Flying Frog Productions: Forbidden Fortress (Shadows of Brimstone Standalone)

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**ced1106**

KS link : https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1034852783/shadows-of-brimstone-forbidden-fortress?ref=profile_created

Wave 2 is coming December / January. : https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1034852783/shadows-of-brimstone/posts/1711398

FF pics from GenCon: https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1616771/standalone-game-expands-sob-gencon-2016-reveal-for

Dakka SoB thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1260/559369.page

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

So how close to a proper, persistent random dungeon crawl did this end up being?

Weren't some bits like the town phase restricted to KS backers?

I'm thinking if it is a proper, co-op OG Warhammer Quest I might need to hunt it down once the wife and I exhaust Mansions of Madness 2nd Ed.

**Aeneades**

They released a full town expansion -

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/183017/shadows-brimstone-frontier-town-expansion

The only Kickstarter exclusive item was one character class (and I think it may have only been the actual miniature that was exclusive).

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

Neat. So assuming I hunt it all down, is it one of those enormous, random dungeon crawls a group can enjoy forever, ala OG Warhammer Quest?

**Nostromodamus**

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Neat. So assuming I hunt it all down, is it one of those enormous, random dungeon crawls a group can enjoy forever, ala OG Warhammer Quest?

YES! Very much so.

I'll be backing this from the instant it goes live. SoB is amazing

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

What are the best bang-for-buck purchases to initially make? I see Amazon legitimately has 15 expansions of various sizes, and many are almost out of stock.

**455_PWR**

Best bang for the buck would be both core sets and all three big box expansions (cinders, trederra, frontier town). Then I'd add in the resin character classes from ffg's website (they commonly go on sale for $8-$16 each, with their class rules and card).

This gives you the mine tiles, swamp tiles, arctic tiles, cinders tiles, trench tiles, and the town map (as well as extra enemies). The added characters give you more hero classes and more options.

Then it's just a matter of adding the monsters you like after that. They all play very differently and add different elements to the game.

**highlord tamburlaine**

The town adds a lot if you want just one expansion. Plus there's bandits included as well as a board for the town missions themselves.

I like City of Ancients more than the Swamps. Maybe it's due to the ancient technology abandoned and crummy weather messing with your characters.

Regardless I'll be in from the moment this goes live.

**H.B.M.C.**

Sure would be cool if they sold the tiles separately...

**ced1106**

Here're the BGG entry for the game. Haven't played it yet, myself. Mini's are bleah, so I'm hoping the Reaper Bones IV KS will have proxies I can use.

Check out the fanmade HexCrawl in the files section for a campaign game!

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/146791/shadows-brimstone-city-ancients/forums/63

**endtransmission**

The models in the initial boxes are a bit soft on detail, but what we have seen of the newer stuff, they are improving with each plastic release. The trederra models are looking nice.

**Grot 6**

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
What are the best bang-for-buck purchases to initially make? I see Amazon legitimately has 15 expansions of various sizes, and many are almost out of stock.

Depends on your commitment to the game, honestly. To me, the best bang was to throw in for a minecart level pledge, and buy the rest of the expansions, figures. They are entirely great value, and the number of extras was pretty staggering.

My issues were that the project turned into a monty haul campaign, though. If you don't stay on top of it, the expansions and extras get a little overwhelming, and you can lose track of them.

Great game though. Honestly it is going to be pretty cool to add in a couple of Ninja's and Pirates to the crews...

A question I'd ask FF is to see if they would consider Monster crews, next... I could see a few of those aliens and Oriental Monsters getting in on some of that action, and gathering up some of that stone, and artifacts for their own evil schemes...

It would be cool to run two or three different crews in there, and have them fight it out, and even turning on each other and changing sides, halfway through. Take Good The Bad, and The Ugly to a whole new level.

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

Just ordered City of Ancients, Frontier Towns, and Masters of the Void as our "entry" into the series. My wife and I should love it.

So can someone explain how I go about adding expansions? Do I just combined EVERYTHING to create on giant pool of random enemies, locations, loot, etc?

Also, how are campaigns/missions/progression generated? Do I create a pool of missions based on everything I own, and they just randomly come up?

**endtransmission**

Welcome to the Brimstone train! There is a separate thread in the Boardgames section that would be better for your questions, so this one can be kept for KS news

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

endtransmission wrote:
Welcome to the Brimstone train! There is a separate thread in the Boardgames section that would be better for your questions, so this one can be kept for KS news

Sure, and apologies if this was misplaced. That said, its probably valuable info in the hours leading to the new KS to help inform Dakka-users too. I definitely feel like i'll be going hard at this KS, especially as I regret now not getting the "Minecart" for the original. I doubt they'll do that one again as it apparently cost them a fortune, but it would be nice.

**ced1106**

I think we have a few hours to kill...

I would wait for a sale, since it's the holiday season. eBay, Miniature Market, Cardhaus, and Coolstuff Inc.

BGG has a Hot Deals forum : https://boardgamegeek.com/forum/10/boardgamegeek/hot-deals

The standalone sets work together, so would otherwise be the best price for the content. Play Lost City of the Ancients first.

**endtransmission**

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
endtransmission wrote:
Welcome to the Brimstone train! There is a separate thread in the Boardgames section that would be better for your questions, so this one can be kept for KS news

Sure, and apologies if this was misplaced. That said, its probably valuable info in the hours leading to the new KS to help inform Dakka-users too. I definitely feel like i'll be going hard at this KS, especially as I regret now not getting the "Minecart" for the original. I doubt they'll do that one again as it apparently cost them a fortune, but it would be nice.

No worries, I just thought you might get more information on the originals in that thread

I've only got the two starter boxes and two boxes of additional creatures (slugs and rats) as I'm waiting for my minecart to show up sometime next year (UK shipping is January apparently). I will be backing the new one in the morning as it starts too late for me today. I'll be interested to see if they do a Minecart again, or if they learned their lesson last time around. I would expect something more like the Modiphius all-in pledges that appear nearer the end once they know how fast the campaign is running... but you never know.

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

Well, assuming any kind of deal emerges, i'll be all over this KS "just in case". At this point in my hobbyist life I tend to be decent at spotting things I like, even just in writing. From my bits of reading and your help, it sounds like this game in ANY incarnation, plus Frontier Towns expansion, turns it into 99% of what I loved about the real Warhammer Quest.

Compatibility with the current product also ensures that the game system has a future, which likewise helps me feel confident buying in.

From all my homework it sounds like the only thing the game could've stood to benefit from is a random mission generator/selector of sorts, with a more formal way of stringing them together, so that is something i'll certainly keep an eye out for during this Kickstarter. From the sound of things they really should just license that fan's "Hex Crawl" for the amount of rave reviews it gets. :-p

**Nostromodamus**

By the way, you don't necessarily NEED the Frontier Town expansion for between-game stuff, all that is in the main rules already. The expansion just, erm, "expands" on it...

The missions can be randomly generated via tables in the rulebook.

**Aeneades**

It is now up!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1034852783/shadows-of-brimstone-forbidden-fortress

Seems they have an all-in pledge level - Shogun. Still working out the details but appears thats the case.

Sumo Pledge -

Shogun pledge has the above and -

First hero who can bring along 3 soliders to command.

Current Stretches -

**Nostromodamus**

I am a babbling mess right now, SO excited and everything looks awesome

In at Shogun level before they even got the EBs up

My fave characters so far are the Monk and Sumo. As for monsters I adore the Flesh Mites, and the Skin Crawlers and Phoenix are badass too, not to mention that Spider Queen!

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

The tile are is GORGEOUS.

I have to say, I grabbed early bird Shogun, but based on the visible stretch-goals, i'm not QUITE sure the value is over-the-top. Right now the regular pledge at $95 looks incredible, though.

That said, I ALWAYS play pet-classes in my action-rpgs, so the Daimyo looks like a must-have.

Before the end I guess we'll see what the totals are. Gender swap heroes aren't doing much for me as "added value" but to each their own. :-)

**ced1106**

Looks like they're doing a western gender-swap, where they shove a female model into a male costume. I'm pretty sure there's a Japanese crowdfunded game with a "Male Saloon Boy" miniature right now.

Anyway, there really *were* female noble warriors, called the onna-bugeisha. They actually appeared *before* the existence of male samurai.

Long before the emergence of the renowned samurai class, Japanese fighters were highly trained to wield a sword and spear. Women learned to use naginata, kaiken, and the art of tantojutsu in battle. Such training ensured protection in communities that lacked male fighters. ...

In contrast to the katana used universally by their male samurai counterparts, the most popular weapon-of-choice of onna-bugeishas are the naginata, which is a versatile, conventional polearm with a curved blade at the tip. The weapon is mainly favoured for its length, which can compensate for the strength and body size advantage of male opponents.

The naginata has a niche between the katana and the yari, which is rather effective in close quarter melee when the opponent is kept at bay, and is also relatively efficient against cavalry. Through its use by many legendary samurai women, the naginata has been propelled as the iconic image of a woman warrior. During the Edo Period, many schools focusing on the use of the naginata were created and perpetuated its association with women.

Besides naginata, ranged weaponry such as bows and arrows would also be used by onna-bugeishas, as the traditional masculine advantages like physical strength counted much less in ranged warfare.[6]

http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Onna-bugeisha

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**highlord tamburlaine**

Always the Kitsune. Where's the Tanuki?

1/10 Will not back again.

**BobtheInquisitor**

Thunder warriors? You know what Jack Burton always says at a time like this...

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Always the Kitsune. Where's the Tanuki?

1/10 Will not back again.

Feel better? Pledge restored?

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Napkin math through $500k stretch-goals suggest the Shogun tier is pretty bad.

With all add-ons, and even considering exclusives, it prices the X-pac at $115... which is WELL above MSRP.

Technically through currently shown goals, Shogun isn't even a value proposition on par with retail discounts, let alone a deal.

I'm in, and am sure value will increase, but it isn't terrific at the moment.

**Alpharius**

I was thinking the same thing, actually.

Right now, and for much of the foreseeable future, the SHOGUN level isn't really 'worth' it, unless I'm missing something?

**ced1106**

It's priced in anticipation of the SG's that will be unlocked. I think Dungeon Saga, or another popular KS, did this sort of thing.

In effect, you're pre-paying for the locked SG's. Although, since KS is not a store, you're pre-pledging for them.

**Nostromodamus**

Shogun will be worth it in the end. It evens out at around $400k, then it's gravy.

**Alpharius**

I tried to do the math using the existing Stretch Goals but...I must have missed something?

I think they said the expansion is priced at $80?

Of course it doesn't take into account the 'discounted prices' that might (or might not!) be available via the Usual Suspects...?