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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/16 14:47:44
Subject: Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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Starship Troopers was around for just a little while before the games and got the OVA on the IP
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/16 14:50:17
Subject: Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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I'd rather not see this franchise go all Matt Wilson and think that it needs a crapton of tie-in media to work. Novels? Yes, but let's leave it at that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/16 16:33:49
Subject: Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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Using Object Source Lighting
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Agreed. It's way easier to write a decent, low-budget novel (all you need is decent writing, proofing, editing, and preferably cover art) vs. a decent, low-budget film (roughly in order, writing, editing, casting, prop/set design, set construction, coordination, directing, lighting, acting, (film) editing, special effects, score, etc. etc.).
I also want to throw in that fluff is easily a third of why I play any given game.
Warmachine is a great example of this: they have a very solid rules set, and mostly nice minis, which I like painting, but, within weeks of getting annoyed with the writing style, I started dumping any excess bits of my collection and playing less frequently.
Space Hulk is enhanced by having no space marine grunts; Malifaux is enhanced by the personalities its characters have; etc. etc.
I'm not saying that all games need the best stories, or even need stories, but I'll state that, if Risk had a 1-paragraph story instead of just "the blue pieces," I'd connect to the game more.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/16 16:58:23
Subject: Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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I still play Space Hulk. I haven't touched Risk since I was a child. I really hope Studio McVey continues expanding the background.
I'd definitely buy a novel for SW, even if I wouldn't expect it to be very good. There are a lot of decent authors doing tie-n novels these days. Peter David, Alan Dean Foster or Simon Green could bang out a really fun story in a couple of months. Maybe if they hired a BL author or someone from Angry Robot it could be pretty decent. If they go with some hack like Karen Traviss or Kevin J Anderson, I'll keep my money.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/16 17:10:14
Subject: Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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Simon Green could probably knock it out pretty easy. Some of his creatures from his Deathstalker series are pretty similar
Either way I'm excited to see how far this goes. I've got about $250 max I can dump into this so I'm looking forward seeing what extras I can add
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/16 20:52:52
Subject: Re:Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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I am looking forward to this, and I think at least some online fluff for the major characters would be a boost to interest in the game. The mini's look good, and right now the game play appears to be solid. I am in.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/16 21:00:36
Subject: Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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6k to go and we're another gribbly richer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/16 21:35:55
Subject: Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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FLUFF IS EXCITING!!!!!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/16 23:29:02
Subject: Re:Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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The fact that you're all sitting here talking about fluff says how boring the kickstarter goals are :(
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/16 23:38:18
Subject: Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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I dunno, that's pretty subjective my Ontarian friend... IMO it's been going pretty damn well so far
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/16 23:58:45
Subject: Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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I'll give you that it, other then the good Dr., it lacks the pop-culture-palooza that Zombiecide had going for it, but I don't think boring is quite right. We are kinda in the middle now, where the initial excitement has worn off, and before the crazy "if we hit $1,000,000 we will do a barrel roll" type stretchs. I'm sure Mike and Cmon are dreaming up some cool things for us. They have to know that the KS exclusive minis are what will push it further faster than anything else. I anticipate some ballin minis in about a 9 or 10 days during the final leg of it all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/17 00:01:07
Subject: Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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I anticipate more of the "give us (x) additional funds and we'll give you (y)" type of goals vs. 'more free stuff'.
We might get another one or two 'free things' to entice more people to jump in for the $100 option, but nothing generates the extra revenue like the "for only $10 more" 'deals'!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/17 00:09:14
Subject: Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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Alpharius wrote:I anticipate more of the "give us (x) additional funds and we'll give you (y)" type of goals vs. 'more free stuff'.
We might get another one or two 'free things' to entice more people to jump in for the $100 option, but nothing generates the extra revenue like the "for only $10 more" 'deals'!
I would really like some more characters. Especially for the Strain, the scythe witch is begging for some more poses
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/17 00:10:44
Subject: Re:Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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@MajorTom
Our views must differ. I think that CMoN has just been along for the ride on this one, going to garner a nice slice of the KS $$s for not really doing anything to fuel the KS. Its been very hohum. The lack of fuel being added to the fire seems to point to a lackluster marketing campaign. I'll use a cliche to give my point of view: When given the option of $hit or get off the pot, they seem to have opted for getting off the pot.
On the point of what will be offered next, I also think the smart thing is to offer new miniatures for $$, as they will still get more new pledgers for the $100 level, but their odds are better to offer new spending opportunities. I just hope that Studio McVey is researching a lot of the other Most Successful KS's, and can use what worked for them here.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/17 00:17:02
Subject: Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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Y'know i was looking at the amount of backers just now. Mikes got an awful lot of prints to sign.....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/17 00:30:05
Subject: Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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Alpharius wrote:I anticipate more of the "give us (x) additional funds and we'll give you (y)" type of goals vs. 'more free stuff'.
We might get another one or two 'free things' to entice more people to jump in for the $100 option, but nothing generates the extra revenue like the "for only $10 more" 'deals'!
I guess either works for me. One way they might add enough stuff I want to the Biohazard deal to make it worthwhile, the other they might add stuff that I can buy anyway.
I do like the suggestion someone made of adding Shepard from Mass Effect as one of those "for only $X more" characters. On the other hand, I don't see much point in adding Infected versions of characters, if the Ridley one is anything to go by. Zombicide's zombified characters worked well, but the infected equivalent is pretty much unrecognisable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/17 00:40:37
Subject: Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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MajorTom11 wrote:I dunno, that's pretty subjective my Ontarian friend... IMO it's been going pretty damn well so far 
Oh it's going great man  and I knew SW would do well from the first time I saw stuff from the range but I just have found the kickstarter to be kind of drying out a little. It's by all means incredibly successful without doing anything else. I just think more bonuses would be a great way to get more cash, as it stands this is already going to be taking a big chunk of cash of mine and it has the potential to take more if it starts to really become a boatload of extras.
It's already 30+ extra minis for $100 pledge. Imagine when another 10-20 miniatures are added to that how many people will probably up to the $190 pledge!!!
It would not be hard to give some of the LE resin miniatures in 28mm format I would think.... the ones no longer available but in SW in 28mm would probably drive backing up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/17 00:41:25
Subject: Re:Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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Salacious Greed wrote:@MajorTom
Our views must differ. I think that CMoN has just been along for the ride on this one, going to garner a nice slice of the KS $$s for not really doing anything to fuel the KS. Its been very hohum. The lack of fuel being added to the fire seems to point to a lackluster marketing campaign. I'll use a cliche to give my point of view: When given the option of $hit or get off the pot, they seem to have opted for getting off the pot.
On the point of what will be offered next, I also think the smart thing is to offer new miniatures for $$, as they will still get more new pledgers for the $100 level, but their odds are better to offer new spending opportunities. I just hope that Studio McVey is researching a lot of the other Most Successful KS's, and can use what worked for them here.
Since CMON was involved with the second highest funded board/card game ever on Kickstarter, I think they'll end up doing OK.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/17 00:49:37
Subject: Re:Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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General Seric wrote:Just though I would tell everyone that SW has made it on to "The Hotness" list for Board Game Geek. Hopefully this will give it more attention and interest, and help achieve some more stretch goals.
Heh. I've had a BGG window for SW open for the last 4 days or whenever it was posted above.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/17 01:22:17
Subject: Re:Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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Salacious Greed wrote:@Scipio.au
I agree with you about this being a board game. However, I believe that the entire intent with this enterprise is to end at a tabletop wargame. So, they should be striving towards that end. I don't believe they were ready for the runaway success that this Kickstarter is. It is kind of evident with the stretch goals. I believe that we're already past the point of diminishing returns on their box set. They've pretty much already doubled every miniature in the game, so just counters and tiles remain to be doubled, and they've already upgraded the counters.
I agree with everything you've said there. Several of us have wondered aloud what they can do from this point on, and the best we can come up with has been selling extra tilesets and making a bunch more characters inspired by sci-fi and zombie films - like "Ridley".
I won't be attached to any of these characters. I was talking about being attached to characters as they grow in a persistent skirmish environment, meaning characters I've made, that I attach value to over the course of the skirmish games I play. And come on, you know there's going to be one zombie that just doesn't die in your games that you'll become attached to, or being on the other side, you'll start sacrificing guys just to kill him during your skirmish games. But this being JUST a boardgame, where I can queue up the same figures in the next scenario regardless, just doesn't do it for me. 40k allows me to use real tactics. This game seems to devolve into chokepoints on a fixed board. I'm not seeing any depth of play right now, and this Kickstarter seems to be more about an initial figure grab for a later tabletop game.
Sure, you're after tabletop rules and Necromunda-style or Necrominda-lite campaign rules. I personally love that sort of thing, but there comes a point of giving too much of that stuff away for free. If they give us campaign rules for the sake of a kickstarter then that's one thing less they can sell an expansion box with - and we don't know if the actual rulebook already has something like that in it. An option would be some Necro-Lite rules and then expand on them for a later supplement. And obviously if the game is a success once it hits the real world retail channels then they want it to become a tabletop game, though I'm personally not getting too fussed about getting miniatures ruleset #764798. There's almost 2k of us on Kickstarter now, which is actually a lot of units for something like this - but I have no idea how many boxes of a boardgame you'd sell of something without the D&D or Warhammer logos on them.
But back to the main point. With the success of this Kickstarter, they should have someone write a novel in parallel, so that it can hit the market shortly after this game ships. Because right now, all we really know about their setting is that it is a rebellion on the fringes of Human space, and the Strain has just started as an infection in the middle of the Vanguard putting down the Firebrand rebellion. We don't know anything about the actual Core Corporate Army, or any of the alien species encountered in the Human expansion. So they could give us a novel detailing the rebellion, and how this viral infection grows into a plague, but seems to have a focus and goals. It could also set the overall atmosphere of the setting, and how star systems and planets are governed, and whether there are competing corporations, or just the one. Etc ad nauseum. But they should actually be spoon feeding us some of this stuff DAILY! Hell, how do you have something this successful, and we don't hear from you or your distributor every day?
I'll answer your second point first - they presumably have jobs(!) MCVey is just Mike and Aly, and I assume they're busy as all hell running their own small business and doing commission work to keep food on the table and fulfull their other committments. Mike is in that Photo on the Mantic blog meeting with Ronnie to draw up concepts for the new Mantic figures for their Kickstarter which also exploded in popularity. So they'd need someone to write the fluff, proof it, edit it as writing, edit it as fitting in with their "canon" and sign off on it, then post it. The stuff we saw posted the other week just looked like some "it was a dark and stormy night"-type stuff written in an hour or two including editing time. (Even though it was probably lifted from the rulebook).
I'll tell you my main problem with a novel though - cost. I mean, who is going to actually buy a sci-fi novel based on a new game that no-one knows about? Besides you, I mean? It just seems like quite a risky venture to produce, that can have mediocre returns at best. There's no 10-25 years of Space Marines or Horus Heresy or Ravenloft or Azeroth to fall back on and get people interested here - nor are there x-million units of Mass Effect or even Assassins Creed games shipped (over a half-dozen years).
As to you saying that the focus should be on the game. How? They can't give us anything more on the game until it's in our hands.
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A company that is only focused on the Now is a company that is failing or already has. Good novels take 9-12 months to see the light of day. A game of this level takes at least 12 months, if not 18 or more. If these guys don't already have more things in the pipeline, already on paper, waiting to go, then I think they'll fall into the same pitfalls that Super Dungeon Explore did, and we won't hear anything from them and the success of this Kickstarter will fizzle out.
Heh, SDE went quiet because they completely sold out. My 2nd-run copy was pre-ordered for 4 months and I only got it this week. There's no point in "maintaining hype" for a game that you can't actually buy at the time - it just pisses people off and/or they get sick of the no steak/all sizzle. When they announce the expansion it will sell like no-one's business. You know that as well as I do.
But perhaps I didn't communicate my point effectively in the last post - I'm sure they (McVey) are working on stuff - they would be silly not to. But they'd be just as silly to pull the trigger fully on SW: The Expansion without seeing what kinds of reviews and reaction the first box gets in the marketplace. I'm sure they've got concepts and draft rules and so forth for the expansion(s) lined up, but if they preview those for us now, they're kinda shooting themselves in the foot. They need to keep our focus on this product, this game. Not the next one.
And we'll have to agree to disagree on a novel. I can't see it being anything but a waste of time and resources for what will at best be more derivitive c-grade sci-fi - and end up in bargain bins or RTP everywhere.
Automatically Appended Next Post: BobtheInquisitor wrote:I still play Space Hulk. I haven't touched Risk since I was a child. I really hope Studio McVey continues expanding the background.
I'd definitely buy a novel for SW, even if I wouldn't expect it to be very good. There are a lot of decent authors doing tie-n novels these days. Peter David, Alan Dean Foster or Simon Green could bang out a really fun story in a couple of months. Maybe if they hired a BL author or someone from Angry Robot it could be pretty decent. If they go with some hack like Karen Traviss or Kevin J Anderson, I'll keep my money.
A name author would also give them a fast way to get rid of a big chunk of the huge pot of money they'll be getting. Along with production costs for all the stuff they'll be obligated to ship, maybe they could even break even!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/17 02:06:17
Subject: Re:Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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scipio.au wrote:
Sure, you're after tabletop rules and Necromunda-style or Necrominda-lite campaign rules. I personally love that sort of thing, but there comes a point of giving too much of that stuff away for free. If they give us campaign rules for the sake of a kickstarter then that's one thing less they can sell an expansion box with - and we don't know if the actual rulebook already has something like that in it. An option would be some Necro-Lite rules and then expand on them for a later supplement. And obviously if the game is a success once it hits the real world retail channels then they want it to become a tabletop game, though I'm personally not getting too fussed about getting miniatures ruleset #764798. There's almost 2k of us on Kickstarter now, which is actually a lot of units for something like this - but I have no idea how many boxes of a boardgame you'd sell of something without the D&D or Warhammer logos on them.
I agree with you also. They should totally offer a necromunda-style set of skirmish rules for a monetary value. That would greatly enhance their KS.
I'll answer your second point first - they presumably have jobs(!) MCVey is just Mike and Aly, and I assume they're busy as all hell running their own small business and doing commission work to keep food on the table and fulfull their other committments. Mike is in that Photo on the Mantic blog meeting with Ronnie to draw up concepts for the new Mantic figures for their Kickstarter which also exploded in popularity. So they'd need someone to write the fluff, proof it, edit it as writing, edit it as fitting in with their "canon" and sign off on it, then post it. The stuff we saw posted the other week just looked like some "it was a dark and stormy night"-type stuff written in an hour or two including editing time. (Even though it was probably lifted from the rulebook).
I'll tell you my main problem with a novel though - cost. I mean, who is going to actually buy a sci-fi novel based on a new game that no-one knows about? Besides you, I mean? It just seems like quite a risky venture to produce, that can have mediocre returns at best. There's no 10-25 years of Space Marines or Horus Heresy or Ravenloft or Azeroth to fall back on and get people interested here - nor are there x-million units of Mass Effect or even Assassins Creed games shipped (over a half-dozen years).
Again, I agree, but there are all kinds of writers who can be brought in for this type of freelance work, both on novels and stuff to enhance this KS and periodically until the game ships. The turn around on writing can be very short, especially when it is needed quickly.
Heh, SDE went quiet because they completely sold out. My 2nd-run copy was pre-ordered for 4 months and I only got it this week. There's no point in "maintaining hype" for a game that you can't actually buy at the time - it just pisses people off and/or they get sick of the no steak/all sizzle. When they announce the expansion it will sell like no-one's business. You know that as well as I do.
But perhaps I didn't communicate my point effectively in the last post - I'm sure they (McVey) are working on stuff - they would be silly not to. But they'd be just as silly to pull the trigger fully on SW: The Expansion without seeing what kinds of reviews and reaction the first box gets in the marketplace. I'm sure they've got concepts and draft rules and so forth for the expansion(s) lined up, but if they preview those for us now, they're kinda shooting themselves in the foot. They need to keep our focus on this product, this game. Not the next one.
I think that SDE will sell fewer expansions than they did the main game. Too much time in between.
As far as SW, they can market the expansion on this KS because what most people will buy it for is the figures, they can figure out rules and changes as it won't ship til 2013 sometime anyhow, and they'll have more than enough time to receive feedback and waffle on what to change or include. The biggest seller of an expansion is going to be which faction they'll introduce, most likely the Firebrand, but who knows. Law of Marketing says to keep the fire stoked, not let it go out and try to live off the coals. I understand that they're a small company. That's why my slant on all of this has been that the bulk of this falls on the shoulders of the Distributor. The Distributor, in a normal Developer - Distributor relationship, takes a finished product and: Markets it, gets it in stores, when it is a hit, they beg the Developer to let them bring in other venues of media to get it out to further potential buyers. In a multi-response to Alpharius also, I wouldn't contend that CMoN made both of these KS's the over the top successes that they've been. The actual game has done that. Hell, Rich Burlew of Order of the Stick raised 1.2 Million dollars. Making up his own stretch goals. So, I find, purely from a Distributor/Marketing point of view, that CMoN is rather lackluster. I caveat by saying that I am viewing from the outside looking in. Saying that it made %$ is it being super successful, I agree. But with proper KS feeds and marketing, this could have been even better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/17 02:08:04
Subject: Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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AlexHolker wrote:Alpharius wrote:I anticipate more of the "give us (x) additional funds and we'll give you (y)" type of goals vs. 'more free stuff'.
We might get another one or two 'free things' to entice more people to jump in for the $100 option, but nothing generates the extra revenue like the "for only $10 more" 'deals'!
I guess either works for me. One way they might add enough stuff I want to the Biohazard deal to make it worthwhile, the other they might add stuff that I can buy anyway.
I reckon the biohazard deal is already pretty worthwhile, even if you never intend to play the game and just want some miniatures. For US$100 + $25 shipping (AU$123 today) you get
50 highly detailed 28mm miniatures
50 Scenic miniature bases
5 double sided full colour expandable game boards
A resin limited edition Kara,
12 additional Vanguard troopers
12 additional Strain Phase 1 and Phase 2
2 additional Phase 3 Brimstone
2 additional Phase 3 Scythe Witch
1 additional AI Drone (2 in a day or less)
Six custom dice
- I assume these figures also come with scenic bases. Scenic bases aren't cheap by themselves.
So.. 90 plastic miniatures, 90 scenic bases, 1 resin figure (with another scenic base?)
Basically 45 high-tech Imperial Guard and the same number of Tyranid bio-0creatures if you play 40k. All with scenic bases, for a little over a dollar a pop (including the big ones & characters)
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I think that SDE will sell fewer expansions than they did the main game. Too much time in between.
Expansions always sell fewer copies than the base game. It's the nature of games. I think they'll sell a healthy amount, though, as SDE still seems to have a lot of buzz around it.
As far as SW, they can market the expansion on this KS because what most people will buy it for is the figures, they can figure out rules and changes as it won't ship til 2013 sometime anyhow, and they'll have more than enough time to receive feedback and waffle on what to change or include. The biggest seller of an expansion is going to be which faction they'll introduce, most likely the Firebrand, but who knows. Law of Marketing says to keep the fire stoked, not let it go out and try to live off the coals.
I disagree. This is not the time to start talking about the expansion in any detail. The base game isn't even out yet. All you do is set up expectation and people will be bored with what you've already shown them a year ago in terms of concept. This stuff needs to be teased out slowly, at minimum a month after the game has hit shelves and started to generate retail buzz. It might get them a it more interest for the Kickstarter, but it would be less useful long-term since we're talking about boxed games with static models. With videogames they still wait but they can also pump out a lot more hype then tabletop games in terms of screenshots and cinemas to generate and maintain buzz. You notice, though, we're not seeing a lot of hype for (say) Assassins Creed 4 right now - because the martketting focus is on the present product.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/17 03:36:54
Subject: Re:Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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Your video game analogy is a bit off. What they'll be talking about at the release of Assassin's Creed 3 is the DLC that's already in the pipeline. Assassin's Creed 4 probably isn't even being worked on yet. But they already know the first couple DLCs for the current release. In fact, some games ship with DLC as an upgraded edition. The game is supposed to carry itself upon release, because the marketing led up to the release. The product either lives up to the hype or it doesn't.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/17 04:15:09
Subject: Re:Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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Salacious Greed wrote:Your video game analogy is a bit off. What they'll be talking about at the release of Assassin's Creed 3 is the DLC that's already in the pipeline. Assassin's Creed 4 probably isn't even being worked on yet. But they already know the first couple DLCs for the current release. In fact, some games ship with DLC as an upgraded edition. The game is supposed to carry itself upon release, because the marketing led up to the release. The product either lives up to the hype or it doesn't.
I won't be rude, but this shows a degree of ignorance on how the VG industry works. The next AC game would be well into development right now, and AC4 will be deep into planning and concepts as well. (The next game will be an AC3: Revelations/Brotherhood type thing. AC4 will be about 2 years out) At the date of release of AC3 they'll mention the DLC. The release isn't for several months, and so they're not talking about any DLC now. DLC in special release editions is an attempt to milk the game for extra money on release, since videogames have the majority of their sales in the first month. It's also an attempt to combat secondhand sales from retailers (Gamestop etc) - neither of which is quite the same as this hobby. Day-1 DLC is also often content that would/should be in the base game that gets chopped out at the last minute, and is often even actually on the retail disc.
Of course, within a year, there's also a GOTY which will often have all the DLC for that game packed into it at a reduced price, as it's a last ditch chance to squeeze sales out as we move into the timeframe for the next sequel - which is where the marketing will be concentrating.
DLC is also not exactly comparable to an expansion pack for a game (in the old days, video games had real expacks - now they have the equivalent of a character pack for, say, Dust Tactics) It's very rare that you see a proper expansion pack in videogames with a comparative amount of content to a miniature or boardgame expansion/supplement. Think Lost and Damned, or Gay Tony, or Undead Nightmare.
Either way, Rockstar isn't talking about the Max Payne 3 expansion now, or even mentioning that it (will) exist. All their energy and focus is on the game that's out now. The one they need to sell now. Not what might be out in 6 or 8 or 12 months time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/17 05:33:59
Subject: Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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scipio.au wrote:AlexHolker wrote:Alpharius wrote:I anticipate more of the "give us (x) additional funds and we'll give you (y)" type of goals vs. 'more free stuff'.
We might get another one or two 'free things' to entice more people to jump in for the $100 option, but nothing generates the extra revenue like the "for only $10 more" 'deals'!
I guess either works for me. One way they might add enough stuff I want to the Biohazard deal to make it worthwhile, the other they might add stuff that I can buy anyway.
I reckon the biohazard deal is already pretty worthwhile, even if you never intend to play the game and just want some miniatures.
Absolutely - if you're a fan of both futuristic infantry and biomechanical mutants. Since I like the former more than the latter, the 45 Strain models do not yet carry enough weight to tip the balance from just buying the Opticamo pack to buying the full game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/17 05:46:02
Subject: Re:Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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I guess the other two things that might potentially add value for you are the game itself (might be fun!) or being able to "split" a Biohazard set with someone else located in Australia, or whichever city you're in?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/17 06:55:25
Subject: Re:Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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scipio.au wrote:I guess the other two things that might potentially add value for you are the game itself (might be fun!) or being able to "split" a Biohazard set with someone else located in Australia, or whichever city you're in?
Again, I agree: there is value in having a standalone board game with which I can use the models without first inflicting a 50+ page rulebook on my opponent.
Only $910 to go before we're finally past the Grendlr. It hasn't been as slow as the dice were, but still, it will be good to see what's up next.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/17 10:07:53
Subject: Re:Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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Honored Helliarch on Hypex
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300k broken!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/17 10:07:54
Subject: Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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Calculating Commissar
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*ding!* $300K has been met. Roll on next update..
Darnit. Beaten to it by seconds
There's a good blog post from Mile about the design process on Kickstarter : http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/sedition-wars-battle-for-alabaster/posts/248254
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/17 10:41:33
Subject: Sedition Wars Kickstarter, full of McVey goodness! Sci Fi Survival Boardgame. 300k Stretch Up
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[SWAP SHOP MOD]
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OH-I Wanna get out of here
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Any bets on what the next thing is? I'm going with extra Cthonian, though I hope I'm wrong at this point.
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