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Are the 1-3 Haemonculus unit treated as 1 unit or 3 units that opperate seperately?

Hulksmash wrote:

@Puma

I actually think there are quite a few builds. The standard build you saw before won't work as well based on the weapon and pt. changes. You'll have to squeeze elsewhere to get the MSU armies. Though it is fun to note that the elite wyches and warriors are minimum size 3 which opens up some possibilities

Based on point-costs that have been listed, Shep's list above is about 1890. That's 110 leftover for more stuff and, if he didn't take disintegrators on his ravagers, would be 18 dark lances. Not a far cry from the old dex lists.

@Shep -- You're not the only one who was shaking his head reading the WWP rules and thinking about Trygon tunnels.

Actually Puma your off on your points. Shep's list is actually closer to

Vect-240
3x4 Trueborn w/4 Blasters in a Raider w/Shield-534
6x5 Warriors w/Blaster in Shielded Raider-780
3xShielded Ravagers-345

1,899

But yeah, you can make something similar to the old lists. 100pts with only fast attack to buy nets you exactly 4 bikes and maybe a special.It just still won't up the current crop of IG and SW. And with the loss of small blasts on the Ravagers your actually hurting against hordes with this list too. Current lists are going to need to incorporate elements and thankfully those elements are there. And on the subject of 18 St8 shots at range. I can tell you it's not enough to win games without support. My wolves regularly need more than just their 19 missile launchers to get the job done.

@Gorgon

Ahhhh, the difference between Kelly and Cruddance......

On a side note anyone think Kelly might have been mad about not getting to do the new Nids? Both of his newest codexes seem custom tailored to make Nids cry. I'm just sayin.....

And back on topic:

With WWP being only 35pts and being available to Archons and all Haemonculi could make for a cool army. Think about 2 Haemonculi in Wrack squads in Raiders. Each has a WWP. Move up, deploy, deploy both WWP (Generally bracketting enemy army) and then turn 2 Bikes, Wracks, Wyches, and Talo's come running out and hammer the mean men. Could be a neat list. Just a fun thought.

If this is really all there is to Mandrakes:

Mandrakes
5-10 Mandrakes
4/4/4/3/1/5/2/?/5++
single ccw, 5+ invulnerable
Whenever a unit with this rule has at least one pain token, each model has the following shooting attack: 18” S4 AP4 Assault 2, Pinning
Special Rules: Stealth, Move Through Cover, Night Vision, Fleet, Infiltrate, Power Through Pain

Color me disappointed... No Rending? No Poison? No Power Weapons? They have to earn their shooting attack? Crappy armor save? I'm failing to see how this is an Elite unit. Once again they are a hth unit which rather sucks at hth.
Their shooting attack almost redeems them, but, alas, it's only AP4.
I guess the rumors were completely false? Somebody tell me I missed something...

Archonate wrote:If this is really all there is to Mandrakes:

Mandrakes
5-10 Mandrakes
4/4/4/3/1/5/2/?/5++
single ccw, 5+ invulnerable
Whenever a unit with this rule has at least one pain token, each model has the following shooting attack: 18” S4 AP4 Assault 2, Pinning
Special Rules: Stealth, Move Through Cover, Night Vision, Fleet, Infiltrate, Power Through Pain

Color me disappointed... No Rending? No Poison? No Power Weapons? They have to earn their shooting attack? Crappy armor save? I'm failing to see how this is an Elite unit. Once again they are a hth unit which rather sucks at hth.
Their shooting attack almost redeems them, but, alas, it's only AP4.
I guess the rumors were completely false? Somebody tell me I missed something...

Yeah they look pretty crappy. Like gimped horrors.

Archonate wrote:If this is really all there is to Mandrakes:

Mandrakes
5-10 Mandrakes
4/4/4/3/1/5/2/?/5++
single ccw, 5+ invulnerable
Whenever a unit with this rule has at least one pain token, each model has the following shooting attack: 18” S4 AP4 Assault 2, Pinning
Special Rules: Stealth, Move Through Cover, Night Vision, Fleet, Infiltrate, Power Through Pain

Color me disappointed... No Rending? No Poison? No Power Weapons? They have to earn their shooting attack? Crappy armor save? I'm failing to see how this is an Elite unit. Once again they are a hth unit which rather sucks at hth.
Their shooting attack almost redeems them, but, alas, it's only AP4.
I guess the rumors were completely false? Somebody tell me I missed something...

I believe they have upgrades, but yeah, thats basically how they read in the dex

They dont have any upgrades, just a sergeant. Mandrakes are probably the most disappointing unit in the book because they get some of best new models. I dont understand why GW must always have atleast 1 unit with new models suck almost completely. Its like they dont *want* to sell them

That's disappointing...oh well, I wasn't too interested in the mandrakes anyway.

Such a shame too, on the website they said scultping them was a real pain. And it was all for nothing because they fethed up on rules. X)

Hopefully the same doesn't hold true for the rest of the book...

Sidstyler wrote:That's disappointing...oh well, I wasn't too interested in the mandrakes anyway.

Such a shame too, on the website they said scultping them was a real pain. And it was all for nothing because they fethed up on rules. X)

Hopefully the same doesn't hold true for the rest of the book...

Lelith is a bit of a disappointment too (from what we've heard, anyway). No poison, no drugs, Str. 3. Sure, she gets 7-10 power-weapon attacks, but she still needs 3's to hit and most often 5+/6+ to wound. Unless she's got a furious charge going off and, even then it's 4+ with no re-roll because of no poison. =/

puma713 wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:That's disappointing...oh well, I wasn't too interested in the mandrakes anyway.

Such a shame too, on the website they said scultping them was a real pain. And it was all for nothing because they fethed up on rules. X)

Hopefully the same doesn't hold true for the rest of the book...

Lelith is a bit of a disappointment too (from what we've heard, anyway). No poison, no drugs, Str. 3. Sure, she gets 7-10 power-weapon attacks, but she still needs 3's to hit and most often 5+/6+ to wound. Unless she's got a furious charge going off and, even then it's 4+ with no re-roll because of no poison. =/

I can get you an affirmative on any of this tomorrow when I look at the 'dex again

The cheaper special HQs are where its at... You can get duke and baron for the cost of some of the others, and they have awesome abilities

Exactly Kirasu!

105 for a +1 to go first. Make hellions troops. Give a unit of Hellions stealth and skilled rider. St.6-7 on the charge. Shadow Field. Combat Drugs. Sign me up!

Oh and I've got an idea. Now the "Wracks" Statline is: WS4 BS4 S3 T4 W1 I4 A1 and they start with FnP. What would people think of using "captured" space marine scout models that have survived as gladiators? Scout legs, Marauder Torsos and arms and possibly scout/marine heads? I think it'd be an easy way to build them till the models come out (Since we have no idea when that is happening).

Hulksmash wrote:Exactly Kirasu!

105 for a +1 to go first. Make hellions troops. Give a unit of Hellions stealth and skilled rider. St.6-7 on the charge. Shadow Field. Combat Drugs. Sign me up!

Oh and I've got an idea. Now the "Wracks" Statline is: WS4 BS4 S3 T4 W1 I4 A1 and they start with FnP. What would people think of using "captured" space marine scout models that have survived as gladiators? Scout legs, Marauder Torsos and arms and possibly scout/marine heads? I think it'd be an easy way to build them till the models come out (Since we have no idea when that is happening).

When I think of Wracks, these come to mind:

Oh I know. I saw the picture in the book and they are amazing. Since I know I can't do that justice I was thinking of going a different direction till the models came out. And since things like the Arco's are no longer available I had to come up with a decent stand in. And I'm thinking it could work. Especially since they'll always have FnP to start with a Haemonculus attached to them.

"...Lelith is a bit of a disappointment too (from what we've heard, anyway). No poison, no drugs, Str. 3..."

Lelith never had Combat Drugs

toxic_wisdom wrote:"...Lelith is a bit of a disappointment too (from what we've heard, anyway). No poison, no drugs, Str. 3..."

Lelith never had Combat Drugs

Yup. It's an in-joke.

Field Test List...

Coven - Dark Eldar at 1850 points

Haemonculous Ancient ( with Huskblade, Soul Trap, and Crucible of Malediction )
Wracks 9x ( includes Liquifier Gun )
Acothyst upgrade ( with Flesh Gauntlet )
Raider Transport ( with Tormentor Grenade Launchers and Enhanced Aethersails )

Haemonculous ( with Huskblade, Soul Trap, and Webway Portal )
Wracks 9x ( includes Liquifier Gun )
Acothyst upgrade ( with Flesh Gauntlet )
Raider Transport ( with Tormentor Grenade Launchers and Enhanced Aethersails )

Haemonculous ( with Huskblade, Soul Trap, and Webway Portal )
Wracks 9x ( includes Liquifier Gun )
Acothyst upgrade ( with Flesh Gauntlet )
Raider Transport ( with Tormentor Grenade Launchers and Enhanced Aethersails )

Grotesques 5x ( includes Liquifier Gun )
Aberration upgrade ( With Mindphase Gauntlet )
Raider Transport ( with Tormentor Grenade Launchers and Enhanced Aethersails )

Grotesques 5x ( includes Liquifier Gun )
Aberration upgrade ( With Mindphase Gauntlet )
Raider Transport ( with Tormentor Grenade Launchers and Enhanced Aethersails )

Cronos Parasite Engine ( with Spirit Probe and Spirit Vortex )
Cronos Parasite Engine ( with Spirit Probe and Spirit Vortex )
Talos Pain Engine ( with Ichor Injector and Twin Linked Heat Lance )

Looking at the Wracks as troops, Dark Eldar could actually turn out to be one of the potentially toughest armies there is. Minus their vehicles that is...

I'm really liking the look of the rules from what I've heard so far. As has been said, their not as easy to use or over-powered as some Codices but when used right they could be devastating (ala Eldar) and there's a wide variety of options.
Happy Days.

Sucks about mandrakes but oh well, I just want a bunch of the new raiders and wyches

Well at the very least they could work well for tying up enemy units whilst the raiders close or whatever.

They may turn into Tankbusta's: nice models, crud rules.

Or there could be a lot more to them than it seems. I personally believe something could be said for their manoeuvrability and stealth...

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Is a fine looking book though eh ?!

*hulk : but are helions good enough to want an army of them as troops? Or do you just mean taking the helion SC for his rules and not the army?

Fast troops are never a problem....

toxic_wisdom wrote:"...Lelith is a bit of a disappointment too (from what we've heard, anyway). No poison, no drugs, Str. 3..."

Lelith never had Combat Drugs

I know. It was simply a list of things that might've helped her in CC. It's like saying she's not str. 8 either (when she never was).


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Shep wrote:

This brings me to the only real drag (albeit a small one). My first pass through the rules and concentrating on a competitive build has me coming up with this.

vect

4x elite warriors 4x blasters raider 5++ dark lance
4x elite warriors 4x blasters raider 5++ dark lance
4x elite warriors 4x blasters raider 5++ dark lance

5x warriors 1x blaster raider 5++ dark lance
5x warriors 1x blaster raider 5++ dark lance
5x warriors 1x blaster raider 5++ dark lance
5x warriors 1x blaster raider 5++ dark lance
5x warriors 1x blaster raider 5++ dark lance
5x warriors 1x blaster raider 5++ dark lance

ravager 3x disintegrators 5++
ravager 3x disintegrators 5++
ravager 3x disintegrators 5++

Look familiar? To me it looks like a fun list. Minimum 75% chance to go first, massive alpha strike potential, speedy. But to the loyal followers of dark eldar throughout the years, its nothing new. 36" flat out and a 5++ save, and vect has more options and configurations to bring. But it is really just too similar to the functional lists from before. Thats really more of a demi-complaint than anything. I'd really enjoy playing against this list and with this list.

It only looks competitive because you're spamming the same 2-3 units over and over again. I assure you that that list is actually fairly weak as far as DE armies can go.

Is there new Haemonculus models?
I looked on the website and the old Haemonculus models are still there amongst the new stuff.

@Luthon

I think a single unit of hellions (10+) is worth making troops and taking if your using the Baron. But mostly I think people will use him for his rules. I just figure if I'm gonna take a character I'm gonna make the most of his special rules or I feel like I'm wasting points. And a 10 man hit-n-run squad w/20 poison shots before charging and a fair amount of medium strength attacks on the charge is pretty nice. They're no deathstar but they are also only a space marine a piece in point costs.

Mmm, Lady Malys, sounds interesting: Pop a Raider in one corner, watch the enemy deploy to rip it to shreds, put it back in reserves, encourage confusion, wait, wait some more, deploy, outflank, kill.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Fast troops are never a problem....

True. Plus they can use the WWP, and it's not like they can't have Hellions, AND the warriors or wyches....


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