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2020/09/01 02:47:42
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
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Hiya all!
So like I've got a question right; has anyone ever read a Space Marine story where they've whacked their head on a door frame? As they're supposed to be 7-8 feet tall even without armour right? Considering that most civilian architecture is probably not built around their robust physiques, I just can't get over the idea that they can traverse these obstacles without any issues at all. I mean we've seen that even storm troopers have trouble not banging their domes on reasonable sized doors.
If anyone knows any details from the lore of them struggling with confined spaces, moving awkwardly in hallways etc, please tell me, it's vital for painting a realistic picture of my favourite grim-dark, bolter-porn, warp-magic, evil-god, space-elf filled universe.
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my guys: 40k
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2020/09/01 02:53:37
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Note that the 41st Milennium is also the home of ludicrously high ceilings.
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2020/09/01 06:38:00
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
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A good point. However, though that will mitigate the issues facing heroic final stands, the day to day clearing of hives surely must still present a problem?
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my guys: 40k
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2020/09/01 08:07:52
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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thetallestgiraffe wrote:
A good point. However, though that will mitigate the issues facing heroic final stands, the day to day clearing of hives surely must still present a problem?
if the door's too small thats what bolters are for.
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2020/09/01 08:11:12
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest
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...and of ludicrously deep dark pits with railing-less gantries crossing over them. Or wait - is that Star Wars...?
I like to think that if a Space Marine wearing their helmet bashed their head on a door, they'd just create a new semi-circle hole in the doorframe...
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"Hard pressed on my right. My centre is yielding. Impossible to manoeuvre. Situation excellent. I am attacking." - General Ferdinand Foch |
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2020/09/01 08:40:13
Subject: Re:Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Executing Exarch
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From the first founding to the primaris era the goldilocks indoctrination means they will not attempt to use doors that are too small or too big only those which are just right as defined in the codex
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"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED." |
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2020/09/01 08:40:49
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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I think it's one of the Gaunt's Ghosts novels where they specifically say the Marines have to duck under the doorframes (and that their weight cracks the ornate mosaics in the floor).
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2020/09/01 09:02:53
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Squats would be safe from SM attack then. They have to attack their buildings on their hands an knees
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2020/09/01 09:11:21
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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mrFickle wrote:Squats would be safe from SM attack then. They have to attack their buildings on their hands an knees
"Death of Integrity" has Marines having to remove their armour to crawl thru ducts.
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2020/09/01 09:25:27
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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In a combat situation? Particularly urban environments?
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2020/09/01 09:37:10
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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TBF, i assume that urban centres would be the most likely scenario in which marines will take heavy casualities.
Lot's off options to mine, trap, hide, etc.
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Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
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GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
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2020/09/01 13:57:59
Subject: Re:Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Hitting their head un-helmeted on a door is how they hammer in a service stud.
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2020/09/01 14:47:31
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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Not Online!!! wrote:
TBF, i assume that urban centres would be the most likely scenario in which marines will take heavy casualities.
Lot's off options to mine, trap, hide, etc.
Mining and trapping are probably less effective when your foe can, relatively freely, forge their own path?
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2020/09/01 15:32:55
Subject: Re:Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Lead-Footed Trukkboy Driver
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In one of the Gaunt's Ghosts books, a Chaos Space Marine decides to forgo wearing a helmet and gets killed by dozens of "savages" shooting his head full of scores of poison darts, which I found to be hilarious.
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Active armies, still collecting and painting First and greatest love - Orks, Orks, and more Orks largest pile of shame, so many tanks unassembled most complete and painted beautiful models, couldn't resist the swarm will consume all
Armies in disrepair: nothing new since 5th edition oh how I want to revive, but mostly old fantasy demons and some glorious Soul Grinders in need of love |
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2020/09/01 16:12:09
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
On an Express Elevator to Hell!!
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There was bit along these lines in one of the ADB Night Lord trilogy books where a boarding party of Blood Angels have boarded the NL ship. A marine sergeant had taken his helmet off to 'smell his enemies' (I am paraphrasing - something pompous along those lines). One of the Night Lords drops down behind them, shoots him in the neck and blows his head off on account of him not wearing a helmet.
mrFickle wrote:Squats would be safe from SM attack then. They have to attack their buildings on their hands an knees
I wonder if Squats are the equivalent of people playing OddJob in N64 Goldeneye. Basically annoying as hell and 'cheating' as every shot fired at waist height goes over their heads.
This is why they were banned
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2020/09/01 16:25:11
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Not Online!!! wrote:
TBF, i assume that urban centres would be the most likely scenario in which marines will take heavy casualities.
Lot's off options to mine, trap, hide, etc.
Mining and trapping are probably less effective when your foe can, relatively freely, forge their own path?
Military forces have been making their own doors during urban fighting since at least WWII [supposedly, the technique for making a hole from one house directly into another so you don't have to go outside was invented by the Canadians at Ortona, but I have a hard time believing that nobody before them figured that out since it doesn't seem that hard of a conclusion to come to]
I'm reasonably certain that mines, traps, and ambushes would still be generally effective against Space Marines.
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades! |
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2020/09/01 20:08:58
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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In the Ian Watson book Space Marine, the Marines are having to fight Squats that are defending tunnel systems and it causes lots of problems. I think one marine gets stuck and the Squats cut his legs off or something like that.
Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:Military forces have been making their own doors during urban fighting since at least WWII [supposedly, the technique for making a hole from one house directly into another so you don't have to go outside was invented by the Canadians at Ortona, but I have a hard time believing that nobody before them figured that out since it doesn't seem that hard of a conclusion to come to]
I'm reasonably certain that mines, traps, and ambushes would still be generally effective against Space Marines.
I always think of the movie Dog Soldiers where the soldiers are barricading doors at the same time they're smashing new holes in the walls to get from room to room.
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2020/09/01 20:41:09
Subject: Re:Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Broom Weilding Peasant
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Also from the same book Pacific referenced (Night Lords Omnibus) there is a part where First Claw are infiltrating a Marines Errant Fortress Monastery as a favour to Huron and the Red Corsairs.
One of the chapter serfs (Yeshic) gets distracted by a noise in the next room, similar to awakened ceremite (functioning power armour)
In his words/thoughts "But the Marines Errant never ventured into this wing of the fortress. Yeshic smiled at the very idea, an Errant would struggle to even fit through the doorway here".
The Night Lord hidden in the room had to use the maintenance shaft in the ceiling to get there.
Although it does make you wonder, a fortress monastery built for the Adeptus Astartes, but some rooms they would struggle to access
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2020/09/01 20:43:45
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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Except for one particular place the Lucky 13's regiment had to fight in.
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2020/09/01 21:00:43
Subject: Re:Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Killer Claw wrote:Also from the same book Pacific referenced (Night Lords Omnibus) there is a part where First Claw are infiltrating a Marines Errant Fortress Monastery as a favour to Huron and the Red Corsairs.
One of the chapter serfs (Yeshic) gets distracted by a noise in the next room, similar to awakened ceremite (functioning power armour)
In his words/thoughts "But the Marines Errant never ventured into this wing of the fortress. Yeshic smiled at the very idea, an Errant would struggle to even fit through the doorway here".
The Night Lord hidden in the room had to use the maintenance shaft in the ceiling to get there.
Although it does make you wonder, a fortress monastery built for the Adeptus Astartes, but some rooms they would struggle to access
Wait, the doorway couldn't fit a marine but the maintenance shaft could?
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2020/09/01 21:05:13
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Damsel of the Lady
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This topic turned out to be very different from the one i imagined from the title
*sadly puts aside "space marines on an easter egg hunt" fic until another time*
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realism is a lie
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2020/09/01 21:20:06
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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It's pretty damn stupid to make space marines HUUUUUGE. Not many real advantages and lots of disadvantages, especially in cramped conditions like boarding actions. You know, the thing marines are supposed to excel at. But I guess regular sized marines wouldn't be cool enough for some people.
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2020/09/02 00:48:57
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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You think small doorways are a problem? Consider the greatest threat to Marines: Stairs. Think how heavy Marines are. Now imagine them coming across a vital objective, but they need to go up some wooden stairs first.
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2020/09/02 01:20:55
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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H.B.M.C. wrote:You think small doorways are a problem? Consider the greatest threat to Marines:
Stairs.
Think how heavy Marines are. Now imagine them coming across a vital objective, but they need to go up some wooden stairs first.
In the grim darkness of the future, there is only wheelchair ramps
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
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2020/09/02 01:50:28
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:You think small doorways are a problem? Consider the greatest threat to Marines:
Stairs.
Think how heavy Marines are. Now imagine them coming across a vital objective, but they need to go up some wooden stairs first.
In the grim darkness of the future, there is only wheelchair ramps
Oh, you just know they hit the rickety wooden building with an Auspex scan until they find what they need—after, they do leaping Koolaid-Man entrances and grab what ever.
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If the truth can destroy it, then it deserves to be destroyed. |
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2020/09/02 03:23:13
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Yeah there's a whole host of problems that come with being ginormous. Anti-marine pit traps ought to be pretty common considering their weight.
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2020/09/02 08:50:37
Subject: Re:Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest
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I seem to remember something about anti-gravitic motors to reduce a Marine's weight...? Always struck me as sci-fi mumbo-jumbo nonsense to me, but I guess something like it is kinda necessary.
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"Hard pressed on my right. My centre is yielding. Impossible to manoeuvre. Situation excellent. I am attacking." - General Ferdinand Foch |
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2020/09/02 11:41:10
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
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Apple Peel wrote:
Oh, you just know they hit the rickety wooden building with an Auspex scan until they find what they need—after, they do leaping Koolaid-Man entrances and grab what ever.
Ahahaha, that's an amazing image, a Blood Angel with his arms spread bursts through, "OH YEEAAAHHH!".
It's also surely realistic though, they not only have some of the hardest, strongest equipment in the universe, but also visors to see through all the dust.
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2020/09/02 11:49:43
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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H.B.M.C. wrote:You think small doorways are a problem? Consider the greatest threat to Marines:
Stairs.
Think how heavy Marines are. Now imagine them coming across a vital objective, but they need to go up some wooden stairs first.
They don't seem to have any issue with them in War of Secrets.
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2020/09/02 20:04:16
Subject: Space Marines getting eggs on their heads?
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Ground Crew
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Not Online!!! wrote:
TBF, i assume that urban centres would be the most likely scenario in which marines will take heavy casualities.
Lot's off options to mine, trap, hide, etc.
In one of the Gav Thorpe Dark Angel books, a squad comes across a very thick plasteel door that is locked, and would not take demo charges well. Instead, they blew through the adjacent wall which was not marine proof. I imagine there is a lot of "artificial doors" in 40k.
Unless there is a specific objective inside a building, Marines would probably lob a few grenades inside and move on. Otherwise, that is what scouts are for.
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