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I haven't seen much discussion on these rules. What are people's feelings?

Seems like there are a lot of ways to increase AP, multiple ways for 3D6 drop 1 charges, no fallback strat, 4+++ vs overwatch trait, Ignore AP1 & 2 on an INFANTRY unit, no heavy and assault move penalties trait to name some.

Is anything changing the game for you?


   
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I think putting two adaptative phisiology in big beast is one of the best things you can do with this rules. Also stacking ap.

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Pages dedicated to Blood Angels in PA3 = 40.

Pages dedicated to Tyranids in PA3 = 9.

I wonder why there's little discussion on this topic.
   
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How many of those pages were the ones used for importing existing datasheets to the Blood Angels army?

 
   
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The Psychic Awakening rules are an interesting mixed bag.

For starters, the build-your-own-hive-fleet traits are mostly worthless. Get a 6+ FNP, but only for Monsters, only if they stay still, only if they're not in melee, and only if it's turn 2 onwards? Enemies in melee with a monster suffer -1Ld? Monsters on their last bracket get +2A (at awful WS, naturally)? Who wrote these and thought they would be enticing army traits?

The -1AP and 4++ against Overwatch abilities are marginally more useful, but none of them come close to displacing Kraken (3D6-pick-highest Advance, fall back and charge in the same turn, and a stratagem to double Advance rolls) as the go-to for melee armies. A 4++ against Overwatch sounds great on paper, but if you take less damage on Overwatch at the cost of getting into melee a turn later, that's a bad trade. The new psychic ability for Kraken (pick an enemy unit, everything gets to re-roll charge distance against it) makes it even better for melee-oriented armies. I've seen some speculation about stacking traits and stratagems to get Hormagaunts with AP-3, but I'm skeptical that it will really be that great for 5pt T3/6+ models.

The new relics are okay, I guess. None of them particularly stand out, except maybe turning a Stranglethorn Cannon into Assault 6.

However, the Adaptive Physiology rules, and new Stratagems, are a big deal.

Adaptive Physiology in particular is huge for monsters (ESPECIALLY the oft-forgotten Hierodule, which with a 5++ and less harsh degradation will be more akin to a Knight as it should be), and provides some interesting traits that might be useful for bigger units of Troops. Some of the traits would also be great replacements for our Warlord Traits, which are mostly mediocre- if I have Old One Eye on the field, a boost of +1S, +1AP, and +1D is much more useful than any of the actual WTs.

And the Stratagems seem mostly geared towards providing new niches for previously-unused units. Toxicrenes preventing units from falling back, Warriors being able to reduce incoming Damage, and Maleceptors buffing nearby troops all provide new utility for these units. Coupled with the mild points reductions in CA, they might be really useful now.

The downside is that they all cost CP, so we're now even more CP-hungry than before. I expect to see a lot more Neurothropes and Ripper Swarms filling out cheap Battalions. The nice thing is that both of those units are actually useful (psychic support and objective-capping/backline harassment respectively), so it's not a huge detriment.

I'm still annoyed that we don't get any flat bonuses for an all-Tyranid army, which is what I was hoping Adaptive Physiology would be- none of them are as impactful as Doctrines or Acts of Faith, so I don't see why we have to sacrifice WTs or CP for them. But there is still a net improvement here, so I'm at least happy for that.
   
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 Drachii wrote:
How many of those pages were the ones used for importing existing datasheets to the Blood Angels army?

Less than 31.
   
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What are people's thoughts on the Hive Fleet specific psychic powers?

I was looking at Hydra's Death Shriek. For those that don't know, WC 5, 6" range to target a Hydra unit. Any Hydra model dying inflicts a Mortal Wound on a 6+ to enemy unit within 6". I suppose that's a way to turn those Termagants and Hormagaunts into suicide bombs, in keeping with Hydra's swarm them with numbers theme.

I don't know in general so many of the new Tyranid things are so finicky as if GW were deathly afraid to give a bonus to a xenos faction that was generally useful. So many things seem to require the sun and stars to perfectly align in order for a minor bonus.

   
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My opinion is that it’s yet another space marine supplement and a pathetic nod to Tyranids to say “thanks for spending so much on Tyranids, we remember you but don’t actually like you”.

Content wise, it’s just crap.
   
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Kronos psychic power is excellent, and probably a must have for a babysitting Neurothrope.

It's a roughly 50% firepower increase for a Kronos Exocrine and a 25% firepower increase for a Kronos Hive Guard.

Jormungandr spell has some interesting potential with devgant bombs, shock guard or large groups of warriors/raveners. .

Kraken is solid for deep strikers (rerollable charges from DS with +1 from AG are always good)

Leviathan psychic power is utterly unusable trash as if they forgot their own rules.

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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Pages dedicated to Blood Angels in PA3 = 40.


Ok, how many of those pages AREN'T lore & pretty pics?
   
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I can see why there's less excitement, GW keeps showing off this fantastic lord hero for the BA; whilst at the same time Tyranids got two reboxings of existing models with nothing new in them.

Which is kind of cruel because, honestly, Tyranids have been hoping for two new plastic kits for a long while now (a duel "vores" box and a duel "lictor/leaper" box)

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ccs wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Pages dedicated to Blood Angels in PA3 = 40.


Ok, how many of those pages AREN'T lore & pretty pics?

That's grasping at straws. Tyranids should have an equal amount of lore and pretty pics to BA. Instead they have a tiny amount of pages some of which is wasted on a name generator for a faction that hasn't got names for things.

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ccs wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Pages dedicated to Blood Angels in PA3 = 40.


Ok, how many of those pages AREN'T lore & pretty pics?


There are no lore pages included in this number.
   
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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
ccs wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Pages dedicated to Blood Angels in PA3 = 40.


Ok, how many of those pages AREN'T lore & pretty pics?


There are no lore pages included in this number.


bs. if there whwre 40 pages of pure blood angel rules that would mean the blood angels would have 50-60 actual pages in a book of 80-90 pages. which would mean the actual story events of the book would proably total less then 10 pages.

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BrianDavion wrote:
bs. if there whwre 40 pages of pure blood angel rules that would mean the blood angels would have 50-60 actual pages in a book of 80-90 pages. which would mean the actual story events of the book would proably total less then 10 pages.


I don't know why you'd call BS on something so easily verifiable.



17 pages of lore, 5 pages of missions, 38 pages of Blood Angels rules, 12 pages of Tyranid rules.

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the updated chaplain datasheets, and blood angels phobos stuff is pretty much "whtie dwarf yannari rules in PA1" level to be fair. but yeah I'd forgotten that chaplains would need their sheets updated

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BrianDavion wrote:
the updated chaplain datasheets, and blood angels phobos stuff is pretty much "whtie dwarf yannari rules in PA1" level to be fair. but yeah I'd forgotten that chaplains would need their sheets updated

So we take out things that were just directly ported into the book like Phobos units and data sheet updates (not counting new psychic powers of litanies), how many Blood Angels pages are there? Strictly new Blood Angels/Flesh Tearers content.

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 Apple Peel wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
the updated chaplain datasheets, and blood angels phobos stuff is pretty much "whtie dwarf yannari rules in PA1" level to be fair. but yeah I'd forgotten that chaplains would need their sheets updated

So we take out things that were just directly ported into the book like Phobos units and data sheet updates (not counting new psychic powers of litanies), how many Blood Angels pages are there? Strictly new Blood Angels/Flesh Tearers content.



looks like 8 pages of new content, ten if "the colours of death" turns out to be rules and not just a paint scheme show case. Blood angels definatly are the better off of the two armies highlighted here but once you factor in the stuff we already have thats just being reprinted so that BA players don't have to run out and buy codex space marines, it's a lot closer to partiy.

this of course assumes none of the old chaplains who are getting updated are getting anything beyond having acts of faith slapped onto the unit.

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I'm somewhat curious to see what a Tyranid Name Generator actually covers.

I've not got my copy of the current BA book to hand - what's the title for Mephiston's current datasheet?

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BrianDavion wrote:
 Apple Peel wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
the updated chaplain datasheets, and blood angels phobos stuff is pretty much "whtie dwarf yannari rules in PA1" level to be fair. but yeah I'd forgotten that chaplains would need their sheets updated

So we take out things that were just directly ported into the book like Phobos units and data sheet updates (not counting new psychic powers of litanies), how many Blood Angels pages are there? Strictly new Blood Angels/Flesh Tearers content.



looks like 8 pages of new content, ten if "the colours of death" turns out to be rules and not just a paint scheme show case. Blood angels definatly are the better off of the two armies highlighted here but once you factor in the stuff we already have thats just being reprinted so that BA players don't have to run out and buy codex space marines, it's a lot closer to partiy.

this of course assumes none of the old chaplains who are getting updated are getting anything beyond having acts of faith slapped onto the unit.


Weird. So to me, it sounds like a whole bunch of whiny a babies only read a little bit without comprehending the actual situation, and they are now throwing dumb fits about a misconceived issue which could have been entirely a avoided if they weren’t so quick to ring the “cry like a baby” bell?
It sounds like both factions shown in the book got a pretty close amount of stuff (quantity, not quality), and should retire this line of rage?

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Close amount of stuff lmfao.
Where's the new Tyranid model lines at?
   
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 Apple Peel wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 Apple Peel wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
the updated chaplain datasheets, and blood angels phobos stuff is pretty much "whtie dwarf yannari rules in PA1" level to be fair. but yeah I'd forgotten that chaplains would need their sheets updated

So we take out things that were just directly ported into the book like Phobos units and data sheet updates (not counting new psychic powers of litanies), how many Blood Angels pages are there? Strictly new Blood Angels/Flesh Tearers content.



looks like 8 pages of new content, ten if "the colours of death" turns out to be rules and not just a paint scheme show case. Blood angels definatly are the better off of the two armies highlighted here but once you factor in the stuff we already have thats just being reprinted so that BA players don't have to run out and buy codex space marines, it's a lot closer to partiy.

this of course assumes none of the old chaplains who are getting updated are getting anything beyond having acts of faith slapped onto the unit.


Weird. So to me, it sounds like a whole bunch of whiny a babies only read a little bit without comprehending the actual situation, and they are now throwing dumb fits about a misconceived issue which could have been entirely a avoided if they weren’t so quick to ring the “cry like a baby” bell?
It sounds like both factions shown in the book got a pretty close amount of stuff (quantity, not quality), and should retire this line of rage?

I'm not involved in this discussion, but I'd like to remind everyone to please remain polite, and not insult one another. Keep the toxicity to a minimum if you can.
   
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 Eonfuzz wrote:
Close amount of stuff lmfao.
Where's the new Tyranid model lines at?

What all needs brought out of resin/metal besides lictors?

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 Apple Peel wrote:
 Eonfuzz wrote:
Close amount of stuff lmfao.
Where's the new Tyranid model lines at?

What all needs brought out of resin/metal besides lictors?


Therefore they are not entiteled to some new models?

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 Apple Peel wrote:
 Eonfuzz wrote:
Close amount of stuff lmfao.
Where's the new Tyranid model lines at?

What all needs brought out of resin/metal besides lictors?


Imagine thinking xenos should only be brought out of resin, and no extra work required.
I'm talking about *new* model lines, you know, like the support marines have been getting for almost a year on end now.
   
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Darsath wrote:
 Apple Peel wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 Apple Peel wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
the updated chaplain datasheets, and blood angels phobos stuff is pretty much "whtie dwarf yannari rules in PA1" level to be fair. but yeah I'd forgotten that chaplains would need their sheets updated

So we take out things that were just directly ported into the book like Phobos units and data sheet updates (not counting new psychic powers of litanies), how many Blood Angels pages are there? Strictly new Blood Angels/Flesh Tearers content.



looks like 8 pages of new content, ten if "the colours of death" turns out to be rules and not just a paint scheme show case. Blood angels definatly are the better off of the two armies highlighted here but once you factor in the stuff we already have thats just being reprinted so that BA players don't have to run out and buy codex space marines, it's a lot closer to partiy.

this of course assumes none of the old chaplains who are getting updated are getting anything beyond having acts of faith slapped onto the unit.


Weird. So to me, it sounds like a whole bunch of whiny a babies only read a little bit without comprehending the actual situation, and they are now throwing dumb fits about a misconceived issue which could have been entirely a avoided if they weren’t so quick to ring the “cry like a baby” bell?
It sounds like both factions shown in the book got a pretty close amount of stuff (quantity, not quality), and should retire this line of rage?

I'm not involved in this discussion, but I'd like to remind everyone to please remain polite, and not insult one another. Keep the toxicity to a minimum if you can.

I think it’s fair to say too many people are overreacting about this and they’ll continue to do so because they like to.
Both factions actually got close to the same amount of new stuff. One got more lore probably, but we should also think about how of the two forces here, one is never actually given any first person representation ever, and is only described from the viewpoints of others. There’s just too much whining because people like to do it.

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 Eonfuzz wrote:
 Apple Peel wrote:
 Eonfuzz wrote:
Close amount of stuff lmfao.
Where's the new Tyranid model lines at?

What all needs brought out of resin/metal besides lictors?


Imagine thinking xenos should only be brought out of resin, and no extra work required.
I'm talking about *new* model lines, you know, like the support marines have been getting for almost a year on end now.


Tbf the nid line is probably one of the best,otoh the unending stream of primaris marines get's annoying.

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 Apple Peel wrote:
Darsath wrote:
 Apple Peel wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 Apple Peel wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
the updated chaplain datasheets, and blood angels phobos stuff is pretty much "whtie dwarf yannari rules in PA1" level to be fair. but yeah I'd forgotten that chaplains would need their sheets updated

So we take out things that were just directly ported into the book like Phobos units and data sheet updates (not counting new psychic powers of litanies), how many Blood Angels pages are there? Strictly new Blood Angels/Flesh Tearers content.



looks like 8 pages of new content, ten if "the colours of death" turns out to be rules and not just a paint scheme show case. Blood angels definatly are the better off of the two armies highlighted here but once you factor in the stuff we already have thats just being reprinted so that BA players don't have to run out and buy codex space marines, it's a lot closer to partiy.

this of course assumes none of the old chaplains who are getting updated are getting anything beyond having acts of faith slapped onto the unit.


Weird. So to me, it sounds like a whole bunch of whiny a babies only read a little bit without comprehending the actual situation, and they are now throwing dumb fits about a misconceived issue which could have been entirely a avoided if they weren’t so quick to ring the “cry like a baby” bell?
It sounds like both factions shown in the book got a pretty close amount of stuff (quantity, not quality), and should retire this line of rage?

I'm not involved in this discussion, but I'd like to remind everyone to please remain polite, and not insult one another. Keep the toxicity to a minimum if you can.

I think it’s fair to say too many people are overreacting about this and they’ll continue to do so because they like to.
Both factions actually got close to the same amount of new stuff. One got more lore probably, but we should also think about how of the two forces here, one is never actually given any first person representation ever, and is only described from the viewpoints of others. There’s just too much whining because people like to do it.

Throwing insults at people doesn't help convince people to think you're right, though. I'm not here to take sides (I don't play either faction).
   
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Not Online!!! wrote:
 Apple Peel wrote:
 Eonfuzz wrote:
Close amount of stuff lmfao.
Where's the new Tyranid model lines at?

What all needs brought out of resin/metal besides lictors?


Therefore they are not entiteled to some new models?


Eonfuzz wrote:
 Apple Peel wrote:
 Eonfuzz wrote:
Close amount of stuff lmfao.
Where's the new Tyranid model lines at?

What all needs brought out of resin/metal besides lictors?


Imagine thinking xenos should only be brought out of resin, and no extra work required.
I'm talking about *new* model lines, you know, like the support marines have been getting for almost a year on end now.

Tell me what needs done. I don’t think I came across as sarcastic in that post. How old are the 5 oldest Tyranid kits with units in the 8th edition Tyranid codex, and tell me about their quality. Do they need updates? Would updated kits invalidate the current units of extra weapon options were added to the kit?

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 Eonfuzz wrote:
Close amount of stuff lmfao.
Where's the new Tyranid model lines at?


What more could you want? Space Marines have been suffering for decades. We still don’t have primaris bikers, primaris land speeders, primaris Psykers on stardrakes or any primaris squads with minor psychic powers (which I am going to trademark the name sequitors).

Once all that stuff is out, plus whatever else they want to add such as a drop pod for primaris or a stormraven capable of dropping a repulsor, then you can see one finecast model that nobody plays turned into plastic.

Ps. That model will only be part of a stand-alone boxed game containing Tyranids against Dark Angels who by then would be long overdue a new character and primaris ravenwing. If will not be available for direct sale until 3 years later.
   
 
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