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Lukus83 wrote:Not normally one for putting out rumours but I have heard from someone who *may* have access to certain information that the second wave will not include Scythes. If this is true I will be sorely disappointed (though this person said they will be part of the third wave).

...
wait,
"third WAVE"?
as in, there will be more than just the Scythes held back?!
>:O
I swear to god, if it's anything more than just the stuff Forge World is working on for IA12, I'm gonna go on a table flipping spree...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/442757.page#4145437

Someone mentioned a "what is the best Harbinger thread", didn't they?

skoffs wrote:

Lukus83 wrote:Not normally one for putting out rumours but I have heard from someone who *may* have access to certain information that the second wave will not include Scythes. If this is true I will be sorely disappointed (though this person said they will be part of the third wave).

...
wait,
"third WAVE"?
as in, there will be more than just the Scythes held back?!
>:O
I swear to god, if it's anything more than just the stuff Forge World is working on for IA12, I'm gonna go on a table flipping spree...

Well, it looks like I'll continue to proxy my Voidraven as a Night Scythe then...

IHateNids wrote:

DarkStarSabre wrote:

IHateNids wrote:I will seriously shelf my crons if we aren't getting scythes till november (at soonest)

EDIT: then again, my other 40k army is Tau, and they ain't due untill 2013

As a Tyranid player I really have no sympathy for you. You're kicking off that it might be a year for you to get a further wave.

Need I remind you we only 'just' got Tervigons?

How long ago was your Codex released?

I'm actually just asking so I know what I should/might/could expect

Nids came out january 2010 from what my memory recalls.

so its been 2 years just to get tervigons by that time most people have converted their carnifexs up anyways.

DarkStarSabre wrote:

IHateNids wrote:I will seriously shelf my crons if we aren't getting scythes till november (at soonest)

EDIT: then again, my other 40k army is Tau, and they ain't due untill 2013

As a Tyranid player I really have no sympathy for you. You're kicking off that it might be a year for you to get a further wave.

Need I remind you we only 'just' got Tervigons?

Yes, but Nids have had a Codex update every single edition so far, and they are the only Xenos that have gotten that treatment as far as I'm aware.

Necrons Took 8 Years for their codex update, expecting a second wave sooner than later, is perfectly reasonable.

Weren't orks also updated every edition?

Matt.Kingsley wrote:Weren't orks also updated every edition?

Just barely (their 4th edition scraped in before the release of 5th I think), but it seems unlikely they will get a 5th edition update before 6th comes out this summer.

Can't wait for 6th as it should be coming out on my birthday
finally I get something nice from GW where I don't have to wait months, or years, to get the appropriate models

Lukus83 wrote:Not normally one for putting out rumours but I have heard from someone who *may* have access to certain information that the second wave will not include Scythes. If this is true I will be sorely disappointed (though this person said they will be part of the third wave) . He/she also said that the release is definitely next month and will include Wraiths.

Man, that's another nail in the coffin of me deciding to put my Necrons up for trade or sale...

Death By Monkeys wrote:

Lukus83 wrote:Not normally one for putting out rumours but I have heard from someone who *may* have access to certain information that the second wave will not include Scythes. If this is true I will be sorely disappointed (though this person said they will be part of the third wave) . He/she also said that the release is definitely next month and will include Wraiths.

Man, that's another nail in the coffin of me deciding to put my Necrons up for trade or sale...

yea, sell them now (and then if this one single rumor that doesn't seam to match up with any of the others doesn't come true, we can laugh togeather)

Brother Weasel wrote:

Death By Monkeys wrote:

Lukus83 wrote:Not normally one for putting out rumours but I have heard from someone who *may* have access to certain information that the second wave will not include Scythes. If this is true I will be sorely disappointed (though this person said they will be part of the third wave) . He/she also said that the release is definitely next month and will include Wraiths.

Man, that's another nail in the coffin of me deciding to put my Necrons up for trade or sale...

yea, sell them now (and then if this one single rumor that doesn't seam to match up with any of the others doesn't come true, we can laugh togeather)

I'd love to trade them - problem is, with 6th Ed lurking on the horizon, I'm not sure what I'd trade them for! Who knows how 6th will shift the metagame, whether it will still be a game of squishies in boxes armed with heat rays or if it will lurch to something else.

4th Ed = Las/Plas
5th Ed = Missiles/Melta
6th Ed = ?????

4th Ed = Las/Plas
5th Ed = Missiles/Melta
6th Ed = ?????

Obviously it will be Heavy Bolters/Grenade Launchers

Death By Monkeys wrote:

Brother Weasel wrote:

Death By Monkeys wrote:

Lukus83 wrote:Not normally one for putting out rumours but I have heard from someone who *may* have access to certain information that the second wave will not include Scythes. If this is true I will be sorely disappointed (though this person said they will be part of the third wave) . He/she also said that the release is definitely next month and will include Wraiths.

Man, that's another nail in the coffin of me deciding to put my Necrons up for trade or sale...

yea, sell them now (and then if this one single rumor that doesn't seam to match up with any of the others doesn't come true, we can laugh togeather)

I'd love to trade them - problem is, with 6th Ed lurking on the horizon, I'm not sure what I'd trade them for! Who knows how 6th will shift the metagame, whether it will still be a game of squishies in boxes armed with heat rays or if it will lurch to something else.

4th Ed = Las/Plas
5th Ed = Missiles/Melta
6th Ed = ?????

Yeah,
You know you could keep/collect them because their cool... Or is having the meta winning army something you crave.

Panic...

Kirasu wrote:

4th Ed = Las/Plas
5th Ed = Missiles/Melta
6th Ed = ?????

Obviously it will be Heavy Bolters/Grenade Launchers

My vote is dangerous terrain/slowed movement...
Or hamsters... wickedly dangerous hamsters.

Panic wrote:Yeah,
You know you could keep/collect them because their cool... Or is having the meta winning army something you crave.

Panic...

You're right, Panic. I could keep/collect them because they're cool.

But they're not -that- cool.

I want to play and collect a competitive, effective army. I don't care that much about having a meta winning army. If I did, I would've played GK for longer than two months or would've started a Space Wolf army by now.

While I used to enjoy converting and scratchbuilding models, I just don't have the time to do it anymore. And frankly, IMO, for Necrons to be effective and competitive, you need to put Night Scythes on the table. So, I can shelve my grand worth of Necrons until GW (or some third party) puts out some Night Scythes. But that's locking up good trade stock that I could put to use for an army that is more fun (and more competitive) to play.

Personally, I think this is more poor decisionmaking on GW's part - I'd love to see GW produce a high-quality, competitive Xenos army. And in truth, they're getting closer. While Tyranids were fail, DE are better (though still not as competitive as Flavor-of-the-Week Space Marines - not counting CSM), and Necrons are better still, though still don't have the tools to have more than a couple competitive builds. If GW wanted to keep the excitement for Necrons, their next release would include the Scythe kits, which are a pretty key ingredient to the army. Instead, it's looking like the Scythe gets the back burner to wait for 6th Ed and a Power-Armor vs. Power-Armor starter set. Xenos get pushed aside again.

I'd love for Necrons to be a fun enough and cool enough army for me to want to keep playing. But right now, I'm not convinced. And by the time the models come out that might convince me, my attention will probably be caught by something that is cooler, more fun, and more competitive.

Death By Monkeys wrote: And frankly, IMO, for Necrons to be effective and competitive, you need to put Night Scythes on the table. So, I can shelve my grand worth of Necrons until GW (or some third party) puts out some Night Scythes. But that's locking up good trade stock that I could put to use for an army that is more fun (and more competitive) to play.

I certainly agree with you in that GW's 'business' decisions don't make a lot of business sense. However, I disagree with you in that Necrons need Night Scythes to be effective and competitive.

Scarab swarm isn't the only effective, competitive, and fun Necron list.
MTO/WraithWing isn't the only effective, competitive, and fun Necron list.
Tremorcon isn't the only effective, competitive, and fun Necron list.

I really enjoy my Necrons, but if you don't then maybe you should trade in those Necrons.

Panic wrote:

Death By Monkeys wrote:

Brother Weasel wrote:

Death By Monkeys wrote:

Lukus83 wrote:Not normally one for putting out rumours but I have heard from someone who *may* have access to certain information that the second wave will not include Scythes. If this is true I will be sorely disappointed (though this person said they will be part of the third wave) . He/she also said that the release is definitely next month and will include Wraiths.

Man, that's another nail in the coffin of me deciding to put my Necrons up for trade or sale...

yea, sell them now (and then if this one single rumor that doesn't seam to match up with any of the others doesn't come true, we can laugh togeather)

I'd love to trade them - problem is, with 6th Ed lurking on the horizon, I'm not sure what I'd trade them for! Who knows how 6th will shift the metagame, whether it will still be a game of squishies in boxes armed with heat rays or if it will lurch to something else.

4th Ed = Las/Plas
5th Ed = Missiles/Melta
6th Ed = ?????

Yeah,
You know you could keep/collect them because their cool... Or is having the meta winning army something you crave.

Panic...

Some people enjoy competitive armies, believe it or not. Kudos for playing a hellion army, but that style just isn't for everyone.

Death By Monkeys wrote:Who knows how 6th will shift the metagame, whether it will still be a game of squishies in boxes armed with heat rays or if it will lurch to something else.

4th Ed = Las/Plas
5th Ed = Missiles/Melta
6th Ed = ?????

My money's on something related to DeepStrike and Assault getting a massive change up.
(that would explain the nerf Flayed Ones received, to a degree. Why else would GW seemingly decrease the effectiveness of a unit, while increasing their retail price? Obviously this makes very little business sense, as with those two factors no one would want to buy them... unless they had something in the works which would suddenly make them awesome again)

6th ED will make PE for shooting and assault
It will also add the 'Heavy' vehicle type
Finally, it will make combat weapons more powerful
As well as that, every codex released will get some flyer-esque vehicle

Matt.Kingsley wrote:6th ED will make PE for shooting and assault
It will also add the 'Heavy' vehicle type
Finally, it will make combat weapons more powerful
As well as that, every codex released will get some flyer-esque vehicle

I hope you are correct

So do I.. My razorwing jetfighter is just begging to be immune to powerfists and the like (dont know if thats what they're going to do but hitting a jetfighter with a powerfist just seems really silly)

on-topic: Would be cool to see (heavy) destroyers get a buff, they've really been underperforming for me due to me rolling really badly

It's easy to hit a jet with a Powerfist! You just punch the ground real hard, so you rokkit up to high-five it!

I've hated the fact that ANY "flying" vehicle can be hit by melee weapons.

But again, this is all Make-believe 40k!

by 'flyer-esque' I mean the fast, skimmer vehicles we're seeing now (Valkyrie, Storm Raven, Night Scythe, Doom Sythe, Razor Wing, e.t.c)
though *apperently* there are now rumors saying skimmers can only be hit in combat by Jetbikes and Jump Infantry, unless they are stunned/immoblised. When they can't move, they can get hit in melee by anyone

of couse, I've only just started hearing this, so I don't know whether it is true (PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE BE TRUE!)

anyway, let's start talking more about 'crons, and less about 6th ED

Matt.Kingsley wrote:by 'flyer-esque' I mean the fast, skimmer vehicles we're seeing now (Valkyrie, Storm Raven, Night Scythe, Doom Sythe, Razor Wing, e.t.c)
though *apperently* there are now rumors saying skimmers can only be hit in combat by Jetbikes and Jump Infantry, unless they are stunned/immoblised. When they can't move, they can get hit in melee by anyone

In the leaked 6E rulebook (which apparently isn't all that accurate as far as final products go), if a skimmer went fast enough that it left the board, turned around, and zoomed back on, something anything with the Supersonic rule could do, it couldn't be hit in CC at all. If it just flew around normally, it was basically in hover mode rather than flyer mode, and you'd hit it like any other vehicle.
We'll see how that ends up panning out once 6E is actually released.

Beasts of War wrote:The next release of Necrons are coming on May 5th 2012.

We don’t have any photos of the forthcoming release but we do have an artist’s sketch of the final Necron Triarch Stalker model. It looks very similar to the Codex art work and what allot of people have already built at home.



Our information suggests that the release will include the:

Triarch Stalker
Tomb Blade
Canoptek Wraith
Canoptek Spyder
Nemesor Zahndrekh
Vargard Obyron
Illuminor Szeras
Destroyer Lord Upgrade Pack
Heavy Destroyer Upgrade Pack

Kroothawk wrote:

Beasts of War wrote:

Spoiler:

Oh yay, a sketch. I'm thrilled BoW have shed some light on the new release with such magnificent material.

If a random poster did this they would be laughed out of the thread.

Beasts of War wrote:
Badly copy a sketch of the Stalker from the rulebook and call it rumours.

Ahaha hahaha aha aha aha haaa.

No scythes :(

Cryage wrote:No scythes :(

Maybe the flyer rumors are true and they're holding the scythes for 6th edition release?

Matt.Kingsley wrote:6th ED will make PE for shooting and assault
It will also add the 'Heavy' vehicle type
Finally, it will make combat weapons more powerful
As well as that, every codex released will get some flyer-esque vehicle

This would make sense, especially the PE for shooting. Otherwise, I don't think my Destroyers will ever see much play.