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MelcavukMade - Thanks for all the replies... very much appreciated.

Can you still get Meks in Lootas and Burna boy mobs? or are the HQ extras only?

Also, did Kommandos lose rokkits as an option?

Killsaw on a mek seems dumb. Expensive attack on a squishy 1 wound model that attacks last. He wont ever, ever get to use it unless his opponent misses everyone of his attacks.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Killsaw on a mek seems dumb. Expensive attack on a squishy 1 wound model that attacks last. He wont ever, ever get to use it unless his opponent misses everyone of his attacks.

Hm, I'm not so sure about that. If you put the mek in the middle of a boyz mob it's an extra PK that's super effective against vehicles. It depends on the points, but if you want to be truly orky and go all out assault they might be worth it for tankbustin'. 2 S7 armorbane attacks are nothing to be sniffed at!

oh, and Grabba Klaw... I haven't seen any info on that (points, rules, etc).

For the wreaking ball, I think it said it was like a shooting attack... does that mean you can't do it if you move in the shooting phase, or is it a drive by weapon?

 Watching Paint Dry wrote:
oh, and Grabba Klaw... I haven't seen any info on that (points, rules, etc).

For the wreaking ball, I think it said it was like a shooting attack... does that mean you can't do it if you move in the shooting phase, or is it a drive by weapon?

I think Melcavuk already covered these. If I recall this correctly, the Grabba Klaw can force a vehicle (not a flyer) to stop moving, I do not know for how long and how will it succeed (perhaps on 4+), so it's practically the same thing as before.

I do not know if the Wrecking Ball counts as a shooting attack, but it has a 3" range, S9, can't remember well its AP.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Killsaw on a mek seems dumb. Expensive attack on a squishy 1 wound model that attacks last. He wont ever, ever get to use it unless his opponent misses everyone of his attacks.

It's a chainfist. Nobody buys a chainfist to fight challenges with it.

So, what other supplements are we expecting (as well as Ghaz)?
- Speed Freaks would make sense (and may see the return of Wazdakka, so don't throw away those conversions yet)
- something for this new guy Grukk, possibly with a new model to match. Would make sense given they've gone to the trouble of setting him up in the fluff
- a flying circus (koptas and stormboyz as troops?) - would appeal to GW, as they'd sell a bucket load of models, especially if they release plastic koptas (although we've heard no more recently on that rumour)
- a walker army (kanz as troops, dredds as elites, special mek rules)
- just maybe a proper Loota army, although maybe not, given the half-hearted effort for Looted Wagons

Sorry, I'm not expecting anything for the Snakebites, unless FW is about to release lots of new suitable models. Ditto for a grot army :(

 Mumblez wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
Yeah guys, totally chill! I mean it's not like people have listed known issues or anything!

It definitely seems our characters will be in some trouble when challenged due to the lack of invulns. Thankfully warbosses are pretty tough so they should be able to survive what other characters can dish out and then just instant kill them with a PK. Nobs I would hesitate to accept challenges with - you'll need the bosspole to keep the unit in check, so why risk losing it fighting just one 'umie? Shooting shouldn't be as big of a problem, just use LO,S! a lot.

I don't think anybody was saying this new book was flawless, but it's what we have now and crying about it certainly won't help anyone. Just give it some time, we haven't even seen everything yet. Good lists will emerge. Until then, let's try to stay positive and figure out ways around the weaknesses we have.

I tried a challenge with a Nob...not good. The I6 killed him before he even swung.

 Clang wrote:
So, what other supplements are we expecting (as well as Ghaz)?
- Speed Freaks would make sense (and may see the return of Wazdakka, so don't throw away those conversions yet)
- something for this new guy Grukk, possibly with a new model to match. Would make sense given they've gone to the trouble of setting him up in the fluff
- a flying circus (koptas and stormboyz as troops?) - would appeal to GW, as they'd sell a bucket load of models, especially if they release plastic koptas (although we've heard no more recently on that rumour)
- a walker army (kanz as troops, dredds as elites, special mek rules)
- just maybe a proper Loota army, although maybe not, given the half-hearted effort for Looted Wagons

Sorry, I'm not expecting anything for the Snakebites, unless FW is about to release lots of new suitable models. Ditto for a grot army :(

I'm sure the kult of speed will be brought back in some way - people really love warbikaz and nob bikaz too.

I'd love to see a freebootaz book that would have snazzier troops. Imagine slugga boyz with two sluggaz instead of a choppa and slugga - being able to fire both and still assault! Or shoota boyz with kustom shootaz! Kaptinz! With fancy hats!

I doubt we'll get seperate klan books, but I think we might get a 'Codex Supplement: Da Klanz'. I know for a fact I'd love that. I don't think it would be very hard for GW to make a squiggoth kit so that snakebitez actually have a unique unit or two in there. The other klanz would mostly consist of FOC changes, I think. Most of the background already exists too!

I'm also hoping that Ol' Zogwort will be brought back, but better. Imagine the ol' warp'ead with better stats and level 4 mastery... Make him a LoW like Ghaz and you can make a whole book centered around him too.

Wasn't old zogwort a freeboota anyway

 Clang wrote:
So, what other supplements are we expecting (as well as Ghaz)?
- Speed Freaks would make sense (and may see the return of Wazdakka, so don't throw away those conversions yet)
- something for this new guy Grukk, possibly with a new model to match. Would make sense given they've gone to the trouble of setting him up in the fluff
- a flying circus (koptas and stormboyz as troops?) - would appeal to GW, as they'd sell a bucket load of models, especially if they release plastic koptas (although we've heard no more recently on that rumour)
- a walker army (kanz as troops, dredds as elites, special mek rules)
- just maybe a proper Loota army, although maybe not, given the half-hearted effort for Looted Wagons

Sorry, I'm not expecting anything for the Snakebites, unless FW is about to release lots of new suitable models. Ditto for a grot army :(

I'd really say of the other armies Speed Freaks and Snakebites have the most potential but the flying circus sounds like a lot of fun (probably including the jets in there too).

Speed Freaks - Wazdakka, Buggies, Trakks (including Flak Trakk conversion kit), bikes as troops along with trukk boys
Snakebite - Squiggoth, Boar Boys as troops (add them in as fast attack or elite into the main ork dex), Nobz on boars optional upgrade instead of bikes would be a great alternative to the bike and open up a new possible death star unit. Make runthearders more central possible "big" runtherder HQ Snakebite only. - Heck it will never happen (or not for a long time) but I can dream.



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 deffrekka wrote:
Wasn't old zogwort a freeboota anyway

No he came from a back world, think he was meant to represent snakebite in the codex hence the more than literal references from the snakes that he had on him and his back story, if there was a snakebite dex then he should be in it.

Watching Paint Dry wrote:MelcavukMade - Thanks for all the replies... very much appreciated.

Can you still get Meks in Lootas and Burna boy mobs? or are the HQ extras only?

Also, did Kommandos lose rokkits as an option?

Meks are still available in all their old squads

Watching Paint Dry wrote:oh, and Grabba Klaw... I haven't seen any info on that (points, rules, etc).

For the wreaking ball, I think it said it was like a shooting attack... does that mean you can't do it if you move in the shooting phase, or is it a drive by weapon?

Grabba klaw stops a non skimmer/flyer vehicle moving on a 4+, it has a 2 inch range
There is nothing stating the Wrecking ball has any other rules beyond its 3 inch range and str/AP, therefore you'd have to assume it follows all normal shooting rules.

Last paragraph on his page in the 4th ed book states "old zogwort now plies the galaxy as a freeboota going where the waaagh! Energy is at its purest"


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And the world he came from was catachan

 deffrekka wrote:
Wasn't old zogwort a freeboota anyway

You are right

Grabba klaw stops a non skimmer/flyer vehicle moving on a 4+, it has a 2 inch range

Does this treat it as immobilized for purposes of auto hitting it in close combat?

For anyone who has the codex are deffkopters still 2 wounds. OK if they are not

Oh yeah sorry about Zogwort he is a freeboota and his world is catachan so not really back water.

greggles wrote:

Grabba klaw stops a non skimmer/flyer vehicle moving on a 4+, it has a 2 inch range

Does this treat it as immobilized for purposes of auto hitting it in close combat?

No sorry, oddly it functions in the enemies movement phase, the ork player can select an enemy vehicle during the opponents movement phase that is within 2 inches of the grabbin klaw. On a 4+ the vehicle cannot move.

ceorron wrote:For anyone who has the codex are deffkopters still 2 wounds. OK if they are not

Oh yeah sorry about Zogwort he is a freeboota and his world is catachan so not really back water.

2 wounds.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Killsaw on a mek seems dumb. Expensive attack on a squishy 1 wound model that attacks last. He wont ever, ever get to use it unless his opponent misses everyone of his attacks.

Or unless his opponent is fighting another character from the mob, like the nob.

No sorry, oddly it functions in the enemies movement phase,

Interesting....Hrm. It would be nice if upon "stopping" the enemy vehicle, that vehicle counted as moving flat out, and couldn't fire any of it's weapons that turn. Otherwise I'm confused by it's use...maybe hold a vehicle in place so CC units get free hits vs it in the opponents turn?

Thanks GW for invalidating my Mek with Big Shoota Don't tell me I have to convert the model now!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/159947-Bad%20Moons%2C%20Grots%2C%20Lootas%2C%20Mekboy.html

Can you still get Meks in Lootas and Burna boy mobs? or are the HQ extras only?

I wonder about this as well.

 greggles wrote:

No sorry, oddly it functions in the enemies movement phase,

Interesting....Hrm. It would be nice if upon "stopping" the enemy vehicle, that vehicle counted as moving flat out, and couldn't fire any of it's weapons that turn. Otherwise I'm confused by it's use...maybe hold a vehicle in place so CC units get free hits vs it in the opponents turn?

Suppose if there was infantry near an enemy vehicle you could drive up, disembark your boyz and have them charge the infantry.

Opponents turn you grab the vehicle, holding it in place. Boyz are locked in combat so safe from shooting, finish off the unit that assault phase.

Back to your turn, Boyz charge the vehicle and start taking it apart.

Relies on a bit of luck but could be effective, maybe?

The wrecking ball has to roll to hit using BS?

I wonder if Grukk Face Rippa is cool enough to have an invulnerable save. Maybe they'll throw him a bone and give him a 6+ invulnerable on top of his 6+ feel no pain save.

Legit.

 Jambles wrote:

 DaisyWondercow wrote:

 bigdark wrote:
Grukk sounds ripe for a conversion from the sewn together rat ogre from Fantasy Island of Blood.

Why, yes. Yes he does.

Spoiler:

This. Looks. Amazing.

Is that a nob's head or a warboss's? What did you do for the legs?

Aw, shucks, thanks! I really like rat ogres for ork conversions- their posture is just right, and no one ever counts to see they only have 3 fingers .

The head is the snearing face from the nob box, I gave him a jaw extension to bring him in line with warboss-sized heads. For the legs, I cut them off at the knee, shaved off the rat fur, and it's just a green stuff pants and boots sculpt over that, using AOBR warboss feet as a guide. He's got two buddies (the other Isle of Blood ogre, and one from the Screaming Bell), so I'm thinking of making a squad of three un-armored meganobz. They're two or three times the bulk of a standard nob, I think that should count for a 2+ save! But if Grukk gets some cool rules, I may have to give this guy a powerklaw and a promotion.

Could anyone clarify how the Wierdboy works.
Is it Mastery Lvl 1 ( 1) plus D6 for the phase. And one extra point for a mob of 10 or more with in 12 inches (1) for a total of 8 at best
or one for each mob within 12 inches. 1 mob= 1, 2 mobs = 2
and so on. For a total of 8+ ?

Thank you.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
The wrecking ball has to roll to hit using BS?

I dunno but it's at the very least one hell of a conversion opportunity to model a grot miley cyrus

 ergotoxin wrote:
Thanks GW for invalidating my Mek with Big Shoota Don't tell me I have to convert the model now!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/159947-Bad%20Moons%2C%20Grots%2C%20Lootas%2C%20Mekboy.html

I would not exactly call that a major refit. Pop the head off. Put a Boy head on. Done.

 44Ronin wrote:

 Perfect Organism wrote:
The wrecking ball has to roll to hit using BS?

I dunno but it's at the very least one hell of a conversion opportunity to model a grot miley cyrus

Cut the grot holding the chain off the weirdboy model and splice it into the wrecking ball.

 warhead01 wrote:
Could anyone clarify how the Wierdboy works.
Is it Mastery Lvl 1 ( 1) plus D6 for the phase. And one extra point for a mob of 10 or more with in 12 inches (1) for a total of 8 at best
or one for each mob within 12 inches. 1 mob= 1, 2 mobs = 2
and so on. For a total of 8+ ?

Thank you.

Just +1 if there is 10+ 'ere we go models

So technically most of the time you'lll get +1.

a weirdboy (unless he ends up isolated) generates his mastery level +1
if you have a level1 and level2 weirdboy in your army you will have:

D6+ 1 + 2 + 1(unless he's isolated) +1(unless he's isolated) warp charges.

I am less sure why and when they may take the kick-back.
I think it is everytime they don't use their power and/or fail to manifest it.

I believe from Mel's wording it's if a Weirdboy fails to successfully manifest a Psychic Power in their Psychic Phase, denied powers counting as being successful.