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So, with the Soaring Spite warlord trait and relic equipped, a harlequin solitaire with Blitz up can move

16" (transport) + 6" (relic) + 4" (disembark) + 12" (move) + 2D6" (blitz) + D6" (advance) + 2D6" (Charge).

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useful for getting to those Basilisks firing at maximum range in apoc games in one turn.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Truly feels that the Harlie codex is just an afterthought. Its all AOS, all the time right now. Sucks.

You should check the latest article, then.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/05/16/16th-may-harlequins-preview-stratagems-warlord-traits-and-moregw-homepage-post-1/

I love the strategem for shooting at units that fall back. I want it so bad for my marines and nids.

Wow. They won't give you a HQ Great Harlequin but they will give you a stratagem for it. Damn GW can suck.

the_scotsman wrote:
So, with the Soaring Spite warlord trait and relic equipped, a harlequin solitaire with Blitz up can move

16" (transport) + 6" (relic) + 4" (disembark) + 12" (move) + 2D6" (blitz) + D6" (advance) + 2D6" (Charge).

huehuehuehueheuheuheuheueheueheueheue3huehe3uyegheyure;wrhqklgjskdjhg;hjk

useful for getting to those Basilisks firing at maximum range in apoc games in one turn.

That assumes solitaire can take WL traits. In the past they have been specifically disallowed this.

 Galef wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
So, with the Soaring Spite warlord trait and relic equipped, a harlequin solitaire with Blitz up can move

16" (transport) + 6" (relic) + 4" (disembark) + 12" (move) + 2D6" (blitz) + D6" (advance) + 2D6" (Charge).

huehuehuehueheuheuheuheueheueheueheue3huehe3uyegheyure;wrhqklgjskdjhg;hjk

useful for getting to those Basilisks firing at maximum range in apoc games in one turn.

That assumes solitaire can take WL traits. In the past they have been specifically disallowed this.

Unless they change it they can right now.

pm713 wrote:
Wow. They won't give you a HQ Great Harlequin but they will give you a stratagem for it. Damn GW can suck.

Actually, I came up with a conceptual customization for one with using only harlequin bits we all probably have lying around. Take the Voidweaver gunner's body, replace the feet with more dynamic legs from a player, and maybe add a glaive from a sky/starweaver for flair.

The Player of Twilight warlord trait is a huge winner. The command point generation potential is immense. Just got to roll those 1s, 2s and 3s! Player of Light isn't bad either. A shame we wont have away to get more that one trait like the DE!

 Khaine wrote:
The Player of Twilight warlord trait is a huge winner. The command point generation potential is immense. Just got to roll those 1s, 2s and 3s! Player of Light isn't bad either. A shame we wont have away to get more that one trait like the DE!

Just reread that one, and the ability to gain multiple command points is insane! If you're feeling really frisky, you can even command point the roll on a multi CP stratagem to get those points and have the possibility to get your reroll CP back too.

I wish they'd have previewed the changes to the Neuro Disruptor, I've got a bunch of them in my bits box and I'm eager to use them!

A stratagem that makes the invul save better per model in the unit killed that turn... up to a 3+... Kinda sounds like we are losing that 4++ and headed back to 5++ territory, which would be terrible.

 mokoshkana wrote:

 Khaine wrote:
The Player of Twilight warlord trait is a huge winner. The command point generation potential is immense. Just got to roll those 1s, 2s and 3s! Player of Light isn't bad either. A shame we wont have away to get more that one trait like the DE!

Just reread that one, and the ability to gain multiple command points is insane! If you're feeling really frisky, you can even command point the roll on a multi CP stratagem to get those points and have the possibility to get your reroll CP back too.

But you have to exactly match the result though, and most Strats are 1-2 CPs. It seems about as good as other traits that roll a 6 to regain CPs

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Goobi2 wrote:
A stratagem that makes the invul save better per model in the unit killed that turn... up to a 3+... Kinda sounds like we are losing that 4++ and headed back to 5++ territory, which would be terrible.

No it's definitely still 4++, they wrote that under the Veiled Path section of the first WC article.

pm713 wrote:
Wow. They won't give you a HQ Great Harlequin but they will give you a stratagem for it. Damn GW can suck.

It's the same as the Chapter Master upgrade stratagem.

Goobi2 wrote:
A stratagem that makes the invul save better per model in the unit killed that turn... up to a 3+... Kinda sounds like we are losing that 4++ and headed back to 5++ territory, which would be terrible.

I think you're just misreading it. The number of casualties doesn't matter, its just a flat +1 to the save. The wording is a tad wonky, but I think it's to prevent the solitare from using the stratagem.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Galef wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
So, with the Soaring Spite warlord trait and relic equipped, a harlequin solitaire with Blitz up can move

16" (transport) + 6" (relic) + 4" (disembark) + 12" (move) + 2D6" (blitz) + D6" (advance) + 2D6" (Charge).

huehuehuehueheuheuheuheueheueheueheue3huehe3uyegheyure;wrhqklgjskdjhg;hjk

useful for getting to those Basilisks firing at maximum range in apoc games in one turn.

That assumes solitaire can take WL traits. In the past they have been specifically disallowed this.

Unless they change it they can right now.

They can take Core Book traits - but Chapter Approved limited the Harlequin traits to any character other than the Solitaire.

 Galef wrote:

 mokoshkana wrote:

 Khaine wrote:
The Player of Twilight warlord trait is a huge winner. The command point generation potential is immense. Just got to roll those 1s, 2s and 3s! Player of Light isn't bad either. A shame we wont have away to get more that one trait like the DE!

Just reread that one, and the ability to gain multiple command points is insane! If you're feeling really frisky, you can even command point the roll on a multi CP stratagem to get those points and have the possibility to get your reroll CP back too.

But you have to exactly match the result though, and most Strats are 1-2 CPs. It seems about as good as other traits that roll a 6 to regain CPs
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Exactly. On average you still get 1/6th of the spent CP back. But rolling only once makes it more swingy than 1 roll / spent CP. So I would consider this strait slightly worse than the usual one.
To me it's a clear winner, like most straits that are similar.

The Mirrorstave is a interesting relic. more effective targeting elite armies. It wounds space marine tanks on a 3+.

If you have a fusion pistol troupe mounted in a Starweaver in combat and the unit the weaver is in combat with falls back does that mean the troupe can use Cegorach's Jest or only the Starweaver? "as if it were the shooting phase" makes me think that maybe the troupe can shoot too as they would be allowed to normally "as if it were the shooting phase" because of the opened topped transport rules.

 rollawaythestone wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Wow. They won't give you a HQ Great Harlequin but they will give you a stratagem for it. Damn GW can suck.

It's the same as the Chapter Master upgrade stratagem.

well, except that it only makes him as good as half of a space marine captain, and the chapter master upgrade gives you reroll all misses in shooting and in melee...but, details...

fresus wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 mokoshkana wrote:

 Khaine wrote:
The Player of Twilight warlord trait is a huge winner. The command point generation potential is immense. Just got to roll those 1s, 2s and 3s! Player of Light isn't bad either. A shame we wont have away to get more that one trait like the DE!

Just reread that one, and the ability to gain multiple command points is insane! If you're feeling really frisky, you can even command point the roll on a multi CP stratagem to get those points and have the possibility to get your reroll CP back too.

But you have to exactly match the result though, and most Strats are 1-2 CPs. It seems about as good as other traits that roll a 6 to regain CPs
-

Exactly. On average you still get 1/6th of the spent CP back. But rolling only once makes it more swingy than 1 roll / spent CP. So I would consider this strait slightly worse than the usual one.
To me it's a clear winner, like most straits that are similar.

Don't most abilities like this that allow for multiple rolls only work for one side, specifically only friendly or enemy and not both?

 Galef wrote:

 mokoshkana wrote:

 Khaine wrote:
The Player of Twilight warlord trait is a huge winner. The command point generation potential is immense. Just got to roll those 1s, 2s and 3s! Player of Light isn't bad either. A shame we wont have away to get more that one trait like the DE!

Just reread that one, and the ability to gain multiple command points is insane! If you're feeling really frisky, you can even command point the roll on a multi CP stratagem to get those points and have the possibility to get your reroll CP back too.

But you have to exactly match the result though, and most Strats are 1-2 CPs. It seems about as good as other traits that roll a 6 to regain CPs

-

It's always just a 1 in 6 chance to get CP back, except there is potential to get more than 1 CP. So it is better, you just have to be lucky and get it not on a 1CP but a 3CP.

the_scotsman wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Wow. They won't give you a HQ Great Harlequin but they will give you a stratagem for it. Damn GW can suck.

It's the same as the Chapter Master upgrade stratagem.

well, except that it only makes him as good as half of a space marine captain, and the chapter master upgrade gives you reroll all misses in shooting and in melee...but, details...

Troupe Masters also let you reroll all failed wound rolls, and with the Strategem re-roll hit rolls of 1. It also cost 1CP less. But, details...

the_scotsman wrote:

well, except that it only makes him as good as half of a space marine captain, and the chapter master upgrade gives you reroll all misses in shooting and in melee...but, details...

Speaking of details.

That captain doesn't have a flip belt, advance and charge, or reroll all fight wounds bubble.

I'm sure if we thought about it there are strong reasons for them to not get full reroll hits and wounds in the fight phase from one ~60 point model let alone reroll all shooting hits.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

well, except that it only makes him as good as half of a space marine captain, and the chapter master upgrade gives you reroll all misses in shooting and in melee...but, details...

Speaking of details.

That captain doesn't have a flip belt, advance and charge, or reroll all wounds bubble.

I'm sure if we thought about it there are strong reasons for them to not get full reroll hits and wounds in the fight phase from one ~60 point model let alone reroll all shooting hits.

The model will now be 70-85 points depending on the loadout and it is still only T3, but your point is valid nonetheless.

 mokoshkana wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

well, except that it only makes him as good as half of a space marine captain, and the chapter master upgrade gives you reroll all misses in shooting and in melee...but, details...

Speaking of details.

That captain doesn't have a flip belt, advance and charge, or reroll all wounds bubble.

I'm sure if we thought about it there are strong reasons for them to not get full reroll hits and wounds in the fight phase from one ~60 point model let alone reroll all shooting hits.

The model will now be 70-85 points depending on the loadout and it is still only T3, but your point is valid nonetheless.

Im definitely excited for a Great Harlequin Troupe Master that has a bubble of re-rolls 1 to hit, re-roll wounds, and re-roll charge rolls.

 rollawaythestone wrote:

 mokoshkana wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

well, except that it only makes him as good as half of a space marine captain, and the chapter master upgrade gives you reroll all misses in shooting and in melee...but, details...

Speaking of details.

That captain doesn't have a flip belt, advance and charge, or reroll all wounds bubble.

I'm sure if we thought about it there are strong reasons for them to not get full reroll hits and wounds in the fight phase from one ~60 point model let alone reroll all shooting hits.

The model will now be 70-85 points depending on the loadout and it is still only T3, but your point is valid nonetheless.

Im definitely excited for a Great Harlequin Troupe Master that has a bubble of re-rolls 1 to hit, re-roll wounds, and re-roll charge rolls.

Haha paint him with a big ol' bulls-eye on his back! The Vindicare will house that dude...

The big take for me is what is the Curtainfall?

mokoshkana wrote:Don't most abilities like this that allow for multiple rolls only work for one side, specifically only friendly or enemy and not both?

Some are both. Some are only friendly but on a 5+ (which is roughly the same as 6+ on both sides).

Aren73 wrote:It's always just a 1 in 6 chance to get CP back, except there is potential to get more than 1 CP. So it is better, you just have to be lucky and get it not on a 1CP but a 3CP.

Other abilities are usually "roll 1 dice per CP spent", which again is similar on average, but has a lower variance.


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 bullyboy wrote:
The big take for me is what is the Curtainfall?

A normal Shrieker cannon with an additional melee profile you'll never use.
I'm only half joking actually, since the DJ is the only Harlie without a melee weapon.

 bullyboy wrote:
The big take for me is what is the Curtainfall?

Let's hope it's useful, I'd like to see the Death Jester useful for once, it's basically always been a sub-par choice apart from when there was that special one you could take with Shrouded in 7th. Something about being a single model with a Shuriken Cannon has never quite worked.

The way they wrote the Shrieking Doom stratagem makes it seem like they made the shrieker profile better because if they didn't then what's the point of this stratagem?