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I'm being open minded about toning down the C'tan and making them an avatar of the Nightbringer (adjusting points of course). Lords turning in to C'tan mid-battle doesn't sound like a mechanic I'd like.

C'tan being unable to be played will probably severely dent my desire to play Necrons for a while at least. I spent quite a while on my Nightbringer and only fielding him in 2500+ games sounds well...like a bummer because I probably will never play a game that large.

I always admired the Necron players who refused to play with C'tan because of the ridiculous concept of fielding a god. I used to avoid playing any and all special characters for the same reason, (until they became essential to altering your army mechanics...)

That said, if GKs can have Draigo and BAs can have Mephiston, (basically gods, as their fluff has them transcending the Primarchs, if not the Emperor) I don't think Necrons should be denied something that GW probably equates with certain playable SM SCs... Don't be surprised if there's even a fluff piece in the new Necron codex involving Mephiston brawling a C'tan on the surface of a sun... Naked.

But if there are no C'tan in the new codex, I would take pride in the lack of ridiculously over-the-top playable characters. Such things tend to make your army look... well... stupid.

We'd probably still have ridiculous characters, but going the other way, since they're not marines.

A 360 pt , stat 2 across the board lord perhaps, with some daft extra rules and the ability to make scarab swarms scoring, but explode of looked at, granting one KP per base..

Consider the writer

'Don't be surprised if there's even a fluff piece in the new Necron codex involving Mephiston brawling a C'tan on the surface of a sun... Naked.'

Nude solar wrestling hmm...

Tickets here! Tickets here!!

And the winner of the brawl get to throw the author who shan't be named into the sun?

Just for the laughs I quote this post from Warseer:

nagash42 wrote:Heard from my store's owner that necrons might get held back cause they're finding them to be to powerful right now and will be pushign tau foreward instead.

Kroothawk wrote:Just for the laughs I quote this post from Warseer:

nagash42 wrote:Heard from my store's owner that necrons might get held back cause they're finding them to be to powerful right now and will be pushign tau foreward instead.

Honestly, that is what my info guys told me back when I posted news in August about who was writing the book and whatnot. They said one of the units Necrons were getting was just a tad bit too powerful as compared to others and needed tweaking to bring it in line. Might be old stuff tho as now I'm hearing Black Box by August.

Good lord, I'm wondering about how powerful they are if GW is holding them back. Or is it just because they can beat Space Marines, and that is an issue?

Kurgash wrote:Honestly, that is what my info guys told me back when I posted news in August about who was writing the book and whatnot. They said one of the units Necrons were getting was just a tad bit too powerful as compared to others and needed tweaking to bring it in line. Might be old stuff tho as now I'm hearing Black Box by August.

That seems like the kind of thing that would happen naturally during playtest adjustments, I really doubt that there would be an impact on the release date.

LiberatedObject wrote:Good lord, I'm wondering about how powerful they are if GW is holding them back. Or is it just because they can beat Space Marines, and that is an issue?

LOL! god i hope they keep it that way then, marines need to fall from the number 1 spot

That won't happen since this started as a marines vs. marines game.

i can hope! just like i can hope the pylons and the Obslisks are in the codex as well

Hope is the mind-killer

I have little to no hope for the Crons, right now. I may just have to hang on to my old codex when the new one hits, like a lot of Nid players did...

That said, new necron models would be nice

Ascalam wrote:Hope is the mind-killer I have little to no hope for the Crons, right now. I may just have to hang on to my old codex when the new one hits, like a lot of Nid players did...

Why exactly? Ward's ability to write background stories is fairly dubious, but his rules are solid and his codices can be used to field a variety of strong army styles. Blood Angels seemed a bit ho-hum, but Space Marines and Grey Knights are both pretty fun.

Marine player, huh

Ever try playing against them with a non-marine army, when they're taking a 'competitive list' and bending his poorly-written rules to breaking point?

I've played marines, in most flavors, using friend's codecii. Writing a fun list is easy, and doable, but you'd be amazed at the cheesy feth you can work up if you want to for competition play.

The necrons, for me, are a terror army. They are hard to keep down, have little individuality and are their fluff is hints and rumours rather than OTT 'one hero does this, and that, and that' .

Ruleswise I want them to be different from the other armies out there. Not more powerful, but actually different in feel and rules. Likelyhood is that they're going to read as Marines without the vehicle support, and with more poorly worded rules.

I'd be happy, frankly, with an errata PDF that altered a few points values, updated the Monolith's rules to 5th edition and gave us some protection against insta-sweep.

A properly written, clear, concise and legible codex, with fluff that doesn't make me want to bin my spendy new book and characters that are interesting and engaging to play, rather than win-buttons would be great. The Dark Eldar book is by and large like this.

Vhalyar wrote: ...Space Marines and Grey Knights are both pretty fun.

Grey Knights would be fun if you can get past the sheer idiocy of the fluff. I say sheer idiocy, there isn't really a word for it. "Eye-bleedingly moronic" could be close.

Scarey Nerd wrote:

Vhalyar wrote: ...Space Marines and Grey Knights are both pretty fun.

Grey Knights would be fun if you can get past the sheer idiocy of the fluff. I say sheer idiocy, there isn't really a word for it. "Eye-bleedingly moronic" could be close.

That's not fluff in there, it's more akin to broken glass...covered in thorns. So the GK's broken glass covered in thorns is hard to read and accept.

Azure wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:

Vhalyar wrote: ...Space Marines and Grey Knights are both pretty fun.

Grey Knights would be fun if you can get past the sheer idiocy of the fluff. I say sheer idiocy, there isn't really a word for it. "Eye-bleedingly moronic" could be close.

That's not fluff in there, it's more akin to broken glass...covered in thorns. So the GK's broken glass covered in thorns is hard to read and accept.

AKA it is garbage, and the rules are pretty much sternguard with storm bolters, semi-force weapons and kinda psychic powers with broken special character choices

So what are the most recent rumours saying? Are we talking August or November?

Ascalam wrote:Hope is the mind-killer

I have little to no hope for the Crons, right now. I may just have to hang on to my old codex when the new one hits, like a lot of Nid players did...

That said, new necron models would be nice

Isn't fear the mind-killer?

asimo77 wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Hope is the mind-killer

I have little to no hope for the Crons, right now. I may just have to hang on to my old codex when the new one hits, like a lot of Nid players did...

That said, new necron models would be nice

Isn't fear the mind-killer?

yes, fear IS the mind killer

Archonate wrote:
Don't be surprised if there's even a fluff piece in the new Necron codex involving Mephiston brawling a C'tan on the surface of a sun... Naked.

Seen as though Ward is writing it I wouldn't be surprised if he was doing something else with a C'tan naked on the surface of a sun.
Bit of Blood Angel and Necron lovin'

Mantle wrote:

Archonate wrote:
Don't be surprised if there's even a fluff piece in the new Necron codex involving Mephiston brawling a C'tan on the surface of a sun... Naked.

Seen as though Ward is writing it I'd wouldn't be surprised if he was doing something else with a C'tan naked on the surface of a sun.
Bit of Blood Angel and Necron lovin'

autoeroticism

'yes, fear IS the mind killer '

Dune quotes, and deliberate misquotes , ftw ...

lol, now if we can just get a decent cron codex

Ascalam wrote:Marine player, huh

I play Tyranids actually.
His codices were all very Space Marine-like because... they were all Space Marine variants. He hasn't done anything to indicate that he'll turn every xenos he touches into "marines, except worse".

So there's three options for the codex author.
- Kelly. He's busy with other things though.
- Cruddace. Over the top IG options, abysmal handling of a xenos race.
- Ward. Very bad fluff, but solid SM rules that pull towards the top.

Getting Ward means Necrons will have plenty of stupid background stories, but it at least looks good for their rules. I'll take him over Cruddace any day.

If all the new codex gave us was slight tweaks to abilities and point costs I'd be terribly disappointed.

As for the fluff whining from the others, if it bothers you... skip it. It has zero effect on how a model plays.

Edit: Concerning the power level, Cruddace's Imperial Guards are still a head above SM, BA and GK in power level and Kelly's Space Wolves still much more easily abused. Complain all you want, at least he didn't make the two most ridiculously powerful armies.
At this point it'd better to bring the older codices to par with these (like the Dark Eldar) rather than try to bring everything back down.

I'll agree with you on one thing at least

Cruddace would be worse :(

I am a Tyranid player and I like Cruddace. His IG Codex is fluffy and highly competitive. His Tyranid Codex is highly fluffy with lots of new options, great for modellers but not so competitive compared to the crazy Codices released around it. Still, his Tyranid Codex was inspiring for more than a year of conversion work. Thanks for that.

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

asimo77 wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Hope is the mind-killer

I have little to no hope for the Crons, right now. I may just have to hang on to my old codex when the new one hits, like a lot of Nid players did...

That said, new necron models would be nice

Isn't fear the mind-killer?

yes, fear IS the mind killer

It's not a big deal. I just let my fear pass over me and through me.

Kroothawk I'm going to have to disagree with the more options part of the new codex. While we did get more units quite a few are worthless or completely outshinned by others.

FlammingGaunt wrote:While we did get more units quite a few are worthless or completely outshinned by others.

Some Tyranids evolve better shins than others... It's to be expected really.