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 NTRabbit wrote:
The swords looks to be based on a spatha, which is pretty spot on for a fantasy Byzantine Empire.

Standard bearer seems to have a gladius, and a lighter weapon is fairly appropriate for the flag holder - the Ogre Standard Bearers come with an arm that has an all in one wrist mounted dagger and buckler, in place of the larger shield arm.

The problem is that the plastic kit only comes with the Minecraft Gladius swords, the kind that you say are appropriate for the flag holder. Also, we all know it's not because Mantic are studiously researching Byzantium but because too many people complained about the swords being too big when the first MaA kit came out, back when miniature scale was different and everyone though true scale was the future.

This explains where that well that turned up in a few videos comes from

3 new sets for release in around 2 months time

Village Square £24.99
Market Stalls £7.99
Gallows and Stocks £7.99

It's really a shame Mantic still uses this gakky material. Dirt cheap, yes, but it has a price. It's not fun to work with their despicable PVC.

Terrain is good when it's one sturdy piece, but gets awful when it's about girders or long thin stuff. It's always soft and easily bending. Barely worth the time painting, IMHO.

Those market stalls are extremely attractive at that price. I will definitely be picking some up.

what is the obelisk like think in the town pack?

 Sarouan wrote:
It's really a shame Mantic still uses this gakky material. Dirt cheap, yes, but it has a price. It's not fun to work with their despicable PVC.

Terrain is good when it's one sturdy piece, but gets awful when it's about girders or long thin stuff. It's always soft and easily bending. Barely worth the time painting, IMHO.

The cheap PVC for these really annoyed me at first and now, outside of the wagons, it doesn't bother me at all. I glued most of the fencing together to create squared farms and such as after a quick boil they all turned out nicely but don't have enough base to really stand up by themselves. The wagons are just annoying as I can't really keep the wheels straight.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
what is the obelisk like think in the town pack?

 Sarouan wrote:
It's really a shame Mantic still uses this gakky material. Dirt cheap, yes, but it has a price. It's not fun to work with their despicable PVC.

Terrain is good when it's one sturdy piece, but gets awful when it's about girders or long thin stuff. It's always soft and easily bending. Barely worth the time painting, IMHO.

The cheap PVC for these really annoyed me at first and now, outside of the wagons, it doesn't bother me at all. I glued most of the fencing together to create squared farms and such as after a quick boil they all turned out nicely but don't have enough base to really stand up by themselves. The wagons are just annoying as I can't really keep the wheels straight.

Village Square Contains:

1x Hangman's Gallows
1x Well
4x Market Stalls
2x Stocks
1x Table
Various Food / Goods
1x Ancient Stone Marker

Yeah the wheels on the cart are a write off I just replaced them with appropriately sized metal cannon wheels.

And I was googling around for a nice village well this week, too. Looks like Ićll be getting this set.

 DaveC wrote:

 Monkeysloth wrote:
what is the obelisk like think in the town pack?

 Sarouan wrote:
It's really a shame Mantic still uses this gakky material. Dirt cheap, yes, but it has a price. It's not fun to work with their despicable PVC.

Terrain is good when it's one sturdy piece, but gets awful when it's about girders or long thin stuff. It's always soft and easily bending. Barely worth the time painting, IMHO.

The cheap PVC for these really annoyed me at first and now, outside of the wagons, it doesn't bother me at all. I glued most of the fencing together to create squared farms and such as after a quick boil they all turned out nicely but don't have enough base to really stand up by themselves. The wagons are just annoying as I can't really keep the wheels straight.

Village Square Contains:

1x Hangman's Gallows
1x Well
4x Market Stalls
2x Stocks
1x Table
Various Food / Goods
1x Ancient Stone Marker

Yeah the wheels on the cart are a write off I just replaced them with appropriately sized metal cannon wheels.

Thanks. I can see the stone texture now that I look close, just an odd design makes it look framed in wood.

I have a couple of 3d printers, just need to sit down and mock up replacement wheels. Probably won't take very long, just haven't done it yet.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
what is the obelisk like think in the town pack?

 Sarouan wrote:
It's really a shame Mantic still uses this gakky material. Dirt cheap, yes, but it has a price. It's not fun to work with their despicable PVC.

Terrain is good when it's one sturdy piece, but gets awful when it's about girders or long thin stuff. It's always soft and easily bending. Barely worth the time painting, IMHO.

The cheap PVC for these really annoyed me at first and now, outside of the wagons, it doesn't bother me at all. I glued most of the fencing together to create squared farms and such as after a quick boil they all turned out nicely but don't have enough base to really stand up by themselves. The wagons are just annoying as I can't really keep the wheels straight.

I cheated with the wagons - and busted one of them up.

I spent a year in Kansas, back around 1972 - and it was not at all uncommon to see rotting wagons.

The trick with the unbusted wagon was to put it on a base, adding ruts and hoof prints behind it, and sinking it into green stuff. The green stuff holds the wheels in place, and keeps them from drifting outwards or sideways.

When doing the hot water bath, giving them an ice water plunge helps lock them in place as well.

I also have an ox figure from the WizKids Deep Cuts line, which makes a much better fit than the bored looking horse that Mantic provides.


Moo. (Image taken from The War Store.)

With work, it is nice enough that I may get a third - and giving that one a wagon tongue.

The Auld Grump - most used items have been the barricades.

 Sarouan wrote:
It's really a shame Mantic still uses this gakky material. Dirt cheap, yes, but it has a price. It's not fun to work with their despicable PVC.

Terrain is good when it's one sturdy piece, but gets awful when it's about girders or long thin stuff. It's always soft and easily bending. Barely worth the time painting, IMHO.

I separated my four boxes of Terrain Crate into two sets of two boxes. Two contain stuff that's okay to work with out of the box, or stuff that will be worth trying to fix with hot water.

The other two boxes are the stuff I'll probably never realistically have time to fix because they're so badly warped, and thus, never do anything with in any form. Out to the shed they go in case I change my mind later, after I've done the first batches of stuff.

 Azazelx wrote:


The other two boxes are the stuff I'll probably never realistically have time to fix because they're so badly warped, and thus, never do anything with in any form. Out to the shed they go in case I change my mind later, after I've done the first batches of stuff.

Yes, that's what I did too. Since it's dirt cheap, you don't mind it too much, but it's really a shame I won't be using the candlesticks because they're completely unusable in their current, warped stated.

You get what you pay for, and I can already see in that new set what will be really usable and what will end up being garbage because of the material they use.

Yeah, anything with legs or beams is likely to have some severe issues. Which, sadly is almost everything in the set...

An old trick from Bones generation 1 is to heat a paperclip/metal rod with a flame and just push it into the PVC part to strengthen it. Works really well but you have to get the metal pretty hot.

Just to add to the above there is a fourth market set that mixes the cart with the stalls.

There's a few more sets but they are all stuff that was done in the KS just arranged into different packs.

I might pick up some more tents and the like to make proper battlefield campsites. The smaller tents and accessories work well in any setting there's nothing on them that restricts them to a fantasy setting.

Individual sprues are now available from Mantic for Vanguard

http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war-vanguard/sprues.html

and KoW Vanguard free rules

Core Rules
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6ib93ht5mbo1pzr/Vanguard%20Free%20Rules%20Download.pdf?dl=0

Starter Warbands
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zlw7cs00fg5j3ey/Vanguard%20Starter%20Warband%20Guide.pdf?dl=0

And some of the KS commenters are very unhappy about the half price (time limited preorder) on the rule book

Be warned that the Men at Arms sprue is the old, crappy version.

So, I looked over the free pdf and like what I see but Mantic's £ to $ conversion seems a bit excessive. Plus their shipping is a tad pricey. Anyone know a good US friendly discounter for these?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
And some of the KS commenters are very unhappy about the half price (time limited preorder) on the rule book

Looks like Mantic is really desperate to get attention for their skirmish game and not get crushed and left behind by GW new games' steamroller.

But yeah, of course they are upset. That's why you should never back a Mantic Kickstarter ever again - just wait for retail or people selling on ebay, you'll get it cheaper anyway.

Half price rulebooks are pretty standard for Mantic promotional periods, nothing to do with Kill Team or whatever.

Only just noticed this now - details of the KoW Nightstalker Army releases

January 2019

The Nightstalker Army includes 40 hard plastic Spectres/Scarecrows, 5 resin and plastic Shadowhounds, 3 plastic Butchers, 1 plastic Horror, 1 resin Shade, and bases. MSRP is £59.99 $89.99

The Nightstalker Mega Army includes 30 hard plastic Spectres/Scarecrows, 10 resin and plastic Phantoms, 10 resin and plastic Reapers, 6 plastic Butchers, 1 plastic Horror, 1 resin and plastic Terror, and bases. MSRP is £99.99 $149.99.

The Nightstalker Needlefangs Regiment includes 3 metal Needlefangs Swarms with 40mm square bases. MSRP is £14.99 $19.99.

The Nightstalker Shadowhulk includes 1 multipart resin and plastic Shadowhulk with 75mm square base. MSRP is £29.99 $49.99.

The Nightstalker Fiends Regiment includes 3 multipart resin fiends with 50mm square bases. MSRP is £24.99 $39.99.

It looks like the Terror is a plastic Nameless Goliath with Resin conversion parts and the Shadowhulk is a plastic giant with alternate bits. PVC minis from Vanguard get some resin conversion bits as well.

 Taarnak wrote:
So, I looked over the free pdf and like what I see but Mantic's £ to $ conversion seems a bit excessive. Plus their shipping is a tad pricey. Anyone know a good US friendly discounter for these?

The Warstore tends to carry their stuff.

Also there was an update today that shipping should start Friday which means, unless the warehouse works weekends, Monday. Still good to hear.

Edit: Wow the Giant waist and feet adornments really make that look out of place with the heads and arms. Still, can understand why Mantic want to use that giant as much as possible.

Could anybody with the Walking Dead dice list the die facings for the 3 colors of dice? They're supposedly the same as the Power Dice except the Vanguard dice have swords instead of pips

Yeah they are going to milk that giant kit for all it’s worth. The waist is what it is but the feet are separate from below the knee so they could have done something there to make it more distinct.

 DaveC wrote:
Yeah they are going to milk that giant kit for all it’s worth. The waist is what it is but the feet are separate from below the knee so they could have done something there to make it more distinct.

the Shields decor should be replaceable too with something as well.

 Monkeysloth wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Yeah they are going to milk that giant kit for all it’s worth. The waist is what it is but the feet are separate from below the knee so they could have done something there to make it more distinct.

the Shields decor should be replaceable too with something as well.

The shields are molded to the body. But actually the waist comes in a few parts but at what point do you stop swapping out parts and just end up with a totally new mini I guess they decided to stop at head and arms. The Frost giant ended up being a huge chunk of resin after all the swap outs and they probably wanted to avoid that again.

I just received two copies of Deep Madness, so that's my Nightstalkers all sorted.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
And some of the KS commenters are very unhappy about the half price (time limited preorder) on the rule book

This is the internet and, moreover, Kickstarter. Of course some people are upset about something, but Mantic is a company and KS is a way to fund projects not to massage egos and bend to the wants of a few people with access to a keyboard and some spare time.

I like the new renders, the Terror is a step up from the Goliath.

 .Mikes. wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
And some of the KS commenters are very unhappy about the half price (time limited preorder) on the rule book

This is the internet and, moreover, Kickstarter. Of course some people are upset about something, but Mantic is a company and KS is a way to fund projects not to massage egos and bend to the wants of a few people with access to a keyboard and some spare time.

And being the internet, other people will carry water for companies all day long, pooling even the most legitimate complaints in with the most egregious outliers of unreasonable.