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Make Landraiders one modular codex entry with the following baseline:

200 Points w/ Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter, capacity (20).

May add:
Frag Assault Launchers - 5
Pintle Mounted Multi Melta - 10

May upgrade the Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter for:
Twin-Linked Assault Cannon - 20

Must take one of the following Sponson options:
Flamestorm Cannons - 15 (Reduces Capacity by 8)
Hurricane Bolters - 20 (Reduces Capacity by 4)
Twin-Linked Lascannons - 50 (Reduces Capacity by 10)

Then make the point costs make sense given the current edition of the game and throw in a few new options, such as some of the razorback turret options, which we really should have models for at this point....

185 Points w/ Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter, capacity (20).

May add:
Frag Assault Launchers - 5
Pintle Mounted Multi Melta - 10

May upgrade the Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter to:
Twin-Linked Heavy Flamers - Free
Twin-Linked Assault Cannon - 25
Twin-Linked Lascannon - 25

Must take one of the following Sponson options:
Hurricane Bolters - 15 (Reduces Capacity by 4)
Flamestorm Cannons - 25 (Reduces Capacity by 8)
Twin-Linked Lascannons - 40 (Reduces Capacity by 10)

Results:

Want a cheap and dirty transport? Hurricane bolters and frag assault launchers = 205
Fiery Death? Heavy Flamers and Flamestorm Cannons = 210
Long range fire support? Twin-Linked Lascannons all around = 250
Current Standard Pattern = 225
Current Crusader = 230
Current Redeemer = 240

This makes a suprising amount of sense, though I'd like to see an option to buy a Thunderfire Cannon in order to emulate the Achilles, and maybe some other 'relic' upgrades, like ceramite plating for melta/lance protection or a Whirlwind launcher for some hyper-durable artillery.

A split-fire option would be nice too.

I absolutely love that idea. It saddens my that landraiders can't feasably be used as gun platforms.

It'd be cool if you could purchase melta immunity like the Achilles! This is purely guesswork, but I'd imagine that'd be like 70ts? Since the Achilles is something like 320pts?

Here are my 2 ideas:

Base 185
Assault cannon 25
Pintle mounted melta 10
Twin linked multi melta sponsons 30
Melta immunity 70
310 total

Land Raider
Base 185
Pintle mounted plasma gun 15
Plasma executioner cannon sponsons 90 (reduces capacity by 14)
Hull mounted twin linked plasma cannon 20
310 total

 trephines wrote:
I absolutely love that idea. It saddens my that landraiders can't feasably be used as gun platforms.

It'd be cool if you could purchase melta immunity like the Achilles! This is purely guesswork, but I'd imagine that'd be like 70ts? Since the Achilles is something like 320pts?

Here are my 2 ideas:

Base 185
Assault cannon 25
Pintle mounted melta 10
Twin linked multi melta sponsons 30
Melta immunity 70
310 total

Land Raider
Base 185
Pintle mounted plasma gun 15
Plasma executioner cannon sponsons 90 (reduces capacity by 14)
Hull mounted twin linked plasma cannon 20
310 total

I like the idea of a Gunraider, and a 14/14/14 HP 4 vehicle rocking executioner Plasma Sposons (they're TL, not 6 shots, right?) and a Thunderfire Cannon would be DEADLY.

Not sure that JUST melta immunity would be worth 70 points. Maybe Melta Immunity, Lance Immunity/protection, and the Achilless' -1 to damage would be worth somewhere in that neighborhood.

One other option, just if you wanted to sink a LOT of points into one tank, would be buy involatile Armor token(s). I can't remember where they're from or if they're even a current thing, but each one negated a penetrating hit or a glancing hit that removed your last HP. They could also provide some protection from Destroyer hits, so your uber-expensive Gunraider dosn't get instagibed but a Shadowsword.

I thought about a 'battle tank' option. My original post was more of, this would make sense with whats currently available.

If I was going all out, I'd say add in the options to remove the transport capacity entirely for a front mounted cannon, i.e. the Ares and the Achilles. At that point include same additional side sponson options: Twin-linked multi meltas, from the Achilles and the heavy bolter sponsons from the Prometheus.

185 Points w/ Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter, capacity (20).

May add:
Frag Assault Launchers - 5
Pintle Mounted Multi Melta - 10

May upgrade the Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter to:
Twin-Linked Heavy Flamers - Free
Twin-Linked Assault Cannon - 25
Twin-Linked Lascannon - 25

Must take one of the following Sponson options:
Hurricane Bolters - 15 (Reduces Capacity by 4)
Two Twin-Linked Heavy Bolters - 25 (Reduces Capacity by 6)
Flamestorm Cannons - 25 (Reduces Capacity by 8)
Twin-Linked Multi Meltas - 30 (Reduces Capacity by 6)
Twin-Linked Lascannons - 40 (Reduces Capacity by 10)

May add the following front mounted cannons with siege shield, in exchange for all remaining transport capacity:
Thunderfire Cannon - 35
Demolisher Cannon - 45

Don't forget the Helios Missile Launcher upgrades.

Not sure what the cost would be, but you could add a whirlwind missile launcher at a points cost and for -4 transport. It could also take anti-aircraft missiles.

This build would make Nids, Orks and foot imperial guard cry.

Base 185
Heavy bolter pintle 10
Two Twin-Linked Heavy Bolters 25
Whirlwind missile launcher 30
250 total

 trephines wrote:
This build would make Nids, Orks and foot imperial guard cry.

Base 185
Heavy bolter pintle 10
Two Twin-Linked Heavy Bolters 25
Whirlwind missile launcher 30
250 total

That would certainly be unfun for certain armies, but pretty weak agisnt vehicle-focused ones. Not sure what the price on the Whirlwind Missle Launcher would be, though, and why not upgrade the frontal heavy bolters to Assault Cannons?

Honestly I wouldn't take that build, I'd go for the first one I posted with loads of plasma.

It amazes me that GW doesn't do something like, instead they give up the Land Raider Terminus, a tanks who's rear sponsons are bound to blow off the tanks front sponsons. Without even making a new mold they could sell a kit that fits my original post, an it would sell like crazy. If they actually produced a new sprue or two...mind blown. How about one sprue that could be used for razorbacks and land raiders with the current twin-link lascannons and heavy bolters, a new one with heavy flamers and las/plas. Then make a sprue with two new sponsons on it just like crusader upgrade sprue. Throw that on the market.

What ya'll are describing is a 30k Mechanicum Land Raider. They come in at 195 points base with a single heavy bolter and two lascannon sponsons. The Heavy Bolter can be upgraded to a Twin-linked Heavy Bolter, a twin-linked phase-plasma fusil, a volkite culvarin, a multi-melta, a lascannon, or a graviton cannon. Then it can swap the lascannons for quad heavy bolters, flamestorm cannons, plasma cannons, twin-linked lascannons or twin-linked multi-meltas.

Armoured Ceramite (the melta-immunity) is 20 points there.

200 Points w/ Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter, capacity (20).


Pintle mounted heavy bolter 10

Hurricane Bolters - 20 (Reduces Capacity by 4)
Hurricane Bolters - 20 (Reduces Capacity by 4) "Not a typo"

250 points, capacity 12 models

Exalted. This is the kind of mix-and-match we need more of in the game, to encourage creativity in both modeling/conversions and in tactics.

I absolutely LOVE the idea of the Gunraider

Imagine a lr with 4 hurricane bolters (one for each side door)

It must have split fire because the lr does not shoot forward very well.

Now imagine a troop cap of 6. Just enough for da to take a small squad, carry a standard of devestation and pfg.

I really think it should have guns on top.

 Filch wrote:
Imagine a lr with 4 hurricane bolters (one for each side door)

It must have split fire because the lr does not shoot forward very well.

Now imagine a troop cap of 6. Just enough for da to take a small squad, carry a standard of devestation and pfg.

I really think it should have guns on top.

Two storm bolters on the hatches and a TLHB on the cupola?

Not to mention the 200 point base variety to move a big group of killy things down the field. That would be what, 10 assault terminators worth of awesome?!

Being able to mount a twin las on the hull would be great. It'd be a good alternative to a standard Godhammer pattern, which I always prefereed over the other 2, but have been convinced they're a poor choice, or of questionable value at best.

Mode 250
Flame storm canons
Rear facing twin linked h flamers
Front inferno canon
Two pinitle mounted h flamers
Transport 10 models.

 e.earnshaw wrote:
Mode 250
Flame storm canons
Rear facing twin linked h flamers
Front inferno canon
Two pinitle mounted h flamers
Transport 10 models.

I think we decided that the frontal cannon would remove all/most transport capacity, and an Inferno Cannon might be a but much; what about a Flamestorm cannon from the Hellhound?

Uh, the Hellhound has an Inferno Cannon, Heir. You're probably thinking of the Inferno Gun from the Warhound?

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Uh, the Hellhound has an Inferno Cannon, Heir. You're probably thinking of the Inferno Gun from the Warhound?

No, I'm saying that mounting a Titan gun on a Land Raider might be a bit much. Notthing we've seen indicates that the Land Raider chassis can mount even a Leman Russ-scale wepon on its frontal hardpoint, thus the Hellhound gun.

Yes, but you said that the Inferno Cannon (the hellhound gun) was too much a minute ago.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Yes, but you said that the Inferno Cannon (the hellhound gun) was too much a minute ago.

Sorry, my mistake.

Heir of the Void wrote:

 trephines wrote:
This build would make Nids, Orks and foot imperial guard cry.

Base 185
Heavy bolter pintle 10
Two Twin-Linked Heavy Bolters 25
Whirlwind missile launcher 30
250 total

That would certainly be unfun for certain armies, but pretty weak agisnt vehicle-focused ones. Not sure what the price on the Whirlwind Missle Launcher would be, though, and why not upgrade the frontal heavy bolters to Assault Cannons?

Three heavy bolters and one large blast isn't exactly scary or that many points.

Shotgunhammer Pattern (250 points, no passengers):
Pintle-mounted Astartes Shotgun
Twin-linked Astartes Shotgun (front)
Two sponsons with eight twin-linked Astartes Shotguns each
Twin-linked Astartes Shotgun (rear)
Astartes Shotgun on roof, pointing straight up to take snapshots at fliers
Astartes Shotgun on underside of hull, pointing straight down in case of Mawlocs
Astartes Shotgun Launcher (Range:48" S & AP: Special, Heavy 10, may only target friendly units, on a hit the target is now armed with Astartes Shotgun)
Hunter-Killer Astartes Shotgun

 SisterSydney wrote:
Shotgunhammer Pattern (250 points, no passengers):
Pintle-mounted Astartes Shotgun
Twin-linked Astartes Shotgun (front)
Two sponsons with eight twin-linked Astartes Shotguns each
Twin-linked Astartes Shotgun (rear)
Astartes Shotgun on roof, pointing straight up to take snapshots at fliers
Astartes Shotgun on underside of hull, pointing straight down in case of Mawlocs
Astartes Shotgun Launcher (Range:48" S & AP: Special, Heavy 10, may only target friendly units, on a hit the target is now armed with Astartes Shotgun)
Hunter-Killer Astartes Shotgun

I'll take two, please!

Heh. A [puts on sunglasses] two-barreled force?

In my defense I should note I normally homebrew significantly saner units. Except for the 3,000-point superheavy Churchtank.

Oh that reminds of my mole pattern hunter killer missile, which is just a hunter killer missiile glued on the bottom of of the Chimera.

And it also counts as a Taurox missile launcher when I proxy it as a Taurox for my Scions

I like these ideas for Traitors, but I feel like my Loyalists would only deploy one of their treasured Land Raiders when it is fully kitted, and almost always with an answer for everything (hence why their armaments seem so disjoint - the doctrine is to handle everything, whereas you want focus when min/maxxing).

That said, more options are almost always a good thing, IMO. I don't need to use your non compliant foolishness!