Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.
CalasTyphon216 wrote:someone obviously hasn't read ADB's Night lords books......
I just don't like taking away the one redeeming quality of DA currently (Except for Ravenwing) And put it into a combat hulk. Also, Night Lords are quite fond of their fanatical Jump Troops. Ergo, it should probably be Raptors. BL =/= Canon.
BL =/= Canon? YOu have got to be joking mate
Glory to the Twelfth! Glory to Angron!
"Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls. The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does. That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
—Captain Khârn of the World Eaters Legion's 8th Assault Company, from his unpublished treatise The Eighteen Legions
In a way it doesn't. I think more accurate would be BL=adds to/creates several different versions of cannon, which all contradict eachother and lead to gigantic clusterf!!! arguments
I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own...
... Which is why GW needs to consolidate and standardize their fluff. No more of this "alternate universe" garbage, everything happens in the same galaxy, same universe, and it makes sense. That isn't really that hard, except for the past decade GW has been playing hide and seek with canon material.
No, they have been playing "Let's get people writing the fluff so it is interersting and freescope." No writer likes being restricted, except by those he places upon himself. |If GW places fluff restrictions on BL then it gives the writers a tougher job, their boooks will take longer, meaning longer untill it hits the shelves. GW are a BUISNESS. Like any good buiusness, they don't care about individuals, they want their money, and by doing so they use consumer attraction techniques by providing matierials and places to use those matierials, so long as you use THEIR matierials. They are being smart.
I'm celebrating 8 years on Dakka Dakka!
I started an Instagram! Follow me at Deadshot Miniatures! DR:90+S++G+++M+B+IPw40k08#-D+++A+++/cwd363R+++T(Ot)DM+ Check out my Deathwatch story, Aftermath in the fiction section!
Credit to Castiel for banner. Thanks Cas!
??? THE SCARAB LORD WS4 BS4 S4 T4 W3 I2 A* LD10 SV2+
Unit Type: Beast (Character)
Wargear: Scarab Form
Special Rules: IC, Fearless, Feel No Pain, Canoptek Explosion
Scarab Form: ??? is made entirely of Canoptek Scarabs, and as such benefits from all of their rules (with the exception of Swarms). He also has D6 attacks per turn. In addition, the volume of Scarabs is so dense that ??? is granted a 2+ Armour save that may be re-rolled once during the Assault phase.
Canoptek Explosion: When ??? loses his last wound, roll 3D6 and place that many Canoptek Scarab bases in place of ???'s model. Thise Scarabs gain the Preferred Enemy special rule against ???'s killer.
??? THE WRAITH LORD WS4 BS4 S6 T4 W3 I2 A4 LD10 SV3++
Unit Type: Jump Infantry (Character)
Wargear: Phase Shifter, Whip Coils, Transdimensional Sight, Phase Orb
Special Rules: IC, Fearless, Phase Attacks, Wraithflight
Transdimensional Sight: This counts as twin-linked Transdimensional Beamer.
Phase Orb: When ??? loses his last wound, roll a D6. On a 4+ ??? is not slain, but is placed back in Reserve, and may re-renter at the earliest opportunity.
TEPKHARA THE NULLMANCER WS4 BS4 S4 T4 W1 I2 A1 LD10 SV4+
Unit Type: Infantry (Character)
Wargear: Banelight Staff
Special Rules: IC, Reanimation Protocols, Ever-Living
Banelight Staff: This weapon grants Tepkhara a 3+ Invulnerable save against enemy Psychic Powers. In addition, it can use a ranged attack (12" S5 AP- Assault 1 Rending) during the Shooting phase, which will wound psychic-models (Psykers, Daemons, Synapse creatures, etc) on a roll of 2+, regardless of their Toughness.
Deadshot wrote:No, they have been playing "Let's get people writing the fluff so it is interersting and freescope." No writer likes being restricted, except by those he places upon himself. |If GW places fluff restrictions on BL then it gives the writers a tougher job, their boooks will take longer, meaning longer untill it hits the shelves. GW are a BUISNESS. Like any good buiusness, they don't care about individuals, they want their money, and by doing so they use consumer attraction techniques by providing matierials and places to use those matierials, so long as you use THEIR matierials. They are being smart.
Not really. If GW creates a coherant background, then all stories adhere to it rather than being a collection of random tales only associated by the name on the spine, each ultimately having different tech, characters, races, etc.
No restriction = you write your own book in your own world. Writing in someone elses universe = invaribly, there's a preset background and history you expect to adhere to. This actually makes things quicker as you have a LOT of stuff already done for you.
If you want to write a Star Wars book, there's a list of do's and don'ts, and there's established peoples / planets, etc. I can write a book that says theres a new character, on a new planet, fighting new aliens. I cant write that Luke Skywalker is now 4 feet higher, and is now capable of taking on 1000 Storm Troopers at once with his eyes closed in a standup fight, and that Han Solo wasn't a smuggler, he made pottery. For Darth Vader. Who like ponies.
If the Star Wars franchise was ran by Black Library - I probably could, because no one had actually said anything was different.
If you're too thick to be able to write within a universe and adhere to existing ideas and principles, you probably shouldn't be writing within it. But GW has been so deliberately vague that the writers are forced to basically make almost everything up on the spot as they go, which leads to a MASSIVE confusing universe full of arguments and inconsistencies.
I mean, in some books Space Marines average at 7-8 feet, in others 12 feet, I'm sure in others it can be bigger. In some they're god like and unstoppable, in others they get picked off like flies (apart from the hero naturally). If you can't even come out and verify what your ICONIC PRODUCT is to the point there's arguments about it, you're either doing something wrong, or being deliberately 'ignorant'.
This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2012/04/24 10:41:50
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
NeoAigaion wrote:Some more Necron specials...
??? THE SCARAB LORD WS4 BS4 S4 T4 W3 I2 A* LD10 SV2+
Unit Type: Beast (Character)
Wargear: Scarab Form
Special Rules: IC, Fearless, Feel No Pain, Canoptek Explosion
Scarab Form: ??? is made entirely of Canoptek Scarabs, and as such benefits from all of their rules (with the exception of Swarms). He also has D6 attacks per turn. In addition, the volume of Scarabs is so dense that ??? is granted a 2+ Armour save that may be re-rolled once during the Assault phase.
Canoptek Explosion: When ??? loses his last wound, roll 3D6 and place that many Canoptek Scarab bases in place of ???'s model. Thise Scarabs gain the Preferred Enemy special rule against ???'s killer.
??? THE WRAITH LORD WS4 BS4 S6 T4 W3 I2 A4 LD10 SV3++
Unit Type: Jump Infantry (Character)
Wargear: Phase Shifter, Whip Coils, Transdimensional Sight, Phase Orb
Special Rules: IC, Fearless, Phase Attacks, Wraithflight
Transdimensional Sight: This counts as twin-linked Transdimensional Beamer.
Phase Orb: When ??? loses his last wound, roll a D6. On a 4+ ??? is not slain, but is placed back in Reserve, and may re-renter at the earliest opportunity.
TEPKHARA THE NULLMANCER WS4 BS4 S4 T4 W1 I2 A1 LD10 SV4+
Unit Type: Infantry (Character)
Wargear: Banelight Staff
Special Rules: IC, Reanimation Protocols, Ever-Living
Banelight Staff: This weapon grants Tepkhara a 3+ Invulnerable save against enemy Psychic Powers. In addition, it can use a ranged attack (12" S5 AP- Assault 1 Rending) during the Shooting phase, which will wound psychic-models (Psykers, Daemons, Synapse creatures, etc) on a roll of 2+, regardless of their Toughness.
No. A wraithlord character should not have less than S10 T8 W3 I4 SV3+, like normal ones have. And they should NOT have jump infantry imo. They're MC.
I should think of a new signature... In the meantime, have a
??? THE SCARAB LORD WS4 BS4 S4 T4 W3 I2 A* LD10 SV2+
Unit Type: Beast (Character)
Wargear: Scarab Form
Special Rules: IC, Fearless, Feel No Pain, Canoptek Explosion
Scarab Form: ??? is made entirely of Canoptek Scarabs, and as such benefits from all of their rules (with the exception of Swarms). He also has D6 attacks per turn. In addition, the volume of Scarabs is so dense that ??? is granted a 2+ Armour save that may be re-rolled once during the Assault phase.
Canoptek Explosion: When ??? loses his last wound, roll 3D6 and place that many Canoptek Scarab bases in place of ???'s model. Thise Scarabs gain the Preferred Enemy special rule against ???'s killer.
??? THE WRAITH LORD WS4 BS4 S6 T4 W3 I2 A4 LD10 SV3++
Unit Type: Jump Infantry (Character)
Wargear: Phase Shifter, Whip Coils, Transdimensional Sight, Phase Orb
Special Rules: IC, Fearless, Phase Attacks, Wraithflight
Transdimensional Sight: This counts as twin-linked Transdimensional Beamer.
Phase Orb: When ??? loses his last wound, roll a D6. On a 4+ ??? is not slain, but is placed back in Reserve, and may re-renter at the earliest opportunity.
TEPKHARA THE NULLMANCER WS4 BS4 S4 T4 W1 I2 A1 LD10 SV4+
Unit Type: Infantry (Character)
Wargear: Banelight Staff
Special Rules: IC, Reanimation Protocols, Ever-Living
Banelight Staff: This weapon grants Tepkhara a 3+ Invulnerable save against enemy Psychic Powers. In addition, it can use a ranged attack (12" S5 AP- Assault 1 Rending) during the Shooting phase, which will wound psychic-models (Psykers, Daemons, Synapse creatures, etc) on a roll of 2+, regardless of their Toughness.
No. A wraithlord character should not have less than S10 T8 W3 I4 SV3+, like normal ones have. And they should NOT have jump infantry imo. They're MC.
It's a Necron Lord of the Wraith variety, Hence a Wraith Lord, not an Eldar Wraithlord.
For my RPG. Note that these are not all my creations, and are subject to balance modification.
Castiel wrote:Sgt. Marius Aloysus – Knights of the Basilisk (Tactical squad)
WSBS S T W I A LdSv Points 4 4 4 4 2 4 2 10 3+ 50
Unit type: Infantry
Wargear: Power Armour
Close combat weapon
Frag and Krak Grenades
Combi-melta
Special Rules: And They Shall Know No Fear
Company Tactics
Relentless
BlapBlapBlap wrote:Captain Dreph Kalar, Bringer of Fate - 250pts?
WS 6
BS 5
S 4
T 4
W 3
I 5
A 3
Ld 10
Sv 2+/5++
Unit Type - Infantry
Unit Composition - 1 (Unique)
Wargear - Terminator Armour, The Harpy, Talon of Thoth
The Harpy - This is a master forged Storm Bolter, able to tear apart even Power Armour with ease. This is a weapon with the following profile - Str 4, AP 3, Rng 12", Assault 3
Talon of Thoth - This is a Lightning Claw that may make an extra attack for each wound Dreph has remaining.
Special Rules - Fearless, Genetic Enhancements, For the Emperor!, Independent Character
Genetic Enhancements - Thanks to an unorthodox and radical procedure performed on him by Fabius Bile, Dreph has Eternal Warrior and Feel no Pain
For the Emperor! - Dreph is utterly devoted to his cause, inspiring others around to him to even greater feats of valour. An army that includes Dreph replaces Company Tactics for this rule. A unit under the effect of For the Emperor! gains Furious Charge.
Deadshot wrote:Here's Hectoris
Sgt Caecilius Hectoris of the Jaded Watch, Terminator Assault squad of the Emperor's children.
Upgrade for 1 Terminator Assault Squad. Replaces Sgt. All Terminators must be armed with Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields. +30pts
Special Rules
Combat Squads
Fearsome Reputation.
Hectoris is a ruthless perfectionist, and he believes that to retreat is an imperfection. His squad know well that that to do so will earn them a number opf lashes across the chest, delivered by a plasteel chain by Hectoris' hand.
Hectoris and his squad are Fearless
Melee master.
In an assault, Hectoris may pick out enemy characters and single them out if in base contact with one, believe his superior skills are needed to beat the champion. He may choose to direct all of his attacks against said character, even if it is an upgrade character. The only time he may not do this is if the character has a retinue or similar (such as Tyrant Guard). However, due to his aggression, he stands out a lot, so enemies may always single him out in Close Combat.
Company Tactics
Patrion to the Legion
Being a perfectionist, Hectoris does everything he can to be a true child of the Emperor. His squad, and only his squad, gain the abilities of Legion Tactics specified on Dreph Kalar. If Kalar is included in the same army, this has no effect.
Lord Magnus wrote:
Antioch
WSBS S T W I A LdSv Points
5 4 4 4 2 4 3 10 3+ 75
Wargear:
Bolter
Bolt Pistol
Power Sword
Power Armour
Frag and Krak Grenades
Special Rules:
ATSKNF Company Tactics
Furious Charge
Preferred Enemy - Orks
admiral9 wrote:Battle brother devestator Rephosus replaces one devestator 50 points
WS 3
BS 5
S 3
T 4
W 2
I 3
Ld 8
Sv 3+ 6++
Wargear
missile launcher
Hand crafted armour
Bionic eye
Special rules
Unquestioning loyalty
ATSKNF
Bionic eye:reroll scatter.
Unquestioning loyalty:when he is deployed with sergeant segari he gains fearless and LD10 because he will never ashame his sergeant by retreating
The invul save comes from the hand crafted armor.
Hope you enjoy!
BlapBlapBlap: bringing idiocy and mischief where it should never set foot since 2011.
BlapBlapBlap wrote:What sort of idiot quotes themselves in their sigs? Who could possibly be that arrogant?
Diomedes Hadrianus, Primarch’s Equerry, Lord of Battle, Master of the 5th, XX Legio
300 points
Type: Infantry (unique)
WS7 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I5 A4 Ld10 Sv2+
Wargear: Artificer armor, Iron halo, frag and krak grenades
Axes of Lernea: 2 power weapons that strike at Strength 6
Hydra’s Venom: 2 plasma pistols fired with the following profile: Range 18 S7 AP2 Assault 2 Twin-linked Get’s Hot
Special Rules: Independent Character, Eternal Warrior
Authority of the Primarch: The squad joined by Diomedes gains the Fearless USR
Legion Tactics: All units replace the Combat Tactics special rule with the Infiltrate USR
Thunderous Charge: Instead of making normal attacks, once per game, Diomedes can inflict 1 automatic hit against every model in an enemy unit. However, this reckless charge is prone to letting his guard down. In the same combat, he is hit automatically, and must re-roll successful saves.
Lord of Battle: At the end of every round of close combat, mark down the number of unsaved wounds inflicted by Diomedes. Consult the following table for results:
0-5 wounds: Warming up. Nothing happens
6-10 wounds: Getting into stride. Gains Preferred Enemy
11-15 wounds: Momentum. Gains +1 Initiative and +1 Attack
16-20 wounds: Ascendency. Gains Furious Charge and Fleet(conveyed to squad)
21+ wounds: Lord of Battle. Can re-roll all failed to wound rolls(conveyed to squad). Gains a further +1 Initiative and +2 Attacks.
Results are cumulative. Note that only directly caused wounds apply, not sweeping advance.
Master of the 5th: Diomedes may select either a Honor Guard squad or a Command Squad.
Whirlwind of Blades: Diomedes can reroll failed saves against ranged weapons
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/04/30 13:03:40
Glory to the Twelfth! Glory to Angron!
"Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls. The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does. That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
—Captain Khârn of the World Eaters Legion's 8th Assault Company, from his unpublished treatise The Eighteen Legions
Nor really a proposed rule- more just general discussion as GW would never let you make up special rules/wargear.
You can invent backstory for guys with normal stuff ie captain with lightning claws stole them from red corsairs etc..
But its quite a dumb rule
"Whoever said pain was only temporary?"- Racheuis, Dark Eldar Haemonculus
3000 pts Dark Angels 2000pts Guard 1000 pts Eldar 1500 pts White Scars
Lightning Shadows wrote:Nor really a proposed rule- more just general discussion as GW would never let you make up special rules/wargear.
You can invent backstory for guys with normal stuff ie captain with lightning claws stole them from red corsairs etc..
But its quite a dumb rule
What?
I can't quite make sense of what you said there tbh...
GW generally has no problem with you creating your own rules - for Apoc it's practically encouraged.
Scratchbuilding / conversions mean they still get money ( so you have enough GW product in each model to use in their stores).
I mean, I've used entire scratchbuilt / modified codexes in my local GW before, I often take my mini-titan in for games, and the staff even review and comment on the fluff / rules / gear I've made for my extended codex units / apoc stuff.
Lightning Shadows wrote:Nor really a proposed rule- more just general discussion as GW would never let you make up special rules/wargear.
You can invent backstory for guys with normal stuff ie captain with lightning claws stole them from red corsairs etc..
But its quite a dumb rule
No GW would never let you use these in a tournament. Yes the GW stores would let you play friendly matches with it. Yes a lot of good friends will allow (BALANCED) special characters in friendly games, especially in campaigns. You might not but some people need to switch it up to keep the game more interesting. If you don't like it then don't let your opponent play one. Most of the characters here I wouldn't play against haha
4500 Points
3500 (1500 painting, using Lizardmen models) http://imgur.com/a/Y28Fw#0 3000 Points of Heralds of Arcadia (Space Marines)
CalasTyphon216 wrote:Diomedes Hadrianus, Primarch’s Equerry, Lord of Battle, Master of the 5th, XX Legio
300 points
Type: Infantry (unique)
WS7 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I5 A4 Ld10 Sv2+
Wargear: Artificer armor, Iron halo, frag and krak grenades
Axes of Lernea: 2 power weapons that strike at Strength 6
Hydra’s Venom: 2 plasma pistols fired with the following profile: Range 18 S7 AP2 Assault 2 Twin-linked Get’s Hot
Special Rules: Independent Character, Eternal Warrior
Authority of the Primarch: The squad joined by Diomedes gains the Fearless USR
Legion Tactics: All units replace the Combat Tactics special rule with the Infiltrate USR
Thunderous Charge: Instead of making normal attacks, once per game, Diomedes can inflict 1 automatic hit against every model in an enemy unit. However, this reckless charge is prone to letting his guard down. In the same combat, he is hit automatically, and must re-roll successful saves.
Lord of Battle: At the end of every round of close combat, mark down the number of unsaved wounds inflicted by Diomedes. Consult the following table for results:
0-5 wounds: Warming up. Nothing happens
6-10 wounds: Getting into stride. Gains Preferred Enemy
11-15 wounds: Momentum. Gains +1 Initiative and +1 Attack
16-20 wounds: Ascendency. Gains Furious Charge and Fleet(conveyed to squad)
21+ wounds: Lord of Battle. Can re-roll all failed to wound rolls(conveyed to squad). Gains a further +1 Initiative and +2 Attacks.
Results are cumulative. Note that only directly caused wounds apply, not sweeping advance.
Master of the 5th: Diomedes may select either a Honor Guard squad or a Command Squad.
Whirlwind of Blades: Diomedes can reroll failed saves against ranged weapons
This guy is pretty over powered...
I highlighted the worst parts in red but why does he need 2 axes and 2 plasma pistols?
Dakka Bingo! By Ouze "You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry.
CalasTyphon216 wrote:Diomedes Hadrianus, Primarch’s Equerry, Lord of Battle, Master of the 5th, XX Legio
Spoiler:
300 points
Type: Infantry (unique)
WS7 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I5 A4 Ld10 Sv2+
Wargear: Artificer armor, Iron halo, frag and krak grenades
Axes of Lernea: 2 power weapons that strike at Strength 6
Hydra’s Venom: 2 plasma pistols fired with the following profile: Range 18 S7 AP2 Assault 2 Twin-linked Get’s Hot
Special Rules: Independent Character, Eternal Warrior
Authority of the Primarch: The squad joined by Diomedes gains the Fearless USR
Legion Tactics: All units replace the Combat Tactics special rule with the Infiltrate USR
Thunderous Charge: Instead of making normal attacks, once per game, Diomedes can inflict 1 automatic hit against every model in an enemy unit. However, this reckless charge is prone to letting his guard down. In the same combat, he is hit automatically, and must re-roll successful saves.
Lord of Battle: At the end of every round of close combat, mark down the number of unsaved wounds inflicted by Diomedes. Consult the following table for results:
0-5 wounds: Warming up. Nothing happens
6-10 wounds: Getting into stride. Gains Preferred Enemy
11-15 wounds: Momentum. Gains +1 Initiative and +1 Attack
16-20 wounds: Ascendency. Gains Furious Charge and Fleet(conveyed to squad)
21+ wounds: Lord of Battle. Can re-roll all failed to wound rolls(conveyed to squad). Gains a further +1 Initiative and +2 Attacks.
Results are cumulative. Note that only directly caused wounds apply, not sweeping advance.
Master of the 5th: Diomedes may select either a Honor Guard squad or a Command Squad.
Whirlwind of Blades: Diomedes can reroll failed saves against ranged weapons
From what you had about 2 hours ago you added Whirlwind of Blades, the OP plasma pistols, and the ability to attack EVERY model in the unit (which is beyond over powered) for 20 points.... What does it matter if he's automatically hit if he kills everything first.... You quickly went from "iffy" to "No, never, not even close, not interested in playing you at all"
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/04/30 13:21:09
4500 Points
3500 (1500 painting, using Lizardmen models) http://imgur.com/a/Y28Fw#0 3000 Points of Heralds of Arcadia (Space Marines)
plus, hes a pre-heresy character. Most pre-heresy marines were insanely good. Look at the stats for marines in the Heresy campaign that someone wrote
Glory to the Twelfth! Glory to Angron!
"Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls. The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does. That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
—Captain Khârn of the World Eaters Legion's 8th Assault Company, from his unpublished treatise The Eighteen Legions
Rule of Cool is all well and good, and having it on the model is good, but you still need balance. Just because fluffwise he's a combat giant that can destroy anything and everything, doesn't mean on the table he can be and remain something people will play against.
I mean, fluff-wise a regular squad of space wolves could take on an entire 'nid army and win, or the Decapitator (and numerous other infiltrators) would be able to appear, enter combat, and kill everything they touch.
Or my character Persephone would be able to step in and out of the webway and kill everything she touches.
But they can't really do that (or if they do you're looking at stuff that costs 1000+ pts)
Abaddon in his current ruleset easily does pretty much the same thing, and he is cheaper into the bargain
Glory to the Twelfth! Glory to Angron!
"Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls. The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does. That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
—Captain Khârn of the World Eaters Legion's 8th Assault Company, from his unpublished treatise The Eighteen Legions
Abbadon can't sweeping advance, doesn't give everyone infiltrate, no broken special rules like thunderous charge/lord of battle, can't have a command/honour guard squad, and can't re-roll failed saves against ranged weapons. Also, no super plasma pistol.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/04/30 14:35:48
I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own...
CalasTyphon216 wrote:Abaddon in his current ruleset easily does pretty much the same thing, and he is cheaper into the bargain
Not really. He gets +D6 attacks (for a max of 11 on the charge) at S8, re-rolling any failed to-wound rolls, plus a twin-linked bolter and the Eternal Warrior special rule. That's not exactly the same as hitting every single model in the enemy unit once.
Abaddon dosen't gain +1 attack for charge. He has either 4, or betwee 6-10. (if you roll a 1 on the deamon weapon it eats him)
Experience is something you get just after you need it The Narkos Dynasty - 15k Iron Hands - 12k The Shadewatch - 3k Cadmus Outriders - 4k Alpha Legion Raiders - 3k
5.000 
2.000
4500 Points
3500 (1500 painting, using Lizardmen models) 
3000 Points of Heralds of Arcadia (Space Marines) 
" -KingCracker
The Narkos Dynasty - 15k
Iron Hands - 12k 
Cadmus Outriders - 4k