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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Maniples are a bit disappointing, you'd think there would be enough for the new titan so it could combo with all the other classes.

Given the rigid nature of Collegia Titanica, I'm fine with dedicated artillery working in dedicated artillery groups. Especially so as the Shadow and Iron supplement is bringing a LOT of new stuff on the table, it is easier to keep the power levels of weird interactions near normal than just allowing willy-nilly substitutions now that we hit twenty Legio rules and a dozen or so maniples.

Crusade Legios are also a thing and allow you to substitute Warbringers in there, as does Fortidus. No biggie, all in all.

It's kind of a biggie if you're running a custom Legio and want to keep doing so.

My own specifically focuses on heavier chassis, and I wrote the fluff that way specifically so I could have Warlords and Warbringers fighting together, but so far that's going to be suboptimal. I'll still do it, because I don't min-max, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer to have a cool heavy maniple to use.

It can also, potentially, be a way to maintain balance by restricting certain combinations?

They're saving stuff to fill out future books.

The shock lance is a nasty auxiliary weapon, while the claw is ..... a good tool to bully smaller scale titans.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Adeptus-Titanicus-Warlord-Sinister-Psi-Titan-2020?_requestid=33726274

£85 / $132

Why is there no ebook release of the core rule book. This is yet another bizarre decision in a long series of weird decisions for adeptus titanicus.

At least I have to give them kudos for finally including the necessary terminals and weapon cards in the box now. But the warbringer cardboard terminal, the one that matches all the terminals you already have, is a $25 purchase per terminal (comes with 4 terminals you probably won’t need for free)

RobertDD wrote:
Why is there no ebook release of the core rule book. This is yet another bizarre decision in a long series of weird decisions for adeptus titanicus.

At least I have to give them kudos for finally including the necessary terminals and weapon cards in the box now. But the warbringer cardboard terminal, the one that matches all the terminals you already have, is a $25 purchase per terminal (comes with 4 terminals you probably won’t need for free)

A player will need the ruleset components as much as the rule book itself, so having it bundled with the core book at a discount makes sense.

Do you mean it should be an ebook for the sake of travel between games? That would be useful for some players, I'm sure.

Went to pre-order the new Psi-Titan and disappointingly enough it is listed as "temporarily out of stock".

A pre-order is out of stock?

OK.

Still, somewhat pleasantly surprised that it is 'only' $132.

Yeah, shocked by the price. No wonder they’re selling well.

Super pleased with everything I’m reading about Legio Audax.

Sounds like the new Warhound shock lances operate more like a Star Wars ion weapon than a regular melee weapon though.

 Alpharius wrote:
A pre-order is out of stock?

It means they've sold all of the stockpile. More will get cast and put back on sale (and I can add it to my basket in the UK).

As someone who hasn't tried Adeptus Titanicus yet, does the new starter look good? How close to a standard-sized army is it?

I don't play but from what I've seen it's a decent sized army for one person.

 TheWaspinator wrote:
As someone who hasn't tried Adeptus Titanicus yet, does the new starter look good? How close to a standard-sized army is it?

It’s a great value and a much better introduction to the game than the Grandmaster edition. You’ll get a good feel for movement and Titan management with the mix in that set. Very roughly it’s about 1200(?) points. If you later add a Warlord Titan, you’ll be around 1700 (upper range of midsized games) and have a full Axiom maniple. Super solid, balanced force.

Note that AT has three game sizes. The middle range is around 1250-1750. If you bring fewer points than your opponent, you get underdog bonuses. So it’s not a strict 2000 points or go home game the way 40K can be in some circles. Hope that helps.

I’d agree with that.

Decent range of units, and importantly, weapons.

The thing to remember about AT is that your choice of Maniple and Legio will provide the greatest variety. After that, it’s variety of weapons, then the Class. At least in my opinion

Very dull official unboxing vid on YT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxkRBYo0O0k

Just imagine how many they would've sold, had they put only upgrade parts...

 TheWaspinator wrote:
As someone who hasn't tried Adeptus Titanicus yet, does the new starter look good? How close to a standard-sized army is it?

It is indeed very good. Price is great, you get four engines and a pair of knights to a game where most 2-3 hour games are played with 4-6 engines per side. The models you get are excellent in variety (even the Reavers are different kits with lots of weapons) and you can play two different maniples straight from the box (granted, only one of those has rules in the book that comes with the box). Rulebook has also been updated with the errata, so no need to search for that either. Reavers and Hounds are the main workhorses of the game, so this is a solid core to expand from.

Also, if just trying out, you get a feel for the game by just plopping the contents on a table and giving one of each three for both sides.

 TheWaspinator wrote:
As someone who hasn't tried Adeptus Titanicus yet, does the new starter look good? How close to a standard-sized army is it?

Yes, its amazing and provides - out of the box - a good army for matched play. Points wise it all comes to about 1200 points which is the norm. For comparison, the lowest entry would be 3 hounds for about 660 points.

My personal maniple is 1 Reaver, 2 hounds and 2 Cerastus Lancers which comes to 885 points, as I prefer smaller games.

As a reminder, if you bought things separately, you'd be looking at £165. Discounted then it could be as little as £72.

Treat yourself!

Goonhammer has a written review:

https://www.goonhammer.com/adeptus-titanicus-shadow-iron-review/

<small rant> Why do they continue to say that Forgeworld models are "on pre-order" if that only means that certain countries are allowed to do so, such as the UK but not Canada or the US?</rant>

I get it, they have only so much production capacity, and they have to direct it as needed, but I wish they'd simply say that up front.

 schoon wrote:
<small rant> Why do they continue to say that Forgeworld models are "on pre-order" if that only means that certain countries are allowed to do so, such as the UK but not Canada or the US?</rant>

I get it, they have only so much production capacity, and they have to direct it as needed, but I wish they'd simply say that up front.

There is a separate distribution centre for US & Canada with it's own stock (and I think production). Everywhere else ships from the UK which presumably has more stock available.

I'm a little worried that if new titans are now shipping with terminal & weapon cards, those could fall short and need replenishing from an external supplier. The main reason the GME box was unavailable for so long was because the packaging was supplied from China.

I had to have someone in the UK buy and send me the last round of stratagem cards. They were only sold out in the US and Canada. This, of course, would not have happened had I been able to order directly from the UK like in the old days.

It is what is. The US and Canada FW stock is very limited and prone to selling out. If the item is limited edition...you better order right away or you may be looking for friends in the UK. I love their products, but I have yet to see any real advantages of this US distribution center. It’s higher prices with much more limited stock, and a few days faster shipping time doesn’t balance those scales. It’s been very disappointing.

If I already have 2 of every titan and a box of every knight type, is there any sense in getting the new starter?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
If I already have 2 of every titan and a box of every knight type, is there any sense in getting the new starter?

Ehh, I would probably say no...unless for some reason you have to have the new softback book with the faq/eratta in it. The old book is still viable with the printed faq though. So it's not really essential despite being convenient. The new box is good value for money though, I really wish they had started the game with this boxed set instead of the GME. It probably would have had a much stronger playerbase growth and consideration. The GME was off putting and I ended up being the only dude at the shop with any AT models. Now that this new box is coming out several people are taking interest and it's a good sign for the game.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
If I already have 2 of every titan and a box of every knight type, is there any sense in getting the new starter?

Apparently the rule book is an updated version with the latest errata. But IMO the main question is do you want more Reavers and Warhounds?

Agreed that GME was nonsense, I started last year with the Battleforce, rules box, alternate Warlord and alternate Reaver, it was about the same cost as GME and I got a full Axiom with all gun options.


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GoatboyBeta wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
If I already have 2 of every titan and a box of every knight type, is there any sense in getting the new starter?

Apparently the rule book is an updated version with the latest errata. But IMO the main question is do you want more Reavers and Warhounds?

Yes, that's really my question: Is there a point in fielding 4 Reavers or 4 Warhounds at the same time?

Adding a Warbringer to the 3k+ points of Gryphonicus titans & weapons already on my shelf seems fairly redundant, as it's just going to push something else out. I'm seriously considering using this point to start a second Legio so I can at least try out another colour scheme, rules, and have the ability to run demo games for people interesting in starting.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
If I already have 2 of every titan and a box of every knight type, is there any sense in getting the new starter?

Unless you want to start a new titan legio or reinforce your existing ones, or provide a starter game for your local club, then I'd say no.

I'm sure there are other releases as the year goes on so might as well save your pennies - as good a deal as it is.

Saying that, if you want spares for intro gaming friends, this is a price that’s hard to whack.

SamusDrake wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
If I already have 2 of every titan and a box of every knight type, is there any sense in getting the new starter?

Unless you want to start a new titan legio or reinforce your existing ones, or provide a starter game for your local club, then I'd say no.

I'm sure there are other releases as the year goes on so might as well save your pennies - as good a deal as it is.

Let's see. Corsair and lupercal are out totally with 2 of every. Venator is also small one.

Even sticking to 1 maniple max 3/5/5 is totally usable