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Bought this up because I heard some grumbling about lack of dedication to the game and how it wasn't right because everyone else had spent on FW models. Thoughts?

so long as the weapons match, I don't see why anyone should care. Technically MK 7 was around at the seige of terra, and so could easilly be fluffed up for a force with prototype armour. This is double true for emperor's children who had the right to wear the Aquilla.


I can also say that I've only ever heard the argument you gave in extreme 'straw man' arguments or from people obviously being sarcasting, though I could have missed something.

Yes people say stuff like this and yes you should tell them to go bleep themselves. If your using the legion army list people shouldnt care what you payed for your models or what armour mark they are in. There is a difference between trying to stay fluffy and being an elitist bleep.

You don't need to have forgeworld. To some people, BaC isn't good enough. As long as you have some pieces that make it feel like a 30k army then there shouldn't be a problem. Like others have said, as long as the weapons are correct (I don't mean the correct mk bolters, but 30k guns like volkite should be at least converted).

At a glance they all the look the same. I think it's personal taste. I have BaC and am about to start a DG force. I would kill to have the whole force as mk3 but I can't justify that cost. I will probably pick up five to kit out officers but that's only because I personally love the aesthetic of mk3. As long as you think your guys look cool then there's nothing wrong with using 40k stuff.
I know I sure as hell couldn't justify buying the forgeworld rhinos and drop pods and would definitely use the 40k ones.

That said I do feel like you should make an effort to make the army feel like a 30k force but at the end of the day It's just all about how happy you are with your own army.

IMO there's a standard that gamers should be held to, such as all painted, based, authentic (or reasonable quality proxy) models. I don't care where you got that Mk 4 armor, as long as it's painted and ready to have a good time.


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IMO there's a standard that gamers should be held to, such as all painted, based, authentic (or reasonable quality proxy) models. I don't care where you got that Mk 4 armor, as long as it's painted and ready to have a good time.

If your models were in Mk 7 and/or painted in non-Legion colors I wouldn't gain as much enjoyment as playing against someone who uses older patterns of power armor/lore accurate paint schemes but I wouldn't be a douche about it.

On a side note, I do think people who look down on those using BaC are elitist snobs. I sincerely think that the mark included in the box doesn't matter. It's the fact that the models are cheaper.

I think in general they should be using miniature appropriate to the setting. If they want to try things out, that's fine. If they have a reason for something being anachronistic, that's cool too. However there should be some general pressure, however slight, to push them towards the appropriate models. IF they aren't interested in playing "in the setting" why are they playing in this setting?

It's certainly elitist to say spend "$1000 dollars on Forge World" but there is obviously some substantial middle ground between here and there.

Ok I have been playing 30k pretty much since the release of Betrayal, and I honestly have not heard a single person talking badly about a legion built out in Calth Mk IV. I think that is being spread by people who simply want to use their 40k stuff for 30k.

I have said all along that there is a way to make due with plastic, there is plenty of Mk VI plastic out there and the Corvus pattern was absolutely in use during the Heresy, heavily in fact by both the Raven Guard and Alpha Legion, and in other legions to a lesser extent but still within reason to use for your Legion.

There is no excuse to be using 40k tactical marines in 30k with the arrival of Calth. I have a ton of resin MK IV and III that I used with my Imperial Fists, but I have picked up several Calth boxes to build out my Alpha Legion supplemented with plastic MK VI. If someone wanted to play a game with a bunch of MK VII marines as a counts as a legion force I would absolutely play. Afterword I would talk to him about how to replace that lousy Mk VII with the correct armour marks.

Vehicles are a different story altogether, as the Mars pattern was in use during the Heresy, but I am using a mixture of Deimos and Mars in both my legions.

I am not an elitist, but I play 30k because I love the fluff and the models. Pick up the Red Books a box of Calth or two and repaint your 40k vehicles and you are good to go.

I think it depends on your gaming group honestly. I played a dark angel player the other day in regular 40k. All my stuff is painted and represented. His force 1/4 painted, about half his stuff proxy. He was telling me everything in his force so i would know... half way through i told him "u know i honestly wont remember all that and in a battle people in real life dont always know what the enemy has (ie: ww2 most tanks were tiger tanks.. when they were maybe a panzer 4 lol). We played and had a good time... so it just depends on who you have to play against i would say.

My 30k force so far is 2 sets of BAC and some vehicles like regular land raiders. My brother who is my main person to play 30k against is not an asshat and if he were i am the older brother so i would give him a wedgie lol.

I wouldnt bother playing aginst an elitist player myself who insisted on everything being forgeworld... mainly cause my greybeard would tell me that the game might not be that fun to play if the guy was so into being perfect... the game would probably be a rules lawyer game and wouldnt be fun to me lol.

I granted would love to play against and with full fluff armies, but everyone is on different levels in the hobby. Its a hobby and a game and should be fun for all involved. In the end the example of the dark angel battle i played.. i looked past it cause if nothing else i had a fun game and they were dark angels after all.. i cant expect them to be up to the same standards that the Space Wolves have .

Don't care. Game is a game is a game. Doesn't matter what the tokens look like.

Game is a game is what got 40k Riptides and formations.

If you are not protective of something then there is a greater likelihood that you will lose it.

That being said if it's just you and a couple friends then what difference does my opinion make.

The Heresy is all I have left with this hobby, and I have managed to get a sizable number of my gaming group into the Heresy and also have expanded it within my region.

I have flown across the Atlantic twice to meet the guys who built this setting, I want to see period models on the table.

Losing to a bunch of possessed chaos space marines who are supposed to be Gal Vorbak would leave a very bad taste in my mouth.

Doesn't bother me too much- I can't blame people for not enabling GW/FW to buttpound them with their overpriced models. Not everyone is an upper middle-class person born and raised in an upper middle-class family with tons of disposable income to throw into the fire like that.

From a rules perspective I enjoy the challenge, as 30K Marines are underpowered below 2000 points compared to their 40K compatriots.

I'm fine as long as it's not an Eldar army proxied as World Eaters (I have played this).

As long as they are marines, it does not matter to me.

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:
I'm fine as long as it's not an Eldar army proxied as World Eaters (I have played this).

As long as they are marines, it does not matter to me.

Those Eldar sure are tricky that way....

 TheManWithNoPlan wrote:
and how it wasn't right because everyone else had spent on FW models. Thoughts?

That's like going out for drinks with someone and having them complain because you order yourself a beer whilst they have a fancy cocktail that costs three times the price.
I wouldn't want to drink or game or do anything else with that sort of person.


That said I would look down on someone who used MkVII marines for a pre-Terra Heresy army, but I'd have zero issue with someone using them for a Scouring era loyalist force (the original armour fluff article outright stated that legions were mostly equipped with Mk6 & 7 when they were broken up).

I do not really care. They are Marines so it's close enough.

Of course I appreciate the effort of having accurate marks but it really does not bother me all that much.

 TheManWithNoPlan wrote:
Bought this up because I heard some grumbling about lack of dedication to the game and how it wasn't right because everyone else had spent on FW models. Thoughts?

And? It's no different then someone who shows up with an Ebay army, who plays against someone with a store bought army.

Because I paid more for my army, you're not allowed to play with me? Elitism much?


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 Ashiraya wrote:
I do not really care. They are Marines so it's close enough.

Of course I appreciate the effort of having accurate marks but it really does not bother me all that much.

Mark 7 armor was already making its way out to legions during the heresy, that is what most 40K marine armor is. So you can't even really get into pendantics about the armor.

I have no issues with someone using 40k marines for 30k.

Don't see a problem with it.

Here are my Space Wolves (Crap pics in bound)

They are normal 40k wolves with FW bolt guns (purchased them before they started the heresy stuff) and the Mk4 helms that I didn't use on my TS got placed on the wolves.







I ensure all vehicles are true to the fluff tho and the command team all have Mk2 armor.

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 Ashiraya wrote:
I do not really care. They are Marines so it's close enough.

Of course I appreciate the effort of having accurate marks but it really does not bother me all that much.

Mark 7 armor was already making its way out to legions during the heresy, that is what most 40K marine armor is. So you can't even really get into pendantics about the armor.

It was around for exactly one battle at the end of the Horus Heresy. So unless you're just doing the Battle of Terra you actually can be pedantic.

I think you can use most of the 40K space marines in a 30K game as long as you painted them in Pre-Heresy legion colours.

After all, HH is pretty expensive and I am sure we all try to reduce our cost in this amazing game

I use lego for 30k now. It use to be about pride and making everything perfect. Now it is just clone wars boc and stand ins.

It is like going to a dirt bike rally with a wheelbarrel and saying it is fine guys I am not paying their big prices but I can play two.

Ya sure you can play but you kill everything that made it great and wanted to come for. So you are killing what you loved and other people aswell.

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I use lego for 30k now. It use to be about pride and making everything perfect. Now it is just clone wars boc and stand ins.

It is like going to a dirt bike rally with a wheelbarrel and saying it is fine guys I am not paying their big prices but I can play two.

Ya sure you can play but you kill everything that made it great and wanted to come for. So you are killing what you loved and other people aswell.

What's wrong with BaC Mk IV marines? Is it that they're cheaper than the resin marines? Because if you're complaining about armies looking the same... you're kind of in the wrong game. Horus Heresy is about different colored marines fighting each other.

Has anyone here actually experienced first hand an opponent being condescending or rude over what mark of SM armour their army is comprised of, or whether their models are fw/40k/BaC? Out of interest.

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 Ashiraya wrote:
I do not really care. They are Marines so it's close enough.

Of course I appreciate the effort of having accurate marks but it really does not bother me all that much.

Mark 7 armor was already making its way out to legions during the heresy, that is what most 40K marine armor is. So you can't even really get into pendantics about the armor.

It was around for exactly one battle at the end of the Horus Heresy. So unless you're just doing the Battle of Terra you actually can be pedantic.

According to that article from 1991. The same article that said mk 6 armour was deployed as the traitors entered the Sol system, and now Forge World have it being deployed by two legions at Isstvan.

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 Ashiraya wrote:
I do not really care. They are Marines so it's close enough.

Of course I appreciate the effort of having accurate marks but it really does not bother me all that much.

Mark 7 armor was already making its way out to legions during the heresy, that is what most 40K marine armor is. So you can't even really get into pendantics about the armor.

It was around for exactly one battle at the end of the Horus Heresy. So unless you're just doing the Battle of Terra you actually can be pedantic.

According to that article from 1991. The same article that said mk 6 armour was deployed as the traitors entered the Sol system, and now Forge World have it being deployed by two legions at Isstvan.

Do you have any evidence of Mk. 7 being deployed before the Battle of Terra?

It really depends, if you have the army but are using a stand in force to sub for them I don't see why that would be a problem for the time being. However, I'm not playing 30k to play against 40k. I'm playing 30k vs 30k and I don't want that experience to be dulled by playing against 40k marines as 30k. It would really just take away that HH feel of the game and that is what I'm after.

BUT...I don't see myself turning down a game, I will just have to use my imagination even harder than usual. Hell, I won't even play my IF army until it is all built and at least half painted.

I think if the stuff is properly painted in legion colors, it's probably hard to notice until you look close.

The thing is, even some artwork from collected visions shows word bearers at calth who look more like 30k 'spikey marines' than the betrayal at calth models.



Try to be true to yout vision of you army. And if that vision is "I can afford to build a 3000 point army if I do it this way, and not if I buy resin", why should we get to look down on them?

 JamesY wrote:
Has anyone here actually experienced first hand an opponent being condescending or rude over what mark of SM armour their army is comprised of, or whether their models are fw/40k/BaC? Out of interest.

Some folks in here, but in person not really. I've even been trying to encourage a player who has a 40K Ultramarine army to use his marines for 30K, just to get some more guys playing.