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Ghaz wrote:Someone doesn't understand what a discussion forum (or Dakka) is.

Not to mention yet another 1st Post Wonder.

I need to rearrange my sock draw, and also reorganise my puppet collection.



Was that too subtle?

Captain Vyper wrote:This whole reasoning about people switching over to another brand really puzzles me as well. Bloody Red form Vallejo is not the exact same color of GW's Blood Red nor is it the same consistency or coverage, but your going to switch to that because they MIGHT come out with a new color named some thing other than Blood Red that your afraid may not be the exact color or consistency of the old Blood Red? That not make any sense to any one else? I would be willing to bet that if something new is coming, then GW has the best chance of their new product replacing their old product to the consistency and color match than another company, wouldn't you agree at least in theory? Just a thought.

I swapped to Bloody Red before all of this happened, mostly due to the dropper bottles being 50% larger than GW's pots, and, well, I like the dropper bottle system. I did notice it was slightly off. I'm kind of annoyed, but I won't go back to Blood Red. I like the consistency and coverage of Bloody Red. It's strange that it doesn't get the same coverage initially, but you need less coats to get a consistent, smooth coverage. With Blood Red, it's very easy to get an inconsistant coverage.

Claimh_Solais wrote:

vash1223 wrote:

Actually, the old colors are being discontinued...

via BramGaunt
The whole range is discontinued. All of them. None of the old paints will be available come 7th of April. These are not only renamed foundations and washes and paints. These are completely new paints. New recipe, if you wish. Shades will be very similar, but there might be small differences. If you feel like stocking up on your favorites, feel free to do so, but it shouldn't be necessary.

No they get a new name and new manufacture not new colors
Ultramarine blue is still ultramarine blue even if the now called it gulliman blue

and Im sure it will match the old color 99,9%
you know Old blood red 1997 and new blood red 2012 dont match 100% EITHER

True they are only changing the manufacturer, but you must remember their supplies/pigments will be different (or at least in different quantities) then the other. I'm sure that there will be colors that match the old ones, but not exactly. There is a reason that the colors have new names; they are new colors, a hundred forty-four of them in fact!

By no means am I saying this is a bad thing, on the contrary I'm quite excited to see what new colors they are bringing to the (painting) table.

I'm still going to buy an extra pot or two of the current range just so I can finish my Skaven army with them.

-Loki- wrote:

Captain Vyper wrote:This whole reasoning about people switching over to another brand really puzzles me as well. Bloody Red form Vallejo is not the exact same color of GW's Blood Red nor is it the same consistency or coverage, but your going to switch to that because they MIGHT come out with a new color named some thing other than Blood Red that your afraid may not be the exact color or consistency of the old Blood Red? That not make any sense to any one else? I would be willing to bet that if something new is coming, then GW has the best chance of their new product replacing their old product to the consistency and color match than another company, wouldn't you agree at least in theory? Just a thought.

I swapped to Bloody Red before all of this happened, mostly due to the dropper bottles being 50% larger than GW's pots, and, well, I like the dropper bottle system. I did notice it was slightly off. I'm kind of annoyed, but I won't go back to Blood Red. I like the consistency and coverage of Bloody Red. It's strange that it doesn't get the same coverage initially, but you need less coats to get a consistent, smooth coverage. With Blood Red, it's very easy to get an inconsistant coverage.

Yeah so your not really affected by this then. I agree about the dropper bottles I like them a lot, they only have 5ml more per bottle. Pretty sure the "off" thing has to do with the resin that they use in the paint vs GW. I always blend two or more colors on my pallet and use a flow aid in my pot/bottles as well as to mix with so coverage has never really been as issue for me. I do notice I cant really blend the two brands together too well. GW metallic paint beats the pants off of any thing I have tried. At the end of the day its really about what the individual likes that's the only thing that really counts. Its worth it to you or its not.

Captain Vyper wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

Captain Vyper wrote:This whole reasoning about people switching over to another brand really puzzles me as well. Bloody Red form Vallejo is not the exact same color of GW's Blood Red nor is it the same consistency or coverage, but your going to switch to that because they MIGHT come out with a new color named some thing other than Blood Red that your afraid may not be the exact color or consistency of the old Blood Red? That not make any sense to any one else? I would be willing to bet that if something new is coming, then GW has the best chance of their new product replacing their old product to the consistency and color match than another company, wouldn't you agree at least in theory? Just a thought.

I swapped to Bloody Red before all of this happened, mostly due to the dropper bottles being 50% larger than GW's pots, and, well, I like the dropper bottle system. I did notice it was slightly off. I'm kind of annoyed, but I won't go back to Blood Red. I like the consistency and coverage of Bloody Red. It's strange that it doesn't get the same coverage initially, but you need less coats to get a consistent, smooth coverage. With Blood Red, it's very easy to get an inconsistant coverage.

Yeah so your not really affected by this then. I agree about the dropper bottles I like them a lot, they only have 5ml more per bottle. Pretty sure the "off" thing has to do with the resin that they use in the paint vs GW. I always blend two or more colors on my pallet and use a flow aid in my pot/bottles as well as to mix with so coverage has never really been as issue for me. I do notice I cant really blend the two brands together too well. GW metallic paint beats the pants off of any thing I have tried. At the end of the day its really about what the individual likes that's the only thing that really counts. Its worth it to you or its not.

If only my scheme consisted of models primed Bloody Red

While it's the main skin colour of my army, Devlan Mud is the key behind getting the dirty red I like. Carapaces use highlights of Shadow Grey and Hawk Turqoise. 'Squishy bits' like ammo tubes and brains are Liche Purple, Leviathan Purple wash and highlighted with Warlock Purple. Wing membranes are Scorched Earth, Vermin brown and again, Devlan Mud.

There's plenty in my scheme that can be screwed up by a new formula changing the hue of a paint. I'm lucky that Bloody Red is such a close match to Blood Red. Slightly annoying, but I can deal with it.. But it's also why I'm looking now for non-GW alternatives. My main worry was Devlan Mud (which is also big in my VC army). When I read a review on the new Army Painter Warpaint range, I breathed a sigh of relief when I saw Darktone Wash was not only almost a 100% match to Devlan Mud, but it also dried smoother on flat surfaces.

-Loki- wrote:

Claimh_Solais wrote:Come on we get 144 NEW colors noting is leaving ...and still you complain only becuse its GW

Just to be pedantic, if the new range is 144 colours, and they're all new, the current line will be leaving.

So, I guess this change to the range has been good for me. It's made me research other companies, and realize I can get on fine with their paints.


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Claimh_Solais wrote:No they get a new name and new manufacture not new colors
Ultramarine blue is still ultramarine blue even if the now called it gulliman blue

and Im sure it will match the old color 99,9%
you know Old blood red 1997 and new blood red 2012 dont match 100% EITHER

And that 1% is noticeable. Bloody Red from Vallejo matches Blood Red from GW about 99%. Paint some Bloody Red over some Blood Red, and there's a noticeable difference (Bloody Red is slightly less orange in hue).

If you're particular about colours at all, you will notice when your next squad is slightly off in hue.



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You also forgot to mention that you may have to touch up spots, because of paint chipping The one percent will certainly be noticed then.

And I agree with you one the research and changing of colours. The massive advantage I have is that I'm so new into painting, not much is done. I can change to stable ranges, and also look at a potential repainting of my army, because there isn't much to re-do. But when you have a massive army, and want to add more to it... and the paint scheme isn't matching any more... that must truly annoy...

i have a a massive army, things get painted different all the time... why... simply one squad is the second squad i've painted, 20 years later, i'm a bit better...

I still say wait till we actually see whats coming before going off on some tangent and call doom and gloom...

Captain Vyper wrote:

This whole reasoning about people switching over to another brand really puzzles me as well. Bloody Red form Vallejo is not the exact same color of GW's Blood Red nor is it the same consistency or coverage, but your going to switch to that because they MIGHT come out with a new color named some thing other than Blood Red that your afraid may not be the exact color or consistency of the old Blood Red? That not make any sense to any one else? I would be willing to bet that if something new is coming, then GW has the best chance of their new product replacing their old product to the consistency and color match than another company, wouldn't you agree at least in theory? Just a thought.

Okay, I'll explain my logic to you, then you won't be puzzled.

I want a set of paints that I know will be the same for years to come. I want to build up my army over time to be a massive force that is impressive to see assembled. If colours keep coming and going every few years, I can't keep the exact same schemes together. I've worked out the colours to paint my weaponry, which is a multi-part job. And those metallics are now becoming extinct. Hawk Turquoise is an integral part of one section of my army. There isn't a paint with the name "turquoise" in the list any more. Purple is a core component for one of my elite units. I have no idea if any of the four purples in the range will match up properly. Not to mention I'm trying to work out colour combinations for other units. I've stopped that, to make sure that I can experiment with other ranges of paints, to make sure this doesn't happen to me again.

When I've been telling people of the talk of the paint range being altered, there is this look of frustrated despair, and words along the lines of "But I've only just gotten used to/gotten good at the current paints." And that, right there, is why people switch. They master skills with a set of tools, only to discover that one part of the tools they use is altering. So, they need to re-learn the skills again,because they have new tools to get used to.

Therefore, I would rather field the effort and energy to have a single core change now, and not have to truly worry about it in the future, than make a massive change, settle down, then have a massive change again in a few years time to deal with again. I want to enjoy painting, not wonder if the colours I use will go and change at some point in the intermediate future.

Not to mention that different paint ranges have different possibilities, and value as well. There is a reason why companies like Vallejo don't change their paints often, and it is down to the fact that they can get GW customers who want the paint range they know, and need to have, so they can carry on painting their army.


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Brother Weasel wrote:i have a a massive army, things get painted different all the time... why... simply one squad is the second squad i've painted, 20 years later, i'm a bit better...

I still say wait till we actually see whats coming before going off on some tangent and call doom and gloom...

It isn't doom and gloom. Even if the paints are not changing at all, I have gained, because I'm getting other paints in on Friday. I am the winner here, because my colour range is increasing, regardless.

Cameron Baum wrote:
I want a set of paints that I know will be the same for years to come. I want to build up my army over time to be a massive force that is impressive to see assembled. If colours keep coming and going every few years, I can't keep the exact same schemes together. I've worked out the colours to paint my weaponry, which is a multi-part job. And those metallics are now becoming extinct. Hawk Turquoise is an integral part of one section of my army. There isn't a paint with the name "turquoise" in the list any more. Purple is a core component for one of my elite units. I have no idea if any of the four purples in the range will match up properly. Not to mention I'm trying to work out colour combinations for other units. I've stopped that, to make sure that I can experiment with other ranges of paints, to make sure this doesn't happen to me again.

Not to be a jerk, but...
The GW paint range was stable for quite a few years. This is the first time in the 15 years that I've been involved in miniature wargaming that GW has done something this radical in shifting all the names and completely "invalidating" their paint range.

Is it going to be annoying to match everything at first? Oh Gods yes. But once I start matching stuff and being able to eyeball the actual color of the paint rather than simply look at the names--it is going to be much less of a daunting task.

Not to mention that different paint ranges have different possibilities, and value as well. There is a reason why companies like Vallejo don't change their paints often, and it is down to the fact that they can get GW customers who want the paint range they know, and need to have, so they can carry on painting their army.

Again, not trying to be a jerk, but this is kind of a silly statement.
The reason that Vallejo likely did not change their paints often isn't because they "can get GW customers who want the paint range they know" but because the paint range they know hadn't changed as dramatically as we're seeing now.
Vallejo's Game Color range is a fairly good match for GW's colors, and they'd have been silly to change things up.

Kanluwen wrote:

Cameron Baum wrote:
I want a set of paints that I know will be the same for years to come. I want to build up my army over time to be a massive force that is impressive to see assembled. If colours keep coming and going every few years, I can't keep the exact same schemes together. I've worked out the colours to paint my weaponry, which is a multi-part job. And those metallics are now becoming extinct. Hawk Turquoise is an integral part of one section of my army. There isn't a paint with the name "turquoise" in the list any more. Purple is a core component for one of my elite units. I have no idea if any of the four purples in the range will match up properly. Not to mention I'm trying to work out colour combinations for other units. I've stopped that, to make sure that I can experiment with other ranges of paints, to make sure this doesn't happen to me again.

Not to be a jerk, but...
The GW paint range was stable for quite a few years. This is the first time in the 15 years that I've been involved in miniature wargaming that GW has done something this radical in shifting all the names and completely "invalidating" their paint range.

Is it going to be annoying to match everything at first? Oh Gods yes. But once I start matching stuff and being able to eyeball the actual color of the paint rather than simply look at the names--it is going to be much less of a daunting task.

Not to mention that different paint ranges have different possibilities, and value as well. There is a reason why companies like Vallejo don't change their paints often, and it is down to the fact that they can get GW customers who want the paint range they know, and need to have, so they can carry on painting their army.

Again, not trying to be a jerk, but this is kind of a silly statement.
The reason that Vallejo likely did not change their paints often isn't because they "can get GW customers who want the paint range they know" but because the paint range they know hadn't changed as dramatically as we're seeing now.
Vallejo's Game Color range is a fairly good match for GW's colors, and they'd have been silly to change things up.

It was stable for 15 years. A couple of months after I get into the miniatures hobby, I get to start painting what I've put together. And then the paint range utterly changes. After sinking a lot of money into getting a large number of paints, because they are an investment, right?

But if everything is changing, and all the colours won't truly match up, then no matter what I do, I need to look at getting new schemes worked out for my units. Therefore, I will find other paints, and then use them.

And Vallejo will no doubt add to their range, to compete against GW, but the range they have already is pretty extensive. I suspect that things like textures will be copied, as opposed to individual paints.

One question is, of course, this: If GW is doing stuff like grits and stuff for weathering effects, will that mean that FW will discontinue that line from their stocks?

Whats the "dry" range going to be? weathering powders?

If the rumours are true they seem to be vastly expanding their paint and supplies range which sounds like a great thing to me.

Cameron Baum wrote:
It was stable for 15 years. A couple of months after I get into the miniatures hobby, I get to start painting what I've put together. And then the paint range utterly changes. After sinking a lot of money into getting a large number of paints, because they are an investment, right?

But if everything is changing, and all the colours won't truly match up, then no matter what I do, I need to look at getting new schemes worked out for my units. Therefore, I will find other paints, and then use them.

Again, I'm really not trying to be a jerk here--but the way you're discussing this makes me think that you're taking this a mite bit personally?

It's not like GW said "Cameron Baum just started and has invested in our paints. Change them now! Go go go!". This is something they clearly put thought into doing, and you're just unlucky. I understand your frustrations--to a point, but the fact that we have no color swatches or anything though makes me a bit unsympathetic in regards to your doomsaying.

Expanding your horizons with new paint ranges though?
That's something everyone should do. Sticking to one range or excluding a range based upon some perceived notion of brand loyalty is silly.

And Vallejo will no doubt add to their range, to compete against GW, but the range they have already is pretty extensive. I suspect that things like textures will be copied, as opposed to individual paints.

Maybe, but most likely Vallejo will change their range with names, etc--which will cost them money and time.

One question is, of course, this: If GW is doing stuff like grits and stuff for weathering effects, will that mean that FW will discontinue that line from their stocks?

The "texture" paints likely are just that: paints with a texture to them, most likely intended for painting bases or scenery. There's a few companies which do similar stuff for model railroading and tanks. One notable is that there's companies out there which sell "Zimmerit" which is a textured paste/paint(depending on the company) formulated to simulate the German WWII material of the same name.

I don't think that Forge World is going to discontinue their weathering powders anytime soon though.

Cameron Baum wrote:
And Vallejo will no doubt add to their range, to compete against GW, but the range they have already is pretty extensive. I suspect that things like textures will be copied, as opposed to individual paints.

Is it even possible for vallejo to expand their range? They already sell almost everything.

Skippy wrote:Whats the "dry" range going to be? weathering powders?

If the rumours are true they seem to be vastly expanding their paint and supplies range which sounds like a great thing to me.

The "dry" range is purportedly paints for drybrushing.

Kanluwen wrote:

Skippy wrote:Whats the "dry" range going to be? weathering powders?

If the rumours are true they seem to be vastly expanding their paint and supplies range which sounds like a great thing to me.

The "dry" range is purportedly paints for drybrushing.

That sounds very strange, I cant imagine why youd need special paint for dry brushing. Maybe solid paints i guess? Will be interesting to see anyway.

Skippy wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Skippy wrote:Whats the "dry" range going to be? weathering powders?

If the rumours are true they seem to be vastly expanding their paint and supplies range which sounds like a great thing to me.

The "dry" range is purportedly paints for drybrushing.

That sounds very strange, I cant imagine why youd need special paint for dry brushing. Maybe solid paints i guess? Will be interesting to see anyway.

You must not drybrush very often. Having a paint that is thicker and a little "dryer" is ideal for drybrush as you want as little paint on the brush as possible. you don't want it soaking up into the brush like you would with norm paints.

These days the only thing I drybrush is chainmail armor. Drybrushing as a finishing technique across an entire model isn't appealing to me. That said, drybrushing is a decent way to get a tabletop standard finish on an army quickly.

Kanluwen wrote:

Cameron Baum wrote:
It was stable for 15 years. A couple of months after I get into the miniatures hobby, I get to start painting what I've put together. And then the paint range utterly changes. After sinking a lot of money into getting a large number of paints, because they are an investment, right?

But if everything is changing, and all the colours won't truly match up, then no matter what I do, I need to look at getting new schemes worked out for my units. Therefore, I will find other paints, and then use them.

Again, I'm really not trying to be a jerk here--but the way you're discussing this makes me think that you're taking this a mite bit personally?

It's not like GW said "Cameron Baum just started and has invested in our paints. Change them now! Go go go!".

If they have done that, then it is a massive compliment. Means that I am much more significant to the grand scheme of things that I ever imagined.

I think I shall now try and wander off, and try to evolve into a giant glowing ball of golden light, and become Supreme Being of the universe. :@P

Kanluwen wrote:
This is something they clearly put thought into doing, and you're just unlucky. I understand your frustrations--to a point, but the fact that we have no color swatches or anything though makes me a bit unsympathetic in regards to your doomsaying.

Doomsaying? I doubt that GW changing all opf their paints will cause the Earth to spin out of its orbit into deep space, or anything else similarly apocalyptic. Unless the Mayan Calendar has been counting down to the end of the paint range, because it'll somehow trigger all the volcanoes to blow up or something.

Unlucky? No, I disagree: I have been able to learn how to paint with some okay quality paints, and now, I am getting the chance to experiment, and get more colours, more possibilities, and more enjoyment.

Kanluwen wrote:
Expanding your horizons with new paint ranges though?
That's something everyone should do. Sticking to one range or excluding a range based upon some perceived notion of brand loyalty is silly.

Easy to say when you have years of experience. It has taken me a good month to get the courage and confidence to try out other paints, because i don't want to feild out a model that looks like it is impersonating the T-1000.

I have no loyalty to brand, just having paints thyat will not react with the plastic to create a molten puddle.

Kanluwen wrote:

And Vallejo will no doubt add to their range, to compete against GW, but the range they have already is pretty extensive. I suspect that things like textures will be copied, as opposed to individual paints.

Maybe, but most likely Vallejo will change their range with names, etc--which will cost them money and time.

Why change the range? If you have almost identical paints, you can catch customers with the fall-off from the GW changes. If anything, they may add a couple of paints.

Reflecting on it, though, I suspect that GW is doing this massive change, to try and lock in customers to their paints, because they are making them massively different to the competition. We shall see in time if this is a clever strategy or not.

Kanluwen wrote:Not to be a jerk, but...
The GW paint range was stable for quite a few years. This is the first time in the 15 years that I've been involved in miniature wargaming that GW has done something this radical in shifting all the names and completely "invalidating" their paint range.

If by 'stable' you mean 'getting colours dropped every couple of years' then yes, the GW paint range has been 'stable' for quite a few years.

Captain Vyper wrote: BUT when GW told everyone the paint was changing I bought extras of the stuff I knew I needed and I still have 2 sealed pots. If this is happening then why not just grab a few extra pots and make sure your covered. If it changes you will be safe, ...

...at least until you try to actually use that paint in 3 years time, and discover that it's all dried out.

This whole reasoning about people switching over to another brand really puzzles me as well. Bloody Red form Vallejo is not the exact same color of GW's Blood Red nor is it the same consistency or coverage, but your going to switch to that because they MIGHT come out with a new color named some thing other than Blood Red that your afraid may not be the exact color or consistency of the old Blood Red?

It's a 'straw that broke the camel's back' sort of thing. I've put up with the complete range revamps before. I've put up with colours I've been using being just randomly dropped from the range. And I'm finally at the point where I'm sick and tired of having to adjust my colour schemes to match GW's whims, so if I'm going to have to change everything again anyway, I might as well switch to a more stable range now and at least not have to do it again.

Added to which, the range I'm mostly switching to is Coat D'Arms... which is the range that GW were selling when I started. So by changing now, I simply get to switch back to the original colours that I was using when at least half of my armies were started.

Kanluwen wrote:

Cameron Baum wrote:
I want a set of paints that I know will be the same for years to come. I want to build up my army over time to be a massive force that is impressive to see assembled. If colours keep coming and going every few years, I can't keep the exact same schemes together. I've worked out the colours to paint my weaponry, which is a multi-part job. And those metallics are now becoming extinct. Hawk Turquoise is an integral part of one section of my army. There isn't a paint with the name "turquoise" in the list any more. Purple is a core component for one of my elite units. I have no idea if any of the four purples in the range will match up properly. Not to mention I'm trying to work out colour combinations for other units. I've stopped that, to make sure that I can experiment with other ranges of paints, to make sure this doesn't happen to me again.

Not to be a jerk, but...
The GW paint range was stable for quite a few years. This is the first time in the 15 years that I've been involved in miniature wargaming that GW has done something this radical in shifting all the names and completely "invalidating" their paint range.

I'm sure people painting their Saim Hann army Ruby Red would disagree. Or anyone using Tentacle Pink, Imperial Purple or Fiery Orange. How about if people had an army with flesh based on tanned flesh or bronzed flesh (I know I used to use bronzed flesh a lot)? Or those people who used Midnight Blue (this was a hugely unpopular choice of colour to discontinue)? As would people who like the old inks, particularly chestnut ink. Sure, you can order some of these from Coat'd Arms, but they're not all available and not from GW. Just because they haven't done it to their whole range before doesn't mean it's been stable this past 15 years.

Skippy wrote:

Cameron Baum wrote:
And Vallejo will no doubt add to their range, to compete against GW, but the range they have already is pretty extensive. I suspect that things like textures will be copied, as opposed to individual paints.

Is it even possible for vallejo to expand their range? They already sell almost everything.

Vallejo Game Color isn't as exhaustive as Vallejo Model Color. Additionally, it doesn't have the ideal base-shade-highlight scheme that Reaper does; Reaper ends up with slight off-colors and tints that don't exist in Vallejo.

That being said, the majority of the people that care much about painting tend to use not-GW anyways, and the ones that do will be urged to switch to odd names. Rather than switching from Elf Flesh to whatever the unintuitive equivalent may be (like "Pallid Wych Flesh" or "The Right Earlobe of Eldrad Ulthran Unmasked When He Was Alive"), it'd be easier to just switch to Vallejo's Light Flesh.

insaniak wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Not to be a jerk, but...
The GW paint range was stable for quite a few years. This is the first time in the 15 years that I've been involved in miniature wargaming that GW has done something this radical in shifting all the names and completely "invalidating" their paint range.

If by 'stable' you mean 'getting colours dropped every couple of years' then yes, the GW paint range has been 'stable' for quite a few years.

That was nowhere near as common as you make it out to be and I'm sure you are quite aware of that.

Did it happen? Yeah. But there's a reason I said "something this radical in shifting all the names and completely "invalidating" their paint range" rather than "They've never, ever, ever done this before!".

The range was--for all intents and purposes--stable. You had a few colors dropped every so often but that was the exception, not the rule. I saw more colors added to the range than I did dropped.

Kanluwen wrote:That was nowhere near as common as you make it out to be and I'm sure you are quite aware of that.

I'm aware of nothing of the sort. GW have been constantly tweaking their paint range ever since they changed from the Coat D'arms range. Every time they have added colours, some colours have been removed.

Absolutionis wrote:

Skippy wrote:

Cameron Baum wrote:
And Vallejo will no doubt add to their range, to compete against GW, but the range they have already is pretty extensive. I suspect that things like textures will be copied, as opposed to individual paints.

Is it even possible for vallejo to expand their range? They already sell almost everything.

Vallejo Game Color isn't as exhaustive as Vallejo Model Color. Additionally, it doesn't have the ideal base-shade-highlight scheme that Reaper does; Reaper ends up with slight off-colors and tints that don't exist in Vallejo.

That being said, the majority of the people that care much about painting tend to use not-GW anyways, and the ones that do will be urged to switch to odd names. Rather than switching from Elf Flesh to whatever the unintuitive equivalent may be (like "Pallid Wych Flesh" or "The Right Earlobe of Eldrad Ulthran Unmasked When He Was Alive"), it'd be easier to just switch to Vallejo's Light Flesh.

Which is a good part of why I am changing. Even if this is all just a rumour, can we be certain that they won't do this in the future?

And everyone has been recommending using different paints from a number of sources. So, why go and be critical when people do this, and alter the main supply from GW to another?

Im just going to put this out there:

For such a sweeping change to a GW product line, this is by dakkadakka standards a pretty calm and civil thread

That's because the paint range isn't something most people get worked up about.

Bakerofish wrote:Im just going to put this out there:

For such a sweeping change to a GW product line, this is by dakkadakka standards a pretty calm and civil thread

Because I've not had a purple obsession in a while... :@P

It has been a tad heated a while back, but as more information comes our way, we get a better picture, and know where to direct our worries and concerns.

And it is not like the new paints can be on a scale like Finecast... And we have the advanced warning, so we can stock up on the colours needed to get armies complete.

Bakerofish wrote:Im just going to put this out there:
For such a sweeping change to a GW product line, this is by dakkadakka standards a pretty calm and civil thread

Wait until people here find out that GW nerfed Turquoise and overpowered the greens

Kroothawk wrote:

Bakerofish wrote:Im just going to put this out there:
For such a sweeping change to a GW product line, this is by dakkadakka standards a pretty calm and civil thread

Wait until people here find out that GW nerfed Turquoise and overpowered the greens

Careful, I made a comment a while back that having only two purples, but an entire range of greens was frakking ridiculous. I ended up with a lot of fire and brimstone as a result.

And the death of Hawk Turquoise is all the more incentive for me to go to other paints. Probably stick with GW metallics, mind you... but main colours will be fielded from opther sources.

insaniak wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Not to be a jerk, but...
The GW paint range was stable for quite a few years. This is the first time in the 15 years that I've been involved in miniature wargaming that GW has done something this radical in shifting all the names and completely "invalidating" their paint range.

If by 'stable' you mean 'getting colours dropped every couple of years' then yes, the GW paint range has been 'stable' for quite a few years.

Captain Vyper wrote: BUT when GW told everyone the paint was changing I bought extras of the stuff I knew I needed and I still have 2 sealed pots. If this is happening then why not just grab a few extra pots and make sure your covered. If it changes you will be safe, ...

...at least until you try to actually use that paint in 3 years time, and discover that it's all dried out.

This whole reasoning about people switching over to another brand really puzzles me as well. Bloody Red form Vallejo is not the exact same color of GW's Blood Red nor is it the same consistency or coverage, but your going to switch to that because they MIGHT come out with a new color named some thing other than Blood Red that your afraid may not be the exact color or consistency of the old Blood Red?

It's a 'straw that broke the camel's back' sort of thing. I've put up with the complete range revamps before. I've put up with colours I've been using being just randomly dropped from the range. And I'm finally at the point where I'm sick and tired of having to adjust my colour schemes to match GW's whims, so if I'm going to have to change everything again anyway, I might as well switch to a more stable range now and at least not have to do it again.

Added to which, the range I'm mostly switching to is Coat D'Arms... which is the range that GW were selling when I started. So by changing now, I simply get to switch back to the original colours that I was using when at least half of my armies were started.

I took your challenge and popped a pot of the old Dark Angels green, as i expected just as fresh as the day I bought it some 15 years ago so no issues there. But in all honesty if the contention is some one is upset about a company changing a color line ( that MIGHT not match exactly) for an army one is planning on painting 3 or more years later, then there is more issues than just a paint line change, its a bit of an extreme expectation for me. Just for clarity I went into one of the Vallejo suit cases of model color and was saddened to fine more than a few of those bottles had dried out. Was pretty sure those were not supposed to do that. Probably not colors I would ever had used much really but it is what it is, I guess even Vallejo's paint line can't last for ever either.