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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Has anyone found any value what so ever in our Venerable Contemptor? I mean for the cost, it's a VERY cheap crappy Telemon. It hit's at S14 flat 3d 4 times and has a multi melta, for basically half the cost of a Telemon. We could take three and let them run around and go nuts and for little investment, not like 3 telemons which is half your points. I really want to find a good use for them, as I feel like they are looked at as trash, only in comparrison to their FW brothers.

It's just the problem of for 5-15pts more why would you ever not take the FW contemptors? The achillus has much better damage output, the gallatus has much better toughness and they both get the native -1 to incoming damage which for some reason the venerable doesn't get.

And if we're going rule of cool, well, just look at the FW contemptors! They look so much better than the venerable contemptor.

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All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
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Because despite being 40, happily married, and possessing a garden with many varietals of rare plants, I have not discovered the secret to making obscene amounts of money that I can frivilously spend on plastic dolls without getting a lecture from the better half. I would sooner go to a casting website than make a FW purchase.

I know FW is better. My question was literally has anyone found any success in the Plastic members of our Dreadnaught family?
   
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Because despite being 40, happily married, and possessing a garden with many varietals of rare plants, I have not discovered the secret to making obscene amounts of money that I can frivilously spend on plastic dolls without getting a lecture from the better half. I would sooner go to a casting website than make a FW purchase.

Tbf, I've never bought any of my Custodes from Forgeworld directly, just kept my nose to the ground on ebay and Facebook marketplace, think I got my gallatus for £45 and my Telemon for £50/60? Still expensive but better.
Could always convert them?
I know FW is better. My question was literally has anyone found any success in the Plastic members of our Dreadnaught family?

Guess you'll just have to be the pathfinder for us cause I don't know of any Custodes player that runs the Contemptor besides people who have just started Custodes.

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 Marmatag wrote:
All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so f***ing what." - Stephen Fry
 
   
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I was seeing a bit of potential in Ven Dreads for similar reasons to you. I have one of each FW dread and two plastic contemptors that I like to run all at the same time. Not many people expect the skew and the FW dreads take all the aggro. At 10 W they can run interference for Trajan and a Vex, making for neat Dreadnaught ball of death. It falls down currently because we have no way of healing them like the really competitive armies. They have all the stats IMO, just gotta make em fit. I was using a Vanguard detachment with no troops, then TSons came out and I realized I can’t really score primaries without some form of chaff, or as I said, being able to possibly regenerate something mid game.
   
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If you or someone you know has a 3d printer, you could get a Telemon/Galatus/whatever by that route. I'd swear I've seen at least one free STL file for a Telemon somewhere. It won't look exactly like the FW one because of copyright reasons, but if it's the right size it could be a great "counts-as".

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So I have a Printer, the only problem is, creating the supports for a FW dread in any type of pose usually takes longer than the entire print. And the print for the Telemon I did last year was 28 hours. Non-resin printing is a LOT of work if you are not an expert splicer.
   
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So i've finished building and painting a group of 9 Venatari with Pistol and Buckler.

What is your ideal way to run those models?
1x6?
1x5?
1x5 and 1x4?
1x6 and 1x3?

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Denison, Iowa

I would depend on how you plan to use them. Many people tell you that 5 man is the best, but I like the 6 man unit myself.
   
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You have to worry about blast, so I'd go 3x3. That way you can grab Objectives as needed, and zip around hunting strays. But there are members here who practically main Venetari, so their experience would be of greater use to you.
   
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At least one unit of 5 venatari is really hard to pass up imo, simply because you want to use superior firing patterns on them every turn, which offers more efficiency with a larger squad.
   
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It really depends on what you want from the unit.

If you are using them as a major form of damage output, go 6 or 5 (this is mostly based on points).
Avoiding blast is nice, but hardly a meta issue, as having the extra body and shots will make up for the one unit that gets min 3 hits against you.

To me, using 5 is mostly for cheaper veterans of the blood games when they deep strike (so better against high toughness armies).

Using 3 x 3 units is great for scoring, and i'd go lances if you do this. You loose a bit of durability, but they are excellent harrasser units.

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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Because despite being 40, happily married, and possessing a garden with many varietals of rare plants, I have not discovered the secret to making obscene amounts of money that I can frivilously spend on plastic dolls without getting a lecture from the better half. I would sooner go to a casting website than make a FW purchase.

I know FW is better. My question was literally has anyone found any success in the Plastic members of our Dreadnaught family?


I just had to let you know that this post made me laugh-out-loud. I couldn't possibly agree more with you :-)

If you like, you could go my route and pay a company to 3d print you some absolutely excellent FW proxies. Obviously, I can't use them in "official" tournaments (although I have now had multiple people tell me that they can't actually tell them apart from the real thing...) but the cost I paid from my printing service was $15 a pop. Which, honestly, is pretty frikkin amazing. I got two copies of each and couldn't be happier with them!
   
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Denison, Iowa

There is always the option to kit bash. I once saw a plastic Contemptor with the gun arm cut and spliced with a different kit's close combat arm and holding a kitbashed spear. I think they may have used the Dreadknight's fist for that.
   
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Look, without getting off topic, I got yelled at because I bought a box of Assault Intercessors. Point is, you can't really field a competitive 2k list of Custodes without A, breaking some copyright laws, or B, playing a bunch of counts as. I wanted to think that our Venerable Contemptors weren't as bad as everyone makes out, and they might even be possibly viable. Obviously compared to the FW line of Dreadnaughts, they are severely lacking. But they aren't Wyrdvane Psykers levels of bad...
   
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Look, without getting off topic, I got yelled at because I bought a box of Assault Intercessors. Point is, you can't really field a competitive 2k list of Custodes without A, breaking some copyright laws, or B, playing a bunch of counts as. I wanted to think that our Venerable Contemptors weren't as bad as everyone makes out, and they might even be possibly viable. Obviously compared to the FW line of Dreadnaughts, they are severely lacking. But they aren't Wyrdvane Psykers levels of bad...


Sorry to hear that man, honestly. Do you play in a very competitive meta or on tournaments regularly? Because if not, you could just play the plastic contemptor as a Galatus/achillus to try them out, if you don't want to or can't get them currently. I think no decent person would mind.

As for the the venerable Contemptor himself. He's really not bad, the main problem imo is that he still (at least last I checked) does not have the - 1dmg rule all other dreadnoughts have, which makes him quite a bit worse than our other dreadnoughts.
But the plastic contemptor has good combat and a multi melta, which is always a nice thing.

Maybe if you don't want to proxy the plastic contemptor for an achillus/galatus, you could just houserule him to actually have the - 1 dmg rule (which he genuinely should have anyway). Would give the unit quite a big boost and make him way more appealing....well at least gameplay wise, it's still such an atrociously ugly model.

Edit: the plastic contemptor also has one fewer attacks than the galatus/achillus, which isn't too bad since you can bump him to 5 attacks with eternal penitent....just not quite as good as the FW variants.

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The issue I think is basing. FW has variant base sizes than other Naughts. I think it's 60 for the Venerable, and 70 for the Galatus? Please tell me if I'm wrong.
   
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
The issue I think is basing. FW has variant base sizes than other Naughts. I think it's 60 for the Venerable, and 70 for the Galatus? Please tell me if I'm wrong.

All my Achillus and Galatus came with 60mm bases.
   
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Beaverton OR

Yeah, I did a bit of net research to find out the base size for the Achillus and Galatus proxies I printed, and I didn't find anywhere that contradicted the 60mm size.
   
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Denison, Iowa

FW is rather....inconsistent when it comes to what base they send any particular model with. I purchased 9 Aquilon terminators and they all came with 40mm bases, although apparently the vast majority of people get 50mm bases.
   
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Aquilon normally come with 50mm bases and the Galatus/Achillus with 60mm bases. Telemon has a 100mm base.
   
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Thank you, I will get to work changing my Ven into a counts as Galatus. I feel like that won't be hard to kit bash, a big shield and a big sword.
   
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Beaverton OR

Honestly, it might even look better than the current Galatus! (Not my favorite model.)
   
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Having trouble finding a big enought shield, although it was relatively easy to use a Nemesis Dreadknight sword for a stand in. Should arrive in 2-3 weeks. I'm wondering if I just take a hull plate off a rhino, and cut it into like a shield-esque shape, which Rhino Aquilon would look best? SoS? they have the closest iconograpy.

Other questions: For Tactics are we better running full bike squads of HBs or missiles for basic pickup games? I feel like HBs are much more take all comers.

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Beaverton OR


I got you!

1) Go to etsy

2) look up something like: "shield bitz"

3) Find a few you like, don't worry: there will be plenty!

4) find a seller that sells ones you like and lives in a country whose language you speak (this will come up in the next part.)

5) Private message them about the shield bitz you like, and tell them you want to have the shield scaled for a dreadnought. To make things even easier, you can measure out how big exactly you want the bit.

6) They will set things up for a custom order, usually quite cheap (especially for just one or two large shields) and often of great quality.

7) get addicted to etsy custom printed bits and end up trying to pimp out all your dudes far too much.

8) profit?

(seriously though: this really is a great way to get some great products for a great price.)
   
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Denison, Iowa

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Having trouble finding a big enought shield, although it was relatively easy to use a Nemesis Dreadknight sword for a stand in. Should arrive in 2-3 weeks. I'm wondering if I just take a hull plate off a rhino, and cut it into like a shield-esque shape, which Rhino Aquilon would look best? SoS? they have the closest iconograpy.

Other questions: For Tactics are we better running full bike squads of HBs or missiles for basic pickup games? I feel like HBs are much more take all comers.


Would one of the optional chest shields from the Imperial knight work? That should be just about the right size, and every knight player has a couple rattling around their bits box. Heck, I might have one you can have.

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Beaverton OR


So mine do measure slightly different, but both look good:

#1: 1.5'' by 2''

#2: 1.25'' by 1.75''

As far as I know, Knight shields would be around that :-)
   
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hi guys, one question I am really struggling with these days during list building is CP. Ive found that tons of cp is so incredibly strong with custodes. More so than with other armies. so I do everything I can to keep builds lean. That means Trajan, strategic mastermind and always one detachment. That last one sucks. With many of my more simple build I can stack up a lot of CP but with the popular builds right now being dreadnaught heavy, its harder.

Thing is, you typically want victor on a dawn eagle captain and venerable penitent on all your dreads, right? so in most of my list at the moment thats 2cp for the galatusses, 1cp for the telemon and 2 cp for victor plus one for a cap commander trait. so I start the game at friggin 6 CP for my dreadnaught builds. I have to be able to do that better.

Is the venerable really that important on the telemon? also, do you guys always go victor on the bike captain or could it be left out? mathematically it just seems like a no brainer, imo. But It does hurt to start out on just 6 cp.

any tips?

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In my last tournament 2 weeks ago i used VotBG in every game and it was worth it in all of them. I would not use venerable penitent the Telemon because i don't teleport him. And he allready has 5 attacks.
   
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yeah, but 6 are better : ) and seven are even better, better so fro twin ceastus builds VP should still be auto include, id say. But yeah, its probably not worth it if you bring a cannon on one arm.

You use VP on a galatus always, though, right?

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Scoundrel80 wrote:
hi guys, one question I am really struggling with these days during list building is CP. Ive found that tons of cp is so incredibly strong with custodes. More so than with other armies. so I do everything I can to keep builds lean. That means Trajan, strategic mastermind and always one detachment. That last one sucks. With many of my more simple build I can stack up a lot of CP but with the popular builds right now being dreadnaught heavy, its harder.

Thing is, you typically want victor on a dawn eagle captain and venerable penitent on all your dreads, right? so in most of my list at the moment thats 2cp for the galatusses, 1cp for the telemon and 2 cp for victor plus one for a cap commander trait. so I start the game at friggin 6 CP for my dreadnaught builds. I have to be able to do that better.

Is the venerable really that important on the telemon? also, do you guys always go victor on the bike captain or could it be left out? mathematically it just seems like a no brainer, imo. But It does hurt to start out on just 6 cp.

any tips?


1-2CP for eternal penitent on a galatus and/or achillus is definitely worth it imo. Their attacks are high quality enough that one extra attack can be a big deal and rerolling charges is always good.
I almost never use it on a telemon though. I just don't think it's necessary on our big chonky guy, since his main purpose imo is provide an unbelievably tough firing platform that can also melee in a pinch if necessary.

I'm really torn on Victor of the Blood Games....on one hand it's amazing at giving the already stellar survivability of our bike captain another boost, on the other hand it's 2 CP you could spend on emperors auspice or transhuman. And considering our bike captain with indomitable constitution is already ridiculously tough to remove, I find myself not taking it as often.
   
 
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