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kirsanth wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:As I already said, it's not evil, it's logical.

"Your race will die quickly or slowly. Pick one."

Er. . .ok. . . .

I already compared them (fittingly) to modern humanity, and let me ask you: are modern humans above making threats?

Melissia wrote:

kirsanth wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:As I already said, it's not evil, it's logical.

"Your race will die quickly or slowly. Pick one."

Er. . .ok. . . .

Exactly. Either way it's genocide, either way it's evil. Tau fanboys can defend them all they want, but Tau are still evil bastards

Essentially the Tau Empire and the Imperium of Man are equal on the "Genocidal Feth-head" scale, the Tau just have better PR

The whole "slow genocide is just as bad as the shoot-you in-the-head version" makes sense. But do we have any proof of Tau doing either?

Lord Harrab wrote:

Melissia wrote:

kirsanth wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:As I already said, it's not evil, it's logical.

"Your race will die quickly or slowly. Pick one."

Er. . .ok. . . .

Exactly. Either way it's genocide, either way it's evil. Tau fanboys can defend them all they want, but Tau are still evil bastards

Essentially the Tau Empire and the Imperium of Man are equal on the "Genocidal Feth-head" scale, the Tau just have better PR

Equal? The IoM commits genocide on people who they suspect are heretics, good imperial citizens, aliens, heretics, and, sometimes, just cuz.

The Tau commit a lesser form of genocide, in which people are allowed to live out their lives as normal, when absolutelly necessary.

Codex Quote: the Tau way of war does not recognize the concept of expendable.

Can you guys keep this on topic? If you want to argue about the Tau, make a different topic. Thank you.

Anyway, between this and the Blood Angels, I'm beginning to wonder if Mard is a Chaos player in disguise and this is all one big troll.

Luke_Prowler wrote:Can you guys keep this on topic? If you want to argue about the Tau, make a different topic. Thank you.

Anyway, between this and the Blood Angels, I'm beginning to wonder if Mard is a Chaos player in disguise and this is all one big troll.

No, he's an Ultrasmurfs player, and to make them look like the ultimate defenders of humanity by making the rest of the IoM look horrible.

Blood Angels have Flying. Librarian. Dreadnoughts.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Luke_Prowler wrote:Anyway, between this and the Blood Angels, I'm beginning to wonder if Mard is a Chaos player in disguise and this is all one big troll.

No, he's an Ultrasmurfs player, and to make them look like the ultimate defenders of humanity by making the rest of the IoM look horrible.

Blood Angels have Flying. Librarian. Dreadnoughts.

That's why I said "in disguise". He's slowly binding his time until he's redone all the Marine codex, then surprising everyone.

*gasp* Mutt Wart just got EVEN more evil!!!

im2randomghgh wrote:*gasp* Mutt Wart just got EVEN more evil!!!

Yes, by bathing in the blood of CS Goto, he has begun his ascension to daemon prince.

asimo77 wrote:The whole "slow genocide is just as bad as the shoot-you in-the-head version" makes sense. But do we have any proof of Tau doing either?

Not that anyone has mentioned. It seems like if you ask about it, they don't bother to respond.

You know the fifth chaos god? Malal? That's Matt Ward.

Matt Ward
An evil entity
Loser
Awful writer
Loves Ultrasmurfs too much.

So true..

That said if C.S. Goto has made the ultimate sacrifice i can live with that...

Ascalam wrote:So true..

That said if C.S. Goto has made the ultimate sacrifice i can live with that...

Goto=Ward.

evil twin episode, where both Ward and Goto are the evil twin...

That's twisted

Ascalam wrote:evil twin episode, where both Ward and Goto are the evil twin...

That's twisted

Not twins, SAME PERSON! *gasp*

Not as evil, but probably more likely :0)

It would explain a lot...

Ya, like how two such awful writers could just happen to end up working for the same company? Ya, just no. The Universe isn't that mean to us. Just one awful, awful human being.

im2randomghgh wrote:Ya, like how two such awful writers could just happen to end up working for the same company? Ya, just no. The Universe isn't that mean to us. Just one awful, awful human being.

C.S. Goto hasn't worked for Games Workshop for 5+ years.

Matt Ward was working there when C.S. Goto was still being hired, but he was working on the Lord of the Rings.

Ascalam wrote:
The imperium has a bad habit of allying with an alien race, then exterminating them afterwards. I can't thing of any occasion other than some rather old fluff regarding the eldar where they negotiated with a race and actually meant it.

They've fought alongside the Eldar, Tau they've even employed Orks as mercenaries. I believe I may have heard of them hiring Kroot as well, but I'm not so sure about that last one.

The Imperium couldn't care less about saving lives. Get off the Big E fanclub horse. They are a totalitarian regime ruled by some not very nice people in the name of a corpse. They combine the worst aspects of the spanish inquisition, ancient rome and nazi germany.

The purpose of the Imperium is to unite and protect humanity. Which is about saving human lives. Some of the Imperium might be corrupt and self-serving, but overall, it doesn't actually seem malevolent. They don't do nice things, they do necessary things.

im2randomghgh wrote:The Imperium does not negociate, in fact, nogociating with xenos is heresy, and can bring the Inquisition into the picture. Whenever they negociate, it is just manipulation at it's worst, essentially they're saying: Wait here while we kill the Nids, then we'll break you like ants, okay?

The gulf crusade was before most of the Tau ruled former IoM planets were taking. The Tau reclaimed their lost planets, and started annexing worlds, in the wake of the crusade.

The Gue'vesa are loyal to the Tau Empire, so no, it is NOT genocide. If you go to a doctor and have a vasectomy, has the doctor committed genocide?

The feral Orks would pose a threat, especially since the Orks have their *special* method of reproduction.

I still don't have my cookie.

Yes it does. It will fight alongside Eldar and Tau if necessary, it has hired xeno mercenaries, and the Grey Knights and Inquisition seem to do it fairly often.

The Tau were still seeking to claim control of Imperial worlds. Peacefully, but it's a hostile act nonetheless.

If it's an entire people being forced into it, then yes. Although I never mentioned genocide against Humans.

Feral Orks do not pose a threat unless the Tau go onto the planet and start claiming it fro their own. What the Tau do to them is no different to what the Imperium tried to do to the Tau. Orks are, after all, intelligent beings.

No, but the Tau wouldn't let you have it either.

Equal? The IoM commits genocide on people who they suspect are heretics, good imperial citizens, aliens, heretics, and, sometimes, just cuz.

Because the threat of what they could do is so much worse. Keep the xenos alive, and what happens? Well, just look at the Tau who never even realised the Imperium tried to exterminate them. Heretics? That heresy could spread throughout the world and lead to rebellion, or worse. Good Imperial citizens? They can't take the chance. I don't think they really want to exterminate humanity, they just try to do what's necessary.

If what the Tau do is justified by the fact that they're trying to stay alive, so is what the Imperium does.

Luke_Prowler wrote:Can you guys keep this on topic? If you want to argue about the Tau, make a different topic. Thank you.

That's on topic to you? This thread is suggesting that Khorne might approve of the Grey Knights, not randomly insulting Matt Ward and the background he writes.

Actually when IoM commits genocides they save billions of other people.

IoM is actually performing the "lesser" evil..
Sometimes you have to sacrifice 1 billions people to save 100billion others.

By enforced conscription or pure murder. The Human life depends on that other die in their stead.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Ascalam wrote:
The imperium has a bad habit of allying with an alien race, then exterminating them afterwards. I can't thing of any occasion other than some rather old fluff regarding the eldar where they negotiated with a race and actually meant it.

They've fought alongside the Eldar, Tau they've even employed Orks as mercenaries. I believe I may have heard of them hiring Kroot as well, but I'm not so sure about that last one.

The Imperium couldn't care less about saving lives. Get off the Big E fanclub horse. They are a totalitarian regime ruled by some not very nice people in the name of a corpse. They combine the worst aspects of the spanish inquisition, ancient rome and nazi germany.

The purpose of the Imperium is to unite and protect humanity. Which is about saving human lives. Some of the Imperium might be corrupt and self-serving, but overall, it doesn't actually seem malevolent. They don't do nice things, they do necessary things.

im2randomghgh wrote:The Imperium does not negociate, in fact, nogociating with xenos is heresy, and can bring the Inquisition into the picture. Whenever they negociate, it is just manipulation at it's worst, essentially they're saying: Wait here while we kill the Nids, then we'll break you like ants, okay?

The gulf crusade was before most of the Tau ruled former IoM planets were taking. The Tau reclaimed their lost planets, and started annexing worlds, in the wake of the crusade.

The Gue'vesa are loyal to the Tau Empire, so no, it is NOT genocide. If you go to a doctor and have a vasectomy, has the doctor committed genocide?

The feral Orks would pose a threat, especially since the Orks have their *special* method of reproduction.

I still don't have my cookie.

Yes it does. It will fight alongside Eldar and Tau if necessary, it has hired xeno mercenaries, and the Grey Knights and Inquisition seem to do it fairly often.

The Tau were still seeking to claim control of Imperial worlds. Peacefully, but it's a hostile act nonetheless.

If it's an entire people being forced into it, then yes. Although I never mentioned genocide against Humans.

Feral Orks do not pose a threat unless the Tau go onto the planet and start claiming it fro their own. What the Tau do to them is no different to what the Imperium tried to do to the Tau. Orks are, after all, intelligent beings.

No, but the Tau wouldn't let you have it either.

Equal? The IoM commits genocide on people who they suspect are heretics, good imperial citizens, aliens, heretics, and, sometimes, just cuz.

Because the threat of what they could do is so much worse. Keep the xenos alive, and what happens? Well, just look at the Tau who never even realised the Imperium tried to exterminate them. Heretics? That heresy could spread throughout the world and lead to rebellion, or worse. Good Imperial citizens? They can't take the chance. I don't think they really want to exterminate humanity, they just try to do what's necessary.

If what the Tau do is justified by the fact that they're trying to stay alive, so is what the Imperium does.

Luke_Prowler wrote:Can you guys keep this on topic? If you want to argue about the Tau, make a different topic. Thank you.

That's on topic to you? This thread is suggesting that Khorne might approve of the Grey Knights, not randomly insulting Matt Ward and the background he writes.

For the sterilization, did you ever hear the word forced? Where did you get that word from? Even when conflict is unavoidable, the Tau offer humans the chance to live out their lives in peace, as part of the Empire. Who cares if your sterile? I would rather live my life sterile than get shot in the head with a bolter.

The IoM called exterminatus on three different worlds because one loyal storm-trooper knew about the Chaos Legions. They have vindicares, why do they need to kill billions? Think about it, YOU are one, single life. If you did, it would affect des douzaines des persons. Those that mourn, those that need to fill your job, pay for your funeral etc. Think about that times 20,000,000,000.

If the Tau settled the planet, they likely would not hunt the feral orks without provocation.

And the Tau did indeed give me my cookie. *munch munch munch*

elite_dannux wrote:Actually when IoM commits genocides they save billions of other people.

IoM is actually performing the "lesser" evil..
Sometimes you have to sacrifice 1 billions people to save 100billion others.

Who were they saving when they put three planets to the sword on the off chance that a storm trooper that saw something might have not been butchered?



By the way, the only forced sterilization I have been able to find in 40k took place at the command of the Inquisition.

BaronIveagh wrote:

elite_dannux wrote:Actually when IoM commits genocides they save billions of other people.

IoM is actually performing the "lesser" evil..
Sometimes you have to sacrifice 1 billions people to save 100billion others.

Who were they saving when they put three planets to the sword on the off chance that a storm trooper that saw something might have not been butchered?



By the way, the only forced sterilization I have been able to find in 40k took place at the command of the Inquisition.

Exactly, the Tau dont force sterilization, it is just a relatively mild condition for avoid armed conflict.

Again, where the feth is everyone getting this business with Tau and sterilization?

BaronIveagh wrote:Again, where the feth is everyone getting this business with Tau and sterilization?

Dawn of War: Dark Crusade. The Tau ending heavily hinted that the humans were sterilized and generally oppressed.

I think there was something about it in savage scars...

im2randomghgh wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:

elite_dannux wrote:Actually when IoM commits genocides they save billions of other people.

IoM is actually performing the "lesser" evil..
Sometimes you have to sacrifice 1 billions people to save 100billion others.

Who were they saving when they put three planets to the sword on the off chance that a storm trooper that saw something might have not been butchered?



By the way, the only forced sterilization I have been able to find in 40k took place at the command of the Inquisition.

Exactly, the Tau dont force sterilization, it is just a relatively mild condition for avoid armed conflict.

......... Get on topic.
Now

im2randomghgh wrote:
For the sterilization, did you ever hear the word forced? Where did you get that word from? Even when conflict is unavoidable, the Tau offer humans the chance to live out their lives in peace, as part of the Empire. Who cares if your sterile? I would rather live my life sterile than get shot in the head with a bolter.

I don't know, other posters were saying it I think. I would care if I was sterile. I would care very much, and I'd certainly try to kill those who forced it on me.

The IoM called exterminatus on three different worlds because one loyal storm-trooper knew about the Chaos Legions. They have vindicares, why do they need to kill billions? Think about it, YOU are one, single life. If you did, it would affect des douzaines des persons. Those that mourn, those that need to fill your job, pay for your funeral etc. Think about that times 20,000,000,000.

Could you elaborate more on that, please? Because the Imperium doesn't take Exterminatus likely.

If the Tau settled the planet, they likely would not hunt the feral orks without provocation.

If I recall correctly, the Orks are one species the Tau have designated as 'to be completely exterminated'. They will never bow before the Tau, so they will try to wipe them out.

And the Tau did indeed give me my cookie. *munch munch munch*

But I thougt the Imperium stole it?

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
For the sterilization, did you ever hear the word forced? Where did you get that word from? Even when conflict is unavoidable, the Tau offer humans the chance to live out their lives in peace, as part of the Empire. Who cares if your sterile? I would rather live my life sterile than get shot in the head with a bolter.

I don't know, other posters were saying it I think. I would care if I was sterile. I would care very much, and I'd certainly try to kill those who forced it on me.

The IoM called exterminatus on three different worlds because one loyal storm-trooper knew about the Chaos Legions. They have vindicares, why do they need to kill billions? Think about it, YOU are one, single life. If you did, it would affect des douzaines des persons. Those that mourn, those that need to fill your job, pay for your funeral etc. Think about that times 20,000,000,000.

Could you elaborate more on that, please? Because the Imperium doesn't take Exterminatus likely.

If the Tau settled the planet, they likely would not hunt the feral orks without provocation.

If I recall correctly, the Orks are one species the Tau have designated as 'to be completely exterminated'. They will never bow before the Tau, so they will try to wipe them out.

And the Tau did indeed give me my cookie. *munch munch munch*

But I thougt the Imperium stole it?

That's why the Tau attacked the Imperial worlds, to get me back my cookie. It was worth it.

In your response to my response on the word "forced" you used the word "forced"...Would you rather have the life-eater virus dropped on your head, or live out a long, happy life, minus a child? There are lots of happy people who don't have children.

With the V-bombing several worlds for 'Da trooper, C.S. Goto did it. Nuff said. But never the less, it is canon. It was in tha BR Omni.

Luke_Prowler wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:Again, where the feth is everyone getting this business with Tau and sterilization?

Dawn of War: Dark Crusade. The Tau ending heavily hinted that the humans were sterilized and generally oppressed.

So, wait, the Non-canon ending of a non-GW/FFG/BL product that only hints that something might have taken place because human population of the planet declined afterward is the basis of all this idiocy?


Feth, seriously, that makes what Matt Ward did to GK look intelligent.

I'm surprised that people are so upset over this, but fail to raise an eyebrow at the fact that the Grey Knights are currently in possession of the Craftworld of Malan'tai.