Rumour about changes of GW paint range (now with paint names and colour diagram)

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**Neith**

Might have to switch to Vallejo if there isn't a Hawk Turquoise colour. I play Wraithkind DE who are almost entirely that colour...

Mind, will be interesting to see the new paint range and try it out, particularly the metallics.

**shrek3381**

For the love of GOD!!! Everyone stop whining about every single thing GW does! The company has been providing this hobby for YEARS!! They obviously are not going to change their ways so quit whining about EVERYTHING!!!!! If you dont like it then find another hobby. Last time I checked no one is forcing you to do this hobby. Its a hobby! Not a requirement for your life to go on. If youre unhappy with the current GW ways then maybe its time to find something better to do with your spare time, because youre obviously NEVER going to be happy!

**Swordwind**

Some of us actually have legit reasons to worry. If they change Red Gore or Scab Red much I'm going to be annoyed.

**shrek3381**

Every one is complaining about something that NO ONE even knows the details about...painting is a HUGE part of the hobby...I highly doubt that they would change paints and not consider color consistancy while doing so. Why doesn't everyone relax until we all find out more info.

**Ghaz**

Someone doesn't understand what a discussion forum (or Dakka) is.

**BrassScorpion**

If they change Red Gore or Scab Red much I'm going to be annoyed.

Red Gore is just burgundy with the usual goofy GW Warhammer themed name. Trust me, somewhere on earth someone will still be making burgundy model paint even if it's not GW.

GW has done a lot of things most of us customers aren't happy about in the past couple years, but I can't believe people are complaining about this so vociferously. More color choices from any hobby company is a good thing to me and I can live with name changes, GW paint names have always been "goofy" GW related names for conventional colors anyway. Who cares that burgundy is Red Gore or white is Skull White, I know it when I see it regardless of what crazy Warhammer name GW has given it. No matter what they call it, white is still white, khaki is still khaki, etc. As for the colors that are more unique to GW's paint range, this isn't the first time nor will it be the last that they've monkeyed with altering some colors a bit and you just have to learn to live with it like anything else in life that's mutable. I have every version of their bright green color ever made, they are all really similar, but they are also all slightly different from each other. Change is a constant, if this is the first time you've been through this get used to it because it won't be the last.

**Ghaz**

You've totally missed the point. One company's "burgundy" paint won't necessarily match another company's "burgundy" paint. Its true in house paints and its true in miniature paints.

**BrassScorpion**

Ghaz wrote:You've totally missed the point. One company's "burgundy" paint won't necessarily match another company's "burgundy" paint. Its true in house paints and its true in miniature paints.

You've missed my point, while some GW colors are unique to their range standard colors like burgundy and khaki are always the same. I used Krylon Burgundy spray paint and Krylon Khaki to base coat my Space Marine and Imperial Guard armies respectively, then did hand painting as needed using Citadel Red Gore and Kommando Khaki respectively where needed to match and match they most certainly did. Those are standard colors that are pretty identical no matter who makes them. Everyone expects khaki to be khaki, not some weird variant, if it is a variant it won't be called khaki.

And as I already said regarding the GW unique colors (e.g., their non-standard varying shades of grey, brown, blue, green, red, etc.), they've changed several times in the 2+ decades I've been at this, get used to it, it's happened before and it will likely happen again.

**Sidstyler**

shrek3381 wrote:The company has been providing this hobby for YEARS!! !

lolz, yeah, because as we all know full well, without GW there wouldn't be any miniature war-gaming as we know it. It never existed before GW came and "provided" it.

**Ghaz**

No. "Burgundy" is not always the same nor is "Khaki" always the same despite your claims to the contrary.

**Aerethan**

Since when is "GW" a hobby? They are a company. If they disappeared I'd move right on to some other tabletop game and not a feth will be given.

And Ghaz is right. No two companies produce the EXACT same colors. VMC tried very hard to match GW colors, and in most cases they are 99% there. The only way to completely match it would be to have the same manufacturer using the same formula and the same materials.

So, for those who are worried about having integral colors reformulated, buy up a little stockpile of those colors. I went and bought 3 Graveyard Earths because I use them on my bases and not all of my current armies are finish so I need that paint in the future.

**SoloFalcon1138**

shrek3381 wrote:For the love of GOD!!! Everyone stop whining about every single thing GW does! The company has been providing this hobby for YEARS!! They obviously are not going to change their ways so quit whining about EVERYTHING!!!!! If you dont like it then find another hobby. Last time I checked no one is forcing you to do this hobby. Its a hobby! Not a requirement for your life to go on. If youre unhappy with the current GW ways then maybe its time to find something better to do with your spare time, because youre obviously NEVER going to be happy!

This.

When they change, there will be waiiling of a thousand voices across the Internet, and the purchasing of GW paints will go on. Of all the things to change, this is the least of the problems. Its not like the size of the minis will be changing, making people accuse others or playing with under- or over-sized minis (ahem, old hive tyrants), and the GW paints are alot easier to find than the boutique Vallejo, etc. paints, so just stop whining.

**Aerethan**

Vallejo is boutique paint? And in the days of the internet, nothing is really hard to find.

This wouldn't be an issue if GW were just increasing their paint line. it's the fact that they are fething with the current line that has people concerned. If anything that is something GW should be glad about, as it means that people actually care about and want to buy their product. Changing formulas runs the risk of losing some of those customers, and they aren't really going to have some big influx of new customers to replace those who move to Vallejo or Reaper or P3.

**insaniak**

shrek3381 wrote:painting is a HUGE part of the hobby...

Which is exactly why people are concerned about changes to their paints...

I highly doubt that they would change paints and not consider color consistancy while doing so.

Then you clearly haven't been following GW's antics for very long.

When they dropped the old Coat D'Arms range, they promised that colours (those that weren't just being dropped from the range) would remain exactly the same. They didn't. Just from my own experience, GW dropping coloured metalics meant finding a new colour scheme for my Marines. The golds completely changed, which meant changing my Nightlords. Both Snot Green and Goblin Green changed, which meant changing how I painted my orcs. Blood Red changed, which meant changes to... well, just about every army I own. Fiery Orange disappeared for a while, forcing my to find alternatives for another Space Marine army (which had to change yet again when the washes changed).

Every few years after that, GW have revised their colour range. Midnight Blue turned into a weird shimmery purple colour (ooh look, there goes my Nightlord scheme again) and was then dropped completely. Other colours were added... and old colours retired to make way for them, requiring yet more changes to army colour schemes.

You're absolutely correct in that painting is a huge part of this hobby, And as such, knowing that in a few years time when you dust an army off and want to add new units, your paints will still actually be available is pretty darned important.

I can buy from Coat D'arms instead of GW, and know that the paints I buy are identical to those I bought 15 years ago. And I know that, because I still have some of the paints I bought 15 years ago... which is more than I can say for many of my more recent GW purchases with their wonderful hard plastic bottles that seem to have been designed specifically to aid paint drying out between uses.

Sure, we don't know for sure yet what is happening to GW's paint range. But past experience says that there will be changes... and that past experience means I have no patience for those changes. If GW have no interest in supporting long-term customers, then I feel no qualms about taking my money elsewhere, to ranges that have proven durability and better value for money.

**Cameron Baum**

Captain Vyper wrote:

Wow, ya know I have been a member of this forum for a very long time. In that time recommended it to tons of people mostly because it used to be a place where you were not set upon by rabid wolves for having a opinion other than the norm or asking a question that had been asked 100 times before. But as the years go on it becomes more and more hostile here, like a lot of other forums out there, with venomous bile being spat out by long time members on any thing GW does because we all know these fine gentlemen are running their own global mini company and doing so much better at it that GW is, so they must know better....right? We do all realize this is a hobby right, this is supposed to be fun right, we are here to talk about GW right, or at the very least with in a GW title in the thread name? If not why the hell do you care if the change the price, take free paint and brush off the tables in THEIR shops or change the name of the paint line? If you hate every thing they do then..well first off that just makes you sad because your wasting time and energy on some thing you hate, actually its funny... no, strike that its just sad. Back to my point, why do you care? I like GW stuff I like the whole idea of the product they make, like every one else there are things they do I don't agree with some times but who like 100% of everything? Simply put, go play what ever hobby makes you happy and have fun at the end of the day. Go buy another companies brand of paint and paint you models. I just do not get why people choose the hobby of hating every thing GW does.

Facts are this whole paint thing is in the news and rumors section so its safe to assume at this very second its just that right? So going off that premise, my personal belief is more options are always better, I have Ral Partha, Chessex Dragon Paints, Herizon, P3, Reaper, 3 Vallejo suitcases, the entire Line of GW's from the mid 90's, ( just as good and fresh today as they were back then) the current line, and a few more I cant remember the names of at the moment. Simply put a WAY STUPID amount of paint I will NEVER use in proportion to what I own. I like to paint, I like paint choices so I try all sorts of paint. I have never seen GW change colors with out a chart or list of the changes. We all know IF this is real that info about the new stuff will be on their web site, in their shops or the WD mag at the very least.

No one has to like any thing GW does, what is so hard about saying "I don't like it" and move on? Does damn never every post in opposition to something like this have to be a nitpick about every little thing about the subject matter what every it may be? Really you choose to spend you time on the Internet obsessed with tossing insults and investing your effort in to bashing something you don't like for the sake of doing it? If you don't like it don't buy it and move on. Pretty sure no one but you cares if you don't like it. I wonder who is going to be that guy thought who rails about this and come back after this stuff comes out, IF its even real, and tells everyone how cool the stuff is?

Er... You have me there. I grumble at GW, and should look at the bonuses. The DE I collect are beautifully sculpted, and are awesome. Finecast is a bad move, but when you get a properly cast model it is something that makes me excited to put together, or convert, and paint up. The current paints are quite good to use, too. Oh, and some of the scenery is really exciting to put together, play around with, and customise.

I think you are right about the tossing insults part. Personally, I suspect that people have gotten set in their ways, and don't want change. I feel that GW has made mistakes, but in time they will learn to get things together, and it will get better than before. I think in this case, the lack of knowledge has impacted on people, and this is where we are all getting hyped up about.

As for rumour... Independent sellers of the stuff have been told to run down stock, and to expect a huge amount of money needed for outlaying, and all the paint guides have gone from the GW website. Too much of a coincidence, in my view...

**Claimh_Solais**

shrek3381 wrote:For the love of GOD!!! Everyone stop whining about every single thing GW does! The company has been providing this hobby for YEARS!! They obviously are not going to change their ways so quit whining about EVERYTHING!!!!! If you dont like it then find another hobby. Last time I checked no one is forcing you to do this hobby. Its a hobby! Not a requirement for your life to go on. If youre unhappy with the current GW ways then maybe its time to find something better to do with your spare time, because youre obviously NEVER going to be happy!

THIS !
Come on we get 144 NEW colors noting is leaving ...and still you complain only becuse its GW

I'm really excited about the paints and think they will be awesome

Mantic produse gak = everybody loves it
GW produce awesome stuff = eweybody is whining

**Ouze**

I'm cautiously optimistic about the new paints. I certainly like the idea of foundation white, that's for sure.

**vash1223**

Claimh_Solais wrote:
shrek3381 wrote:For the love of GOD!!! Everyone stop whining about every single thing GW does! The company has been providing this hobby for YEARS!! They obviously are not going to change their ways so quit whining about EVERYTHING!!!!! If you dont like it then find another hobby. Last time I checked no one is forcing you to do this hobby. Its a hobby! Not a requirement for your life to go on. If youre unhappy with the current GW ways then maybe its time to find something better to do with your spare time, because youre obviously NEVER going to be happy!

THIS !
Come on we get 144 NEW colors noting is leaving ...and still you complain only becuse its GW

I'm really excited about the paints and think they will be awesome

Mantic produse gak = everybody loves it
GW produce awesome stuff = eweybody is whining

Actually, the old colors are being discontinued...

via BramGaunt
The whole range is discontinued. All of them. None of the old paints will be available come 7th of April. These are not only renamed foundations and washes and paints. These are completely new paints. New recipe, if you wish. Shades will be very similar, but there might be small differences. If you feel like stocking up on your favorites, feel free to do so, but it shouldn't be necessary.

**LazzurusMan**

via BramGaunt
If you feel like stocking up on your favorites, feel free to do so, but it shouldn't be necessary.

As this said, stocking up on current colours shouldn't be necessary, YES all the current colours are being discontinued, but they will still exist under different names with a different formula.

That is all I have to say on the matter

**Small, Far Away**

By Arceus, that is a lot of paints.

**Nagashek**

Hey. Two shades of pink. I can do my Wyches' hair. I'm excited.

**Quintinus**

shrek3381 wrote:For the love of GOD!!! Everyone stop whining about every single thing GW does! The company has been providing this hobby for YEARS!! They obviously are not going to change their ways so quit whining about EVERYTHING!!!!! If you dont like it then find another hobby. Last time I checked no one is forcing you to do this hobby. Its a hobby! Not a requirement for your life to go on. If youre unhappy with the current GW ways then maybe its time to find something better to do with your spare time, because youre obviously NEVER going to be happy!

Strong 1st post

On that note, I prefer Coat d'Arms and the Reaper dropper bottles anyway so this won't really affect me. Devlan Mud was awesome though

**Ghaz**

Lazzurus Man wrote:As this said, stocking up on current colours will be necessary, YES all the current colours are being discontinued, but they might still exist under different names with a different formula.

Fixed it for you. The simple fact is that GW has changed paint manufacturers in the past and the colors did not match.

**Claimh_Solais**

vash1223 wrote:
Claimh_Solais wrote:
shrek3381 wrote:For the love of GOD!!! Everyone stop whining about every single thing GW does! The company has been providing this hobby for YEARS!! They obviously are not going to change their ways so quit whining about EVERYTHING!!!!! If you dont like it then find another hobby. Last time I checked no one is forcing you to do this hobby. Its a hobby! Not a requirement for your life to go on. If youre unhappy with the current GW ways then maybe its time to find something better to do with your spare time, because youre obviously NEVER going to be happy!

THIS !
Come on we get 144 NEW colors noting is leaving ...and still you complain only becuse its GW

I'm really excited about the paints and think they will be awesome

Mantic produse gak = everybody loves it
GW produce awesome stuff = eweybody is whining

Actually, the old colors are being discontinued...

via BramGaunt
The whole range is discontinued. All of them. None of the old paints will be available come 7th of April. These are not only renamed foundations and washes and paints. These are completely new paints. New recipe, if you wish. Shades will be very similar, but there might be small differences. If you feel like stocking up on your favorites, feel free to do so, but it shouldn't be necessary.

No they get a new name and new manufacture not new colors
Ultramarine blue is still ultramarine blue even if the now called it gulliman blue

and Im sure it will match the old color 99,9%
you know Old blood red 1997 and new blood red 2012 dont match 100% EITHER

**-Loki-**

Claimh_Solais wrote:Come on we get 144 NEW colors noting is leaving ...and still you complain only becuse its GW

Just to be pedantic, if the new range is 144 colours, and they're all new, the current line will be leaving.

This doesn't bother me. I've been researching Vallejo. Since I started using Bloody Red for my Behemoth Tyranids, I've liked their paint. Thanks to some people on here (mostly Kroothawk), I know the other colours my bug scheme uses and their Vallejo comparisons. They also do the colours I'll need for my Salamanders (Sick green and Scorpy green). Army Painter does Darkstone Wash now, which is basically Devlan Mud, but better. For my Vampire Counts, my main concern is bone. But I use Jack Bone for those, since it's darker and looks dirtier with some Devlan Mud thrown on it.

So, I guess this change to the range has been good for me. It's made me research other companies, and realize I can get on fine with their paints.

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Claimh_Solais wrote:No they get a new name and new manufacture not new colors
Ultramarine blue is still ultramarine blue even if the now called it gulliman blue

and Im sure it will match the old color 99,9%
you know Old blood red 1997 and new blood red 2012 dont match 100% EITHER

And that 1% is noticeable. Bloody Red from Vallejo matches Blood Red from GW about 99%. Paint some Bloody Red over some Blood Red, and there's a noticeable difference (Bloody Red is slightly less orange in hue).

If you're particular about colours at all, you will notice when your next squad is slightly off in hue.

**insaniak**

Claimh_Solais wrote:Come on we get 144 NEW colors noting is leaving ...and still you complain only becuse its GW

People aren't complaining just because it's GW. They're complaining because we've seen in the past what happens when GW says they're changing their paints but the colours will remain the same...

The new range may well be awesome... But it's still going to create a headache for anyone who suddenly finds that their army's primary colours have changed due to the new formula not quite matching up.

Mantic produse gak = everybody loves it
GW produce awesome stuff = eweybody is whining

Can we stop just putting down the complaints to 'whining'? It serves no purpose other than to get people riled, and suggests that you haven't actually been reading the complaints. Those complaining about the change have their reasons for doing so.

I could also mention that Mantic have their share of detractors, and that they have yet to release anything that I have any interest in buying. But that would be off-topic and unnecessary since this thread has nothing to do with Mantic.

**StoneRaizer**

I'll be very happy and very annoyed at the same time if GW comes out with a paint that's identical to the shade of blue used in Codex: Space Wolves. Currently the blue GW uses is a mix of Space Wolves Grey and Shadow Grey. Happy because future Wolves players won't have to spend time, money and effort mixing paint to consistently get that Codex look. Annoyed because that was the look I wanted when I started my army but didn't want to mix paint because I didn't want to have shades that were slightly different from model to model due to the mix being off.

**Ghaz**

StoneRazier wrote:... I didn't want to have shades that were slightly different from model to model due to the mix being off.

That's why you mix whole pots of paint at once so you have enough to do your entire army.

**biccat**

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:and the GW paints are alot easier to find than the boutique Vallejo, etc. paints

The only store I've ever visited (and I've been in a lot) that didn't carry Vallejo was a GW store.

Even the dark and scary hole-in-the-wall places have a rack of Vallejo.

I've even been in a few (2-3) stores that didn't carry GW paints, largely because of GW's practices.

**Captain Vyper**

My apologies if my post came off a bit strong. I was just a bit miffed at the nay saying for something we don't even know is for real yet regardless of the "evidence". The "discussions" on topics like these rarely seem to be just that to me, its seem to be more about anyone with a keyboard teeing off just because they can rather than trying to put out any thing shy of a snide comment. Much like that Hitler clip on you tube everyone seems to use over and over again, the one I am referring to has the part during the price increase last year where he says something to the effect of "every one of you who is going to rage quit GW on the Internet but still buy the stuff any way, leave the room." like everyone but 4 people leave the room!

For those who's concern it was that the supposed new paint line would not match the current one, I fully understand the concern of having half an army done and not being able to have an exact match. Truly I do, the 2nd edition 1995 ish Dark angels green was amazing and covered well for me, the current range seems very thin, doesn't cover well at all for me and just does not quite look right for me. BUT when GW told everyone the paint was changing I bought extras of the stuff I knew I needed and I still have 2 sealed pots. If this is happening then why not just grab a few extra pots and make sure your covered. If it changes you will be safe, if it does not, you just wont buy that color for a while.

This whole reasoning about people switching over to another brand really puzzles me as well. Bloody Red form Vallejo is not the exact same color of GW's Blood Red nor is it the same consistency or coverage, but your going to switch to that because they MIGHT come out with a new color named some thing other than Blood Red that your afraid may not be the exact color or consistency of the old Blood Red? That not make any sense to any one else? I would be willing to bet that if something new is coming, then GW has the best chance of their new product replacing their old product to the consistency and color match than another company, wouldn't you agree at least in theory? Just a thought.

Again my apologies to any one who was offended by the tone of my earlier post. It was not my intent just trying to shed a bit of light on the all too often occurrence of the attacks that seem to come they way of anyone brave enough to say they actually like something GW is doing. Was he a white knight? I don't know, excluding his content, does he or any one else really deserve to be discounted or looked down on strictly because they choose to stop lurking and post a pro GW statement? Trolls are gonna troll I guess, and everyone is totally entitled to their opinion, I just wish some more thought would go into the expression of that opinion some times. But I digress. If new paints are on their way, Awesome I wonder what they will do for my models? I will use the ones I like and move on, who knows I just might like the replacement color more than the old one. Just gonna wait and see I guess.