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**Scarey Nerd**

SonicPara wrote:
Aduro wrote:Necrons
Sisters
Eldar
Dark Angels
Tau

Why this? Sisters are the most viable out of that list. Eldar are still very competitive but require much skill and timing. Dark Angels have been revived by the FAQ with Deathwing even being a bit overpowered thanks to how insanely inexpensive Belial is.

After Necrons, Tau are the weakest codex and deserve the next book release. I would have Tau as mostly just a book release as the line is nearly all plastic anyways; followed by Sisters having a Dark Eldar type release.

He's basing it off a combination of age and viablity combined, I think.

Kurgash wrote:
Brother SRM wrote:
Kurgash wrote:That and apparently there are sergeant upgrades for squads and such. Having trouble making them not play like space marines my ass...

Where did you hear this? I haven't seen or heard anything like this before this post, and it's getting people in a tizzy. I don't see it happening.

That Steel Spectre guy on Warseer, who originally said necrons were pushed back, made a post about new info he heard. Not from his same dude but new info none the less.

Ah here it is.

Spectral Dragon;5432930 wrote:*Holds head in hands*

Ok, I had to mention this because knowing Matt Ward, this is probably true.

There ARE squad leaders in the codex, and the feel of necrons as well as their fluff, even though it is drastically being changed, is simply going to be so drastically changed they are going to be virtually unrecognizable.

FNP (I don't want to play plague marines) is in the codex. Phase out is changed and renamed into something stupid. One of the new units doesn't fit the army at all.

In short, it's Matt's usual work.

This from a different source than the one that told me that they were going to be pushed back. I trust the guy who told me they are being pushed back more, this guy is usually only correct half the time.

Salt Required. I hope this doesn't pan out.

Please no...

**Kroothawk**

Welcome to Codex Necro Marines with its Necro fists, Necro blasters, Necro Walkers and Lord Necro of Necropolis

**asimo77**

The only sort of squad leader I wouldn't mind seeing is something along the lines of Sanguinary Priests. For 1 elite slot you get 1-3 IC's, maybe Bronze Lords or something new like Necron Architect or Overseer perhaps. These guys attach to squads and give out buffs. I'm not a fan of Pariahs being in mixed squads.

**Necros**

yeah I don't mind adding a specialist kinda robot to a unit, just not a "squad leader" type. But if that's the route they take maybe they could have the option of adding an immortal or a pariah to a squad. or maybe warriors could add an immortal, and flayed ones could add a pariah.. something like that.

**Scarey Nerd**

Necros wrote:yeah I don't mind adding a specialist kinda robot to a unit, just not a "squad leader" type. But if that's the route they take maybe they could have the option of adding an immortal or a pariah to a squad. or maybe warriors could add an immortal, and flayed ones could add a pariah.. something like that.

Specialists could be cool, like upgrading a Battle Sister to an Imagifer in the Witchhunters codex.

**asimo77**

Specialists don't seem very in line with the Necron feel. I think if there's going to be any sort of mixed squads it should be a Lord + whoever. Kind of like a Necromancer leading his drones. I rather see that than slightly better Necrons leading slightly worse Necrons i..e Immortals in charge of Warriors or something.

**Sasori**

Kurgash wrote:
Brother SRM wrote:
Kurgash wrote:That and apparently there are sergeant upgrades for squads and such. Having trouble making them not play like space marines my ass...

Where did you hear this? I haven't seen or heard anything like this before this post, and it's getting people in a tizzy. I don't see it happening.

That Steel Spectre guy on Warseer, who originally said necrons were pushed back, made a post about new info he heard. Not from his same dude but new info none the less.

Ah here it is.

Spectral Dragon;5432930 wrote:*Holds head in hands*

Ok, I had to mention this because knowing Matt Ward, this is probably true.

There ARE squad leaders in the codex, and the feel of necrons as well as their fluff, even though it is drastically being changed, is simply going to be so drastically changed they are going to be virtually unrecognizable.

FNP (I don't want to play plague marines) is in the codex. Phase out is changed and renamed into something stupid. One of the new units doesn't fit the army at all.

In short, it's Matt's usual work.

This from a different source than the one that told me that they were going to be pushed back. I trust the guy who told me they are being pushed back more, this guy is usually only correct half the time.

Salt Required. I hope this doesn't pan out.

I think I'm going to vomit.

Ugh. I can only hope that the "new Feel" isn't just Space Marines.

**xttz**

SonicPara wrote:
Aduro wrote:Necrons
Sisters
Eldar
Dark Angels
Tau

Why this? Sisters are the most viable out of that list. Eldar are still very competitive but require much skill and timing. Dark Angels have been revived by the FAQ with Deathwing even being a bit overpowered thanks to how insanely inexpensive Belial is.

Which FAQ revived DA, and in what way? I don't see any major changes in the 1.1 official update.

**Mantle**

I really hope that what Spectral Dragon had said isn't true, 'crons need a good dex and not screwing up. If GW gets this wrong I can see them losing a LOT of players veterans and newcomers.

Kurgash wrote:

Ugh. I can only hope that the "new Feel" isn't just Space Marines.

Say hello to Tomb fists and some walker/monstrous creature/baby carrier that magically appears in the fluff like it has always been there

**VoidAngel**

The problem with the Necron codex is its lack of variety. I would not be surprised if part of the author's given mission is, explicitly, to 'spice things up'. New kinds of deathbots is a good way to do that. It doesn't have to = doom.

**Scarey Nerd**

VoidAngel wrote:The problem with the Necron codex is its lack of variety. I would not be surprised if part of the author's given mission is, explicitly, to 'spice things up'. New kinds of deathbots is a good way to do that. It doesn't have to = doom.

But depending on the author, it could equal doom hard...

**Darkjediben**

xttz wrote:
SonicPara wrote:
Aduro wrote:Necrons
Sisters
Eldar
Dark Angels
Tau

Why this? Sisters are the most viable out of that list. Eldar are still very competitive but require much skill and timing. Dark Angels have been revived by the FAQ with Deathwing even being a bit overpowered thanks to how insanely inexpensive Belial is.

Which FAQ revived DA, and in what way? I don't see any major changes in the 1.1 official update.

The 1.1 FAQ gave them 3+ Stormshield and 2 shot Cyclone Missile Launchers.

**VoidAngel**

Scarey Nerd wrote:
VoidAngel wrote:The problem with the Necron codex is its lack of variety. I would not be surprised if part of the author's given mission is, explicitly, to 'spice things up'. New kinds of deathbots is a good way to do that. It doesn't have to = doom.

But depending on the author, it could equal doom hard...

Meh. Grey Knights is out. It's not some overpowered horror that will beat everything else automatically. If the fluff is terrible...ignore it. There are richer sources (novels, older material).

**SonicPara**

Darkjediben wrote:The 1.1 FAQ gave them 3+ Stormshield and 2 shot Cyclone Missile Launchers.

That coupled with Terminator Apothecaries, taking Cyclone Missiles on TH/SS Terminators, stupidly inexpensive Belial, and all Terminators scoring has made Deathwing more effective than they needed to be. Dark Angels as a whole aren't fixed, its mostly just Deathwing but that has been the main draw of the book anyways.

**syypher**

Ok to confirm and just add-on to what I said earlier about the stores I normally order from saying they are not getting new Necrons anymore because GW is coming out with new stuff in July...

I tried to order more models today and they said they don't have them either. It seems GW is stopping A LOT of their Necron models to their distributors. They told me again today that new models were coming out July so I should wait and buy them then. (I was starting Necrons before this new Codex rumors, like a week before I read about it...when I tried to order from my regular online sites I keep getting that they don't have certain models anymore.) List keeps piling up!

**Brother SRM**

Scarey Nerd wrote:
But can't you just see it, just over the horizon? Necron warriors all equipped with frag grenades, Gauss Weaponry loses its auto-glance ability, they can be mounted in a transport called the Scorpion that can self-repair immobilised results on a 6, "Logical retreat" where they can auto-fail morale checks... See where I'm going here?

"Duh, peoples seem to like spehss mahreens, maybe if'n we make necrobots or whatever they're called (It's been so long since we updahted them i've forgotted) be almoest the same, they'll buy dem more!"

No. No I can't "just see it" because it isn't going to happen. That's jumping the gun quite a bit unless you're being sarcastic (and it wouldn't be the first time I mistook sarcasm for honest opinion on Dakka).

**Scarey Nerd**

Brother SRM wrote:
Scarey Nerd wrote:
But can't you just see it, just over the horizon? Necron warriors all equipped with frag grenades, Gauss Weaponry loses its auto-glance ability, they can be mounted in a transport called the Scorpion that can self-repair immobilised results on a 6, "Logical retreat" where they can auto-fail morale checks... See where I'm going here?

"Duh, peoples seem to like spehss mahreens, maybe if'n we make necrobots or whatever they're called (It's been so long since we updahted them i've forgotted) be almoest the same, they'll buy dem more!"

No. No I can't "just see it" because it isn't going to happen. That's jumping the gun quite a bit unless you're being sarcastic (and it wouldn't be the first time I mistook sarcasm for honest opinion on Dakka).

Yeah, I was being heavily sarcastic. If you ever talk to Greyspear on here, ask him if I'm sarcastic and I'm sure he'll give you a good answer

**Kroothawk**

Mantle wrote:Say hello to Tomb fists and some walker/monstrous creature/baby carrier that magically appears in the fluff like it has always been there

Oh, and one Necron Lord makes Craftworld Eldar standards

**ShatteredBlade**

I have a feeling that since he who shall not be named is writing the codex ( I really REALLY don't want a bunch of hate posts about said writer to follow) there is going to have very sentient lords. And by very sentient I mean insane, meglomaniacs whom barely listen to the c'tan and basically run amoke like rich saudi princes.

**CT GAMER**

Mantle wrote:

Say hello to Tomb fists and some walker/monstrous creature/baby carrier that magically appears in the fluff like it has always been there

And as long as they pwn noobs and look cool, very few will even bat an eyelash...

**Scarey Nerd**

ShatteredBlade wrote:I have a feeling that since he who shall not be named ( I really REALLY don't want a bunch of hate posts about said writer to follow) is going to have very sentient lords. And by very sentient I mean insane, meglomaniacs whom barely listen to the c'tan and basically run amoke like rich saudi princes.

I won't at all mind sentient and insane Lords. The more narcissistic, nihilistic, fatalistic and destructive they are, the better. Barely listening to the C'Tan, though, well that right there's an issue. But it could happen. If Spectral Dragon's post is anything to go by, the Necron fluff is changing entirely, so.

Oh Throne... I've just thought... What if he who must not be named retcons the C'Tan out?

**ShatteredBlade**

I have no problem with them being sentient, infact they're already kind of are according to the fluff. I would welcome it, but I just hope they're cold, calculating madmen. I'd be rather put off if they act like Archons or Ultrasmurfs.

**Ascalam**

'Oh Throne... I've just thought... What if he who must not be named retcons the C'Tan out? '

If you look at the main rulebook's fluff section it mentions nothing about the c'tan. It DOES mention lords believing themselves the incarnations of ancient gods and modding their bodies to fit their meglomania.

I fully expect a deep proctological fluff reboot.

**Brother SRM**

Scarey Nerd wrote:
Yeah, I was being heavily sarcastic. If you ever talk to Greyspear on here, ask him if I'm sarcastic and I'm sure he'll give you a good answer

Alright, good to know! Considering the content of most posts in any thread that brings up Mat Ward, I figured there was about a 50/50 shot of you being serious!

**Darth Bob**

I severely doubt they will flat-out retcon the C'Tan. There's too much past fluff written about them to just say they never existed. Especially since it will pretty much make everything from Mechanicum null and void.

It's possible they will be removed as playable units, but I find their complete removal from the fluff to be incredibly unlikely.

**Therion**

They have to do some background changes when they suddenly make C'tan unplayable. It's understandable and expectable. How did the Nightbringer work in Dawn of War? If I remember correctly it was some temporary aspect or form that the Necron Lord could take every once in a while once you had the technology researched.

They can write C'tan as energy beings that can possess a Necrodermis with a tiny bit of their power and enhance it, or they can write them as ominous background figures just like the Emperor or the Chaos Gods. It's all in Matt Ward's hands

**Uriels_Flame**

C'tans will be squatted. They've all been told to act like it didn't happen at all.

Then we'll find out that Necrons are really the lost Phoenix legion gone bad....

More Wardism to follow...

**bd1085**

Darth Bob wrote:I severely doubt they will flat-out retcon the C'Tan. There's too much past fluff written about them to just say they never existed. Especially since it will pretty much make everything from Mechanicum null and void.

It's possible they will be removed as playable units, but I find their complete removal from the fluff to be incredibly unlikely.

My money says they still talk about them heavily in the new codex but will bend them so they're so powerful now that they can justify removing them from <3000 pt. games. Can't wait to see their new Apoc rules though.

**Vhalyar**

bd1085 wrote:My money says they still talk about them heavily in the new codex but will bend them so they're so powerful now that they can justify removing them from <3000 pt. games. Can't wait to see their new Apoc rules though.

They were always supposed to be ridiculously powerful; the ability to field them right now is pretty silly. Primarchs got preemptively removed, C'tans should follow suit.

**ShatteredBlade**

Vhalyar wrote:
bd1085 wrote:My money says they still talk about them heavily in the new codex but will bend them so they're so powerful now that they can justify removing them from <3000 pt. games. Can't wait to see their new Apoc rules though.

They were always supposed to be ridiculously powerful; the ability to field them right now is pretty silly. Primarchs got preemptively removed, C'tans should follow suit.

I agree, though what to do about the models are the question. I think they'll end up as a tooled up Lord, rather then the actual C'tan. I mean, honestly I'm poisoning the Nightbringer? With what, good intentions?