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As I have predicted the new "free" included terminal is a piece of paper instead of thick board. Not complaining, it's good that they found a way to cut cost and stop hiking these box over the 200$ mark

Look like there're still space left in that box.

Just realized how much of a good deal the new boxed set is, including the battlefield assets its a $100 saving for me, not too shabby!

 Commander Cain wrote:
Just realized how much of a good deal the new boxed set is, including the battlefield assets its a $100 saving for me, not too shabby!

They're on the same sprue as the arc template and cog note, which is essential to play the game.

I just meant that some might not care for more templates and were just interested in the titans. As for me, the more little bits off terrain the better!

I suppose more dice is always welcome!

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Agreed that GME was nonsense, I started last year with the Battleforce, rules box, alternate Warlord and alternate Reaver, it was about the same cost as GME and I got a full Axiom with all gun options.


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GoatboyBeta wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
If I already have 2 of every titan and a box of every knight type, is there any sense in getting the new starter?

Apparently the rule book is an updated version with the latest errata. But IMO the main question is do you want more Reavers and Warhounds?

Yes, that's really my question: Is there a point in fielding 4 Reavers or 4 Warhounds at the same time?

A proper answer: yes. I almost always field four Warhounds in two squadroned pairs in normal 1500-1750 points games, often as parts of Venator or Ferrox maniples. They give you quite a lot of tactical avenues in how to approach and react to developments during the game. Then there are two purely Warhound maniples, Lupercal and Canis (which is exclusive to Ember Wolves, mind), which are both awesome. Four Reavers is also quite easy to fit in a normal list, either in two Ferrox maniples, as a single Corsair flying circus or in other formations where they can use their relatively good durability, okay mobility and good weaponry to great effect.

Does anyone think that we will see Lucius pattern titans?

Unlikely and they have said no plans. It's just cosmetic differences and doing those would take space from NEW stuff. Basically when those appear you know there's not much any new material coming...

Plastic 100% sure no. There just ain't market for expensive plastic sprue of alternative armour plates. Maybe resin once everything new different rule ideas have been exhausted.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
If I already have 2 of every titan and a box of every knight type, is there any sense in getting the new starter?

I bought two maniple boxes back then and I've preordered because I still didn't have the actual game ^^

 Togusa wrote:
Does anyone think that we will see Lucius pattern titans?

Well, if FW aren't doing Xenos then they'll have to scrape the barrel at some point. That said, it took a year for them to release a small upgrade sprue for the Questoris, and we still haven't seen the equally small Cerastus upgrade, so I'd say we are in for a long wait for that kind of thing.

And frankly they will release xenos first. Xenos brings in lot more potential customers than alternative armor plates.

With this snail pace, it'd be 10 years to have all the titan they want to make getting a release. With a stockpile of 1 sprue knights waiting to fill the schedule.

Not to mention once they got around doing BFG, we'd see a major halt in both AT and AI release.

The current slow pace in AT I reckon because they were busy making Tau + 2 more factions in AI.

I figure first we'll see marginally chaosified titans as upgrade packs to what we've got now. So warped armour plating, additional wriggling bits and some unique warped weapons. All built on the same core as the current titans.

Then we'll see fully warped titans with their own core body designs which are fully given into the twisted nature of the warp.

After that or alongside it we'll see some Xenos - I'd wager Eldar and Orks would be up first with Tyranids following soon after.

Tau and Necrons have very limited titan ranges so they'd likely get a lot of unique and newly designed models to fit. Dark Eldar are about the only force without any thing at all, which means they might just be "add some spikes to your Eldar" or they could even get their own unique creations as well.

Chopstick wrote:
With this snail pace, it'd be 10 years to have all the titan they want to make getting a release. With a stockpile of 1 sprue knights waiting to fill the schedule.

Not to mention once they got around doing BFG, we'd see a major halt in both AT and AI release.

The current slow pace in AT I reckon because they were busy making Tau + 2 more factions in AI.

It's been discussed before, but the main reason for the gap in releases is because this stuff has a 1-2 year lead time from initial design to release. What we're seeing now are the first products commissioned after GW saw the much higher than expected sales figures in late 2018. Everything before that was in some level of development before they knew how popular the game would be. It's very risky for them to invest in lots of supporting products only to find that the core game sells like Dreadfleet on release!

Now GW know there's a solid demand, I wouldn't be surprised if we had releases like this with multiple products every 3 months from now on (e.g. May could be have a campaign book, alternate Warbringer box, plastic Chaos Knights, and a FW Corrupted Warlord with resin armour).

tneva82 wrote:
And frankly they will release xenos first. Xenos brings in lot more potential customers than alternative armor plates.

Given that AT is a "Horus Heresy" game, I can see Xenos being introduced in a different game.

By the time they get round to Xenos the Imperial and Chaos ranges will have fully matured, leaving little reason for a competitive player to go for anything else. A revamped Titan Legions game, on the other hand, would allow FW, or GW, to introduce Imperials, Eldar and Orks on somewhat equal footing, while allowing Adeptus Titanicus to keep its chess-like theme with Loyalists and Traitors and the focus on the larger god-engines, while TL would be more suitable for a super-heavy/Titan style of game.

I think around August 2020 we might see a new "epic-scale" game, as we did in previous years with AT and AI...

Only thing in AT that's really HH is fluff. You can release 100% compatible supplement with new rules for xenos and it works fine. Stuff in AT is still usable even in 40k. Warlord is warlord whether it's 30k or 40k.

Adding xenos is just adding new rules for xenos titans and additional fluff. No need for different game.

 xttz wrote:
. It's very risky for them to invest in lots of supporting products only to find that the core game sells like Dreadfleet on release!

Dreadfleet was a totally different product and was designed and marketed as a single box release. Much like how GW remade Space Hulk in that era too. Basically it was GW wanting to make a one mould set and one production run of models and invest X and get back a return on that investment without any long term commitments or plans. I think that in itself really hurt Dreadfleet as whilst the models looked fantastic, in the end it was a one-box-wonder. What "wargamers" wanted was Man O War with multiple ships per faction and army building and fleets. What they got was one ship per faction in a single boxed set. Instead of being the kind of thing everyone at the club would buy, it was more the thing one person would buy and then share out on the game evening to play.

Plus with no future plans and GW outright saying that, it basically meant that it was a single investment more suited to the high end boardgame market than wargamers.



AT was never marketed as a one-box-sale product and I suspect if they had marketed it like that it would have failed. Or at least been really slow to sell and nothing like the sales we saw of it. When people think there's a future with a wargame they are far more likely to jump on board. If they think its going to be dead on arrival then there's less reason to get excited.



They were projects born of very different management attitudes and focuses. I suspect if GW today did Dreadfleet MK2 it would be far closer to Man O War style. With GW likely launching with a couple of races worth of ships at launch with plans for several more factions. Likely staggering it much like Necromunda with rule and model expansions in stages so that if it fails they can just stop and the game is complete at any one production stage. As opposed to releasing a comprehensive rule version (including model rules) which might run the risk that if sales fail to meet targets, it ends up a cancelled and aborted game that never got its full displayed releases.

 Overread wrote:
AT was never marketed as a one-box-sale product and I suspect if they had marketed it like that it would have failed. Or at least been really slow to sell and nothing like the sales we saw of it. When people think there's a future with a wargame they are far more likely to jump on board. If they think its going to be dead on arrival then there's less reason to get excited.

No. But neither would GW be wanting to commit on tons of kits for 2 years before knowing did game flop or not.

We already know from their statement AT surprised them with sales which resulted in increase of resources. But result of that is only now starting to show due to lead times. Originally support wasn't planned to be quite as intensive as it turned when it became clear it was selling faster than expected. But just because it sells more than you thought and you put in more resources doesn't mean new kits and books comes out instantly.

tneva82 wrote:
Only thing in AT that's really HH is fluff. You can release 100% compatible supplement with new rules for xenos and it works fine. Stuff in AT is still usable even in 40k. Warlord is warlord whether it's 30k or 40k.

Adding xenos is just adding new rules for xenos titans and additional fluff. No need for different game.

Exactly. It's one of the powers of Titans that they basically don't change through the generations. So the titans we have no can transfer fully to the 41st millennium without any problems. Adding Xenos to the setting basically requires them to make Xenos titan models and that's about it. Someone can then write a bit of fluff and story about them. Orks and Eldar can even appear during the HH time period. I suspect even Dark Eldar could as well. The only factions that can't are Tau, Tyranids and Necrons as they don't appear until much later in the setting. Although technically Necrons ARE at least present in the galaxy, just dormant.

The only thing that would mess it up is if GW makes an Epic game set in the HH era with HH imperial units that don't translate to the 41st era.

Guess non-chaosised titans in 40k could look bit odd but...why chaos has to be all spikes and tentacles anyway?

Honestly I kinda wish they didn’t have them Horus heresy excuse: the game doesn’t even have *two* factions yet unless you count titans and knights seperately.

Would it be better to have 40k with 2 sides with same models?

It's practicality. FW can't bring in multiple full lines at once. Either way you have 1 line of titans for both sides. What does it matter is fluff for HH or 40k?

tneva82 wrote:
Would it be better to have 40k with 2 sides with same models?

Thats what 40k is right. SM vs SM

 Togusa wrote:
Does anyone think that we will see Lucius pattern titans?

I think we'll see the 3D-printing file market take care of that. The problem being that the current Warlord Titans wouldn't look right with Lucius-pattern plating because their legs are so short and shoulders so broad.

The Psy-Titan is available for US customers for pre-order now.

If interested, Go. Go. Go.

tneva82 wrote:
Only thing in AT that's really HH is fluff. You can release 100% compatible supplement with new rules for xenos and it works fine. Stuff in AT is still usable even in 40k. Warlord is warlord whether it's 30k or 40k.

Adding xenos is just adding new rules for xenos titans and additional fluff. No need for different game.

Well, of course the fluff is the only difference but its the setting of the game nonetheless, and the product range has been designed around loyalists and traitors - the model kits are designed to accomodate both, to the point where one has a lot of left over pieces. At this stage - over a year from its initial release - I doubt AT was designed to be anything more than a game of Loyalists and Traiters.

That said, the core rule book does mention a conflict involving super heavies and interference from Eldar titans...

I suspect that when, and let's face it, it is a when, not an if, we get Xenos, a new boxed set will be released, featuring perhaps Orks.

I mean, Orks don't need much of a reason to fight Orks, so could do the same double-up trick.

Could also be Orks Vs Eldar. Sadly my imagination flops at this point as I've only ever known Imperial/Chaos/Ork/Eldar Titans

SamusDrake wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
And frankly they will release xenos first. Xenos brings in lot more potential customers than alternative armor plates.

Given that AT is a "Horus Heresy" game, I can see Xenos being introduced in a different game.

By the time they get round to Xenos the Imperial and Chaos ranges will have fully matured, leaving little reason for a competitive player to go for anything else. A revamped Titan Legions game, on the other hand, would allow FW, or GW, to introduce Imperials, Eldar and Orks on somewhat equal footing, while allowing Adeptus Titanicus to keep its chess-like theme with Loyalists and Traitors and the focus on the larger god-engines, while TL would be more suitable for a super-heavy/Titan style of game.

I think around August 2020 we might see a new "epic-scale" game, as we did in previous years with AT and AI...

Eldar would actually work in the HH era, as there is fluff of them being involved in both Great Crusade and HH era battles here and there.

SamusDrake wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Only thing in AT that's really HH is fluff. You can release 100% compatible supplement with new rules for xenos and it works fine. Stuff in AT is still usable even in 40k. Warlord is warlord whether it's 30k or 40k.

Adding xenos is just adding new rules for xenos titans and additional fluff. No need for different game.

Well, of course the fluff is the only difference but its the setting of the game nonetheless, and the product range has been designed around loyalists and traitors - the model kits are designed to accomodate both, to the point where one has a lot of left over pieces. At this stage - over a year from its initial release - I doubt AT was designed to be anything more than a game of Loyalists and Traiters.

That said, the core rule book does mention a conflict involving super heavies and interference from Eldar titans...

Eeh there's nothing in at that prevents expansions elsewhere. Spare parts? What does that mattter? Same titans can fight 30k and 40k. Part of fluff is lack of new gear. Not just same classes but even literally same titans can fight both era's

It's not even unprecedent that you have same models used in 2 era's with compatible rules...

And de#igner# have never ruled out expansion for xenos in time :f sales warrant it.

My big worry with Xenos titans (and even new parts of the AT HH range) is the temptation for GW to make most or all of them into 28mm scale products too, delaying production.

It would suck if Ork gargants took much longer to arrive because someone insisted on making one available as 20kg resin monstrosity that put the Manta to shame.

 Overread wrote:


Dreadfleet was a totally different product and was designed and marketed as a single box release.

That was just a top-of-the-head example of a poor selling GW product, not a comparison to AT.

At the end of the day sales forecasting (for any kind of business) is like predicting the future. There are so many different factors affecting customer decision making you can't know precisely how many of a thing you will sell until you've sold them. It's sensible to err on the side of caution, especially for brand new product ranges.