their popularity as a unit matches the initial reactions I've seen (that also assumes that the DE sell well after the initial wave of popularity). I suspect a lot of people will be doing their own versions, given the high cost and lack of variety in the official models. I'm going back to look at basing Grotesques on plastic Rat Oges. I've found that WHFB Flagellants with DE bits (including the blank helmets) make pretty good Wracks.

Tailgunner wrote:Not really familiar with the Dark Mechanicus, but these are indeed very cool models, and remarkably similar to a unit of Wracks and Haemonculi (I'm not alleging that anyone copied anyone else). More importantly, the poses are more dynamic and varied than the official Wracks (and, obviously, the Grotesques).

I think these have been around a while longer, but I don't think that either company took any inspiration from one another. They're different enough to not be derivative.

Either way - I don't care. I need some Dark Mechanicus guys to help out my Heretek Magos, and these guys'll do nicely.

Tailgunner wrote:Overall, I'm not surprised that the Wracks and Grotesques were done in resin rather than plastic.

Neither am I. I am surprised that they went with a single pose only for the Grotesques, something that's meant to be taken in units. If anything they should have made them slightly smaller (they appear to be very tall) and made 3 poses, and put 'em in a box'o'three.

Wow. Those Wracks and Grotesques are... not sure if want

The sculpts look pretty good, very detailed and such... but pretty boring at the same time. I expected more variety. We've seen only a couple of pics, so I hope it will get a little better. But this doesn´t seem to be at the same level than the plastics.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Yet more pure sexual chocolate.

The Dark Eldar range is a winner across the board and I've yet to see a mini for this that I didn't like.

Accurately sums up my feelings. Heck, I'm starting an army of them, purely on account of the models. Amazing stuff.

Thrax wrote:They look ok, but they're all the same gaking poses, wtf? Why do they insist on still doing this? These aren't even like a unit people running a coven list will use sparingly, if people run them at all you're likely to see them in large numbers - all standing there, posed like choreographed zombies in various stages of doing the thriller.

Call me crazy but I think that might be intentional. Their fluff does kind of make them out to be like zombies, after all.

Judging from that pic there seem to be about three different sculpts (just in strikingly similar poses), not unlike the mandrakes. And considering we've had an idea that these would be metal (or resin) for some time I don't think anyone should really be all that surprised.

And really, what did you expect as far as poses went? Judging from the background for these things and the images in the codex, did you honestly expect these things to be acrobatic and all posed like god-damned ninjas? Because -I- expected a creepy zombie-horde feel, guys who slowly march toward you, shrugging off wounds that would kill most other things without reacting or appearing to be in any physical pain, and that's exactly what was delivered. I personally think they would look ridiculous if they were posed like Lelith or the wyches. Out of all the things GW could produce in limited poses, the wracks make the most sense to me. They're the one unit in a DE army that I could see looking rather static.

The grotesques on the other hand, I'll agree that one freaking pose isn't really enough. You'd think they would have given us at least TWO options, but no, every single grotesque will look exactly the same.

Anyway, I would have liked a little more variety I guess, in both the wracks and grotesques, but GW has the opportunity to release more variants later if they want, or use this as an excuse to make them plastic next time. Sucks if you want a billion different poses right the feth now, but considering how generous they've been with all the plastic kits for DE (well-deserved after a decade I'd say), I'd say we should at least be thankful there even IS a model for them, because consider the alternative: more than a year after their codex release and Tyranids are still missing essential kits like the tervigon, tyrannofex, harpy, mycetic spore, several characters and other options for existing models like warriors, whereas damn near the entire Dark Eldar range has been made available to us, most of them in plastic, in a little over 6-7 months time, with the only real gripes being that the metal models don't have enough poses, and that we only get one of each special weapon in our plastic kits (because the fact that all the upgrades are represented in some way isn't good enough). And don't forget that Dark Eldar was a huge risk for GW to take in the first place.

Not trying to be an "apologist" here, I'm as pissed off at GW as everyone else is, I just defend them when it seems appropriate. Rest assured they won't be worth what GW will ask for them, but I think the sculpts are pretty good.

LunaHound wrote:1) Enough with the awkward bare feet. Ok so Lelith has barefeet but i guess thats fine because shes so agile , but it looks ridiculous on these guys.

I think the reason why Lelith being barefoot is acceptable is because she's female, judging purely from creepy posts I've read in other DE threads. Seems most people want their women naked and their men covered completely in plate armor, because for some odd reason they've oversexualized their miniatures hobby and a single exposed inch of skin (that doesn't belong to their bald, screaming heads) is enough to make them question their sexualities, hence why it's so "awkward" for them to look at.

And ironically I post this in response to a woman, but I think the point still stands . I don't think people are being that "gender-equal" when it comes to the "awkward bare feet"...it's okay for female wyches and hellions, apparently, but baaaad for everything with a penis. Assuming these damn things even have them anymore.

Anyway, personally, I don't give a crap either way. Considering these things are basically zombie-like monsters I don't find anything wrong with how they're dressed, nor would I if they were all wearing plate-armored boots. Not sure why being barefoot "looks ridiculous" on them, or why it's any more "awkward" than the bare chest with tubes and metal and other apparatuses stitched into it.

And if bare feet are so "awkward", then what the hell do you call the literally half-naked dudes in loinclothes who only have their feet and junk covered? It's like "Yeah, okay, we don't care if we can see their finely chiseled abs and smooth, silky legs, and that the only thing separating me from their genitals is a thin piece of cloth...but if their feet are showing that's just too much!"


...so yeah, that was my novel.

Its awkward because the Absolute Territory on the those guys feet looks SO WEIRD.

aesthetically speaking, they have a nice flow of energy going down by the black hakama, going straight downwards
which make their stance looks deep rooted into the ground.

but NO! there is that bare feet, suddenly it just breaks / halts / interrupts the feel of it.

Well, I for one like bare feet in the miniatures range. For one thing, Romeo of Battlefoam has some kind of psychotic anti-foot-fetish, and it's amusing to listen to him mewl about it on 40k Radio.

The Grotesques are a disgrace, the Wracks are passable.

Sidstyler wrote:

Thrax wrote:They look ok, but they're all the same gaking poses, wtf? Why do they insist on still doing this? These aren't even like a unit people running a coven list will use sparingly, if people run them at all you're likely to see them in large numbers - all standing there, posed like choreographed zombies in various stages of doing the thriller.

Call me crazy but I think that might be intentional. Their fluff does kind of make them out to be like zombies, after all.

Judging from that pic there seem to be about three different sculpts (just in strikingly similar poses), not unlike the mandrakes. And considering we've had an idea that these would be metal (or resin) for some time I don't think anyone should really be all that surprised.

And really, what did you expect as far as poses went? Judging from the background for these things and the images in the codex, did you honestly expect these things to be acrobatic and all posed like god-damned ninjas? Because -I- expected a creepy zombie-horde feel, guys who slowly march toward you, shrugging off wounds that would kill most other things without reacting or appearing to be in any physical pain, and that's exactly what was delivered. I personally think they would look ridiculous if they were posed like Lelith or the wyches. Out of all the things GW could produce in limited poses, the wracks make the most sense to me. They're the one unit in a DE army that I could see looking rather static.

The grotesques on the other hand, I'll agree that one freaking pose isn't really enough. You'd think they would have given us at least TWO options, but no, every single grotesque will look exactly the same.

Anyway, I would have liked a little more variety I guess, in both the wracks and grotesques, but GW has the opportunity to release more variants later if they want, or use this as an excuse to make them plastic next time. Sucks if you want a billion different poses right the feth now, but considering how generous they've been with all the plastic kits for DE (well-deserved after a decade I'd say), I'd say we should at least be thankful there even IS a model for them, because consider the alternative: more than a year after their codex release and Tyranids are still missing essential kits like the tervigon, tyrannofex, harpy, mycetic spore, several characters and other options for existing models like warriors, whereas damn near the entire Dark Eldar range has been made available to us, most of them in plastic, in a little over 6-7 months time, with the only real gripes being that the metal models don't have enough poses, and that we only get one of each special weapon in our plastic kits (because the fact that all the upgrades are represented in some way isn't good enough). And don't forget that Dark Eldar was a huge risk for GW to take in the first place.

Not trying to be an "apologist" here, I'm as pissed off at GW as everyone else is, I just defend them when it seems appropriate. Rest assured they won't be worth what GW will ask for them, but I think the sculpts are pretty good.

LunaHound wrote:1) Enough with the awkward bare feet. Ok so Lelith has barefeet but i guess thats fine because shes so agile , but it looks ridiculous on these guys.

I think the reason why Lelith being barefoot is acceptable is because she's female, judging purely from creepy posts I've read in other DE threads. Seems most people want their women naked and their men covered completely in plate armor, because for some odd reason they've oversexualized their miniatures hobby and a single exposed inch of skin (that doesn't belong to their bald, screaming heads) is enough to make them question their sexualities, hence why it's so "awkward" for them to look at.

And ironically I post this in response to a woman, but I think the point still stands . I don't think people are being that "gender-equal" when it comes to the "awkward bare feet"...it's okay for female wyches and hellions, apparently, but baaaad for everything with a penis. Assuming these damn things even have them anymore.

Anyway, personally, I don't give a crap either way. Considering these things are basically zombie-like monsters I don't find anything wrong with how they're dressed, nor would I if they were all wearing plate-armored boots. Not sure why being barefoot "looks ridiculous" on them, or why it's any more "awkward" than the bare chest with tubes and metal and other apparatuses stitched into it.

And if bare feet are so "awkward", then what the hell do you call the literally half-naked dudes in loinclothes who only have their feet and junk covered? It's like "Yeah, okay, we don't care if we can see their finely chiseled abs and smooth, silky legs, and that the only thing separating me from their genitals is a thin piece of cloth...but if their feet are showing that's just too much!"


...so yeah, that was my novel.

To be fair, we dark eldar players waited for years, as the tongue in cheek joke of the hobby when it came to an eventual release date. We played with models that honestly were total gak to begin with, complete with characters that were named parodies of disney characters (Cruellagh I'm looking at you) and most of the dark eldar players I know anyways, were pretty good sports about it all for the most part. Now fast forward to the past year, and we get nothing short of an amazing, jaw dropping line of models that exceeded just about everyone's expectations in so many ways. GW releases it in a trickle to get us through the year and we get to the end where the much-hyped haemonculi covens are released. After seeing the Talos I was completely stoked for Wracks and even in the gakstorm we are in now with all of the shenanigans going on with GW, I still considered making the wracks my last purchase of the year from GW.

Problem is, and yes, it's great we've got the models now - I understand and agree with you there - but they're naturally somewhat of a letdown when you look at all of the potential Jes has put forward on everything else. We've been blown away for the last 6-8 months by these incredibly artistic poses and all of the excellent kitbashing potential of the kits thus far. If they'd released these as plastics we'd have been instantly overjoyed and able to pose them however we like - and customize them so much easier as befitting a haemonculi coven. So ok, they're resin, that's fine that there's only a few poses - again not unexpected no argument from me there, but the primary issue I have with these is that they're basically all identical poses, and they're very uninteresting/uninspiring ones at that. Ok, so creepy zombie march, good I get that too - and if that's what these said to me when I looked at them, I'd be fine with that. Unfortunately, when I look at these things, they just look like they're literally standing there, ankles together, waiting to be shot. Who knows, maybe in 3D we'll all be blown out of our seats by them - but these first pics are a pretty dismal showing of what would have been the centerpiece of many dark eldar armies if they'd only not been held back by the nature of the kits. All of that said, they could be worse - they could have not even made them - we all understand the logic there - but when everything else was so amazing, it's just crappy that these didn't hold up as well.

Personally, the bare feet thing is fine with me, whatever - it's not immasculine or anything in my eyes - in fact I hadn't even thought about it before reading your post referencing the others - but thinking on it now, I do think it's just slightly odd that on a battlefield with all of the hazards that could incapacitate/ruin an unprotected foot, they'd not have some kind of boot - but whatever, I could care less - that, in the grand scheme of things is, to me, splitting hairs. There's really nothing stopping people from greenstuffing some on there anyways.

Well that's the thing though, of all the units in a Dark Eldar army, the wracks are the ones who are the least likely to give a damn if they step on broken glass. Probably wouldn't even know if htey had...and might enjoy it if they did anyway.

I'm just saying, personally I think helmet-less Marines, Guardsmen etc. are far more ridiculous than what's shown here, because they're the ones who really need the protection. The wracks are just there to get shot and probably chop stuff up, whether they live or die is of no consequence to their cruel haemonculi masters; they can always just get new ones.

I can't argue with your logic on the wracks not giving a rip about shoes. I just wish the dang things looked like they were doing -something- on the battlefield. Even if it was just one pose with the guy aiming the liquefier gun, cool, that'd be enough to at least make it look like the unit wasn't waiting at the bus stop for the next raider - we could swap that hand out for him swinging a sword - but meh...I guess we'll see what happens when they get here.


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The way their arms are with their feet so close together, almost makes them look like they're walking a balance beam or something.

Yeah, I agree. It doesn't really bother me that they're so static but I think you're right in that the models probably would have looked much better if they had just a little more variance to them.

I think the wracks look pretty cool individually, but they're not really feasible as a unit given the lack of diversity. The grotesques are very disappointing. Not that I'd give a penny to GW even if they were both awesome.

At least we have models for them, i'm thinking some of the smaller arms from the talos might be good for making these minis more varied. Have to wait and see,

Thrax wrote:I can't argue with your logic on the wracks not giving a rip about shoes. I just wish the dang things looked like they were doing -something- on the battlefield. Even if it was just one pose with the guy aiming the liquefier gun, cool, that'd be enough to at least make it look like the unit wasn't waiting at the bus stop for the next raider - we could swap that hand out for him swinging a sword - but meh...I guess we'll see what happens when they get here.


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The way their arms are with their feet so close together, almost makes them look like they're walking a balance beam or something.

I agree on the arm comment but I am sure the arm's will be adjustable somewhat! I do not expect the models to be one piece, I also had the whole zombie ish idea in my head but even then I was expecting maybe a walking pose or something or legs apart? standing up straight like that just feels extremely undynamic and even undynamic fluff wise units do not stand like that normally from what I recall. Also on the grots I think its a cool pose but what were they thinking producing a single pose like that? MADNESS!

Just to let everyone know:- what's being referred to as 'Kendo pants' are actually called 'Hakama'.

I want a not-Batwing for airbrushing practice...

Anyone notice how much the PP and GW wracks/cryx look like Cenobites?

Yes it's almost as if certain design archetypes exist and influence concept artists responsible for the designs...

It is a real shame about the monoposes. The DE range has been really nice up to this point but a few misses for all those hits is to be expected I guess.

AvatarForm wrote:I want a not-Batwing for airbrushing practice...

Anyone notice how much the PP and GW wracks/cryx look like Cenobites?

What's wrong with that? I think it's EPIC.

Ketara wrote:Just to let everyone know:- what's being referred to as 'Kendo pants' are actually called 'Hakama'.

But as the Wracks also wear the Kendo masks, calling them Kendo pants is appropriate.

BTW All Haemunculi "lend" from a SciFi/Horror stereotype (cruel black leather fetishists) also found in Rackham Dirz, Star Trek Remulans (movie version), Harkonnen (first movie version), Hellraiser, and several other SciFi movies whose name I forgot.

@Xelkireth: Never saw Hellraiser, but the one on the right looks like Nemesis from Resident Evil.

Totaly forgot about those Cryx models. They'd make awesome medics for my Traitor Guard.

Anung Un Rama wrote:@Xelkireth: Never saw Hellraiser, but the one on the right looks like Nemesis from Resident Evil.

Totaly forgot about those Cryx models. They'd make awesome medics for my Traitor Guard.

WWWWHHHHHHAAAAAATTTTTTT??????!!!!!!!!

Seriously... If you like old horror cult classics, Hellraiser is a must.



Oh! And so is Wishmaster!

Xelkireth wrote:Oh! And so is Wishmaster!

Maybe the first one, but after that it's just a repeat of different ways we can end it exactly like the first.

OT: I like the Wracks, but I think I'll find something else to use as Grotesques.