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The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~Lord Jeffrey


“Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain – and most fools do.” – Dale Carnegie

"A witty saying proves nothing." --Voltaire

Very well done sir!

Aggy wins...

I've also been to my GW store today. The manager had no clue of the price rise and the day it comes into effect at all - even though it's coming on Monday! Always good to know when the staff has no idea what's going on next week... .

I was just at the local GW and a local game store, and both managers didn't know either.

The local GW manager thought the prices wouldn't go up until june 4th at the soonest, and he would perhaps receive the pricing announcement on monday.

So it is all quite messed up.

Cost of LR in 2000: $50.00. Still using the same model 12 years later cost per year $4.166 the same model can be used for as long as you wish to play. Cost of iphone $500 or so depends on contract. It may last 2 years......You do the math. Tank of gas this morning was close to $80 and it will be gone by next week. Model bought yesterday "can" last a lifetime........Its just not that expensive.

Fictional wrote:

Miraclefish wrote:I still remember when I was in my teens and you could buy a box of Marines for pocket money.

How is it that a Tactical squad is now four times the price?

Its called "inflation".

Prices have inflated 72% since 1997. GW's Marines have gone from £9.99 for 10 to £23 (and this is before any June price rise).

Inflation alone would bring it to £17.18. The rest? Well, plastic prices may have gone up, but it just feels like price gouging now.

Tigerone wrote:Cost of LR in 2000: $50.00. Still using the same model 12 years later cost per year $4.166 the same model can be used for as long as you wish to play.

Or until the new codex comes out, anyway.

There's a sad sort of clanging from the register on the desk
And the bells in the steeple too
And up in the factory is an absurd little bird (two headed eagle)
Is popping out to say "cuckoo GW, shame on you"

Cuckoo, Cuckoo

Regretfully they tell us Cuckoo, cuckoo
But firmly they compel us Cuckoo, cuckoo
To say goodbye GW . . .

All the Kroot sing: So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, good night

Mark Wells says: I hate to price you guys out and leave this pretty sight

The Eldar sing: So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, adieu

Ian Livingstone says: Adieu, adieu, to yieu and yieu and yieu

The Space Marines sing: So long, farewell, au revoir, auf wiedersehen

Tom Kirby says: I'd like to say I can now afford my first champagne

Chaos Demons sing: So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, goodbye

Kevin Rountree says: I heave and a sigh and say thanks for all the cash -- Goodbye!

Steve Jackson says: I'm glad I left, I cannot tell a lie

Nurgle says: I flit, I float, I fleetly flee, I fly and take a crap on you all, Goodbye, Goodbye!

John Peake says: The sun has gone to bed and so must I

And all of Nottingham (and the rest of the world) says: Goodbye!

I hope you have enjoyed the dog and pony show, but instead of buying more gouged out product from a company who does not appreciate it's customer base (14yr olds with expendable Mom and Dads incomes not included), I will join Papa Nurgle and see a man about a horse.

Goodbye!

I wonder if this is just a brilliant ploy by GW to get people to go out and buy their larger kits before "the prices rise".

Maybe there wont be a price rise at all. And in fact they just want to boost sales of Battleforces, Land Raiders, and Stormchickens.

Laughing Man wrote:

Tigerone wrote:Cost of LR in 2000: $50.00. Still using the same model 12 years later cost per year $4.166 the same model can be used for as long as you wish to play.

Or until the new codex comes out, anyway.

And a new codex coming out means you cant use a LR?

Bluetau wrote:I wonder if this is just a brilliant ploy by GW to get people to go out and buy their larger kits before "the prices rise".

Maybe there wont be a price rise at all. And in fact they just want to boost sales of Battleforces, Land Raiders, and Stormchickens.

"The one who does not remember history is bound to live through it again" - Santayana

I for one will trade what I can, but I will not be buying new models.

Sidstyler wrote:
Except it's not, which is well-established in each and every thread like this. "Inflation" doesn't account for 25%+ increases in price every single year.

GW does not raise prices "25% every year", lets not get silly. If you average this current price increase over their entire range, it's probably something like 5-6% rise, even though some individual items have got outrageous price hikes.

What people refer as 'inflation' is actually averaged index called Consumer Price Index, where actual annual increases per item range from negative to something like 40%. There is no reason why any company should follow the exact inflation rate in their pricing, and indeed almost none do. Besides, as I have said many times before, CPI is pretty much a crock these days, artificially calculated to be low so politicians can impress peons showing just how low the inflation is.

This is not my only hobby which has got more expensive over last few years. I shoot, and cost of ammo is just ourageous these days: about 50% increase over last five years, that's pretty much GW-like price rise. I kick myself that I didn't buy huge supply back in the day when it was cheap.

Unlike ammunition and guns - they don't change the rules on which gun you have to have or which ammo you have to buy and then price jack those.

Uriels_Flame wrote:Unlike ammunition and guns - they don't change the rules on which gun you have to have or which ammo you have to buy and then price jack those.

I guess you have never shot IPSC.

Comparing wargaming models to other industries is simply a mask for not having a real argument for why a price increase is justified...unless you have a real correlation. Candy goes up, because sugar goes up. Doesn't have much to do with models. Unless you consider that kids who spend their money on candy now have even less to spend on models, so obviously the price of those models needs to go up. No, that doesn't make sense either...

pretre wrote:
Legos for through Factory/Pick a brick. Gee another high end hobby item.
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/109368

Which is a terrible example (just imagine how expensive a new GW pick-a-bit or "40k Factory" would be) and doesn't reflect their regular set pricing. I collect Castle series and the sets today are a much better value than they were 10-15 years ago. Even fans of the late 80's to early 90's era "golden age of castle" are calling these latest sets the best ever made...for good reason. Are GW sets today a better value than they were a decade ago?

The Black Falcon's Fortress was released in 1986 at a price of $35. It was re-released in 2003 at $40. King Leo's Castle was released in 2000 and had 524 pieces and 8 figures for $90 (0.17 per piece). The King's Castle in 2010 had 933 pieces and 8 figures for $100 (0.11 per piece), and was a much, much better castle.

Just a page ago I exalted this post...

oni wrote:The amount of rationalization going on in this thread is alarming.

We can do without the cracks and digs at each thanks folks.

On a serious note. Berating someone for complaining about Games Workshop financially screwing them, by pointing out that other companies are doing the same.
Does not further your argument. It merely means you've accepted everybody screwing you.

Just because numerous company's are doing it does not make it right.

On a side, yet related note: Privateer Press just announced their summer warmachine/hordes sale...

Well.. the point is that GW is pretty much alone in the miniature wargame market in doing this. Yes, Warmachine is getting more expensive as well, but I think the luxury of them not being a publically traded company means they will continue to keep their focus on their fans, rather than entirely on hitting the biggest possible profit margin so there will continue to be a pricing discrepancy.

Tigerone wrote:Cost of LR in 2000: $50.00. Still using the same model 12 years later cost per year $4.166 the same model can be used for as long as you wish to play. Cost of iphone $500 or so depends on contract. It may last 2 years......You do the math. Tank of gas this morning was close to $80 and it will be gone by next week. Model bought yesterday "can" last a lifetime........Its just not that expensive.

Just a correction... the 2000 price of the current exact same godhammer land raider was $45 (44.99 to be exact) and not $50. If you're going to bring in pesky numbers to base your argument on, you might as well use the correct one.

Maelstrom Games paints a different picture...

they have a spreadsheet of rises and yes they are bad but we're not looking at 80 quid for a BF... this is assuming Maelstrom figures are correct. June 4th for the rise....

31 quid for a falcon? i remember when they were 17....

http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=new&ref=241

Backfire wrote:
GW does not raise prices "25% every year", lets not get silly. If you average this current price increase over their entire range, it's probably something like 5-6% rise, even though some individual items have got outrageous price hikes.

"5-6% annually" is exponential growth. At 7% you go from $50 to $400 in 30 years. 10 more years and it's up to $800, and so on. Doesn't sound so reasonable now, does it?

DiabolicAl wrote:Maelstrom Games paints a different picture...

they have a spreadsheet of rises and yes they are bad but we're not looking at 80 quid for a BF... this is assuming Maelstrom figures are correct. June 4th for the rise....

31 quid for a falcon? i remember when they were 17....

http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=new&ref=241

Looks like those are maelstrom's retail prices AFTER their discount

Davylove21 wrote:

DiabolicAl wrote:Maelstrom Games paints a different picture...

they have a spreadsheet of rises and yes they are bad but we're not looking at 80 quid for a BF... this is assuming Maelstrom figures are correct. June 4th for the rise....

31 quid for a falcon? i remember when they were 17....

http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=new&ref=241

Looks like those are maelstrom's retail prices AFTER their discount

aaah, i thought some of the before hike prices were a bit reasonable.. I cant remember the last time i bought GW models that weren't from Wayland!! (it is only 5 minutes away! )

Uriels_Flame wrote:There's a sad sort of clanging from the register on the desk
And the bells in the steeple too
And up in the factory is an absurd little bird (two headed eagle)
Is popping out to say "cuckoo GW, shame on you"

Cuckoo, Cuckoo

Regretfully they tell us Cuckoo, cuckoo
But firmly they compel us Cuckoo, cuckoo
To say goodbye GW . . .

All the Kroot sing: So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, good night

Mark Wells says: I hate to price you guys out and leave this pretty sight

The Eldar sing: So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, adieu

Ian Livingstone says: Adieu, adieu, to yieu and yieu and yieu

The Space Marines sing: So long, farewell, au revoir, auf wiedersehen

Tom Kirby says: I'd like to say I can now afford my first champagne

Chaos Demons sing: So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, goodbye

Kevin Rountree says: I heave and a sigh and say thanks for all the cash -- Goodbye!

Steve Jackson says: I'm glad I left, I cannot tell a lie

Nurgle says: I flit, I float, I fleetly flee, I fly and take a crap on you all, Goodbye, Goodbye!

John Peake says: The sun has gone to bed and so must I

And all of Nottingham (and the rest of the world) says: Goodbye!

I hope you have enjoyed the dog and pony show, but instead of buying more gouged out product from a company who does not appreciate it's customer base (14yr olds with expendable Mom and Dads incomes not included), I will join Papa Nurgle and see a man about a horse.

Goodbye!

Still a better backstory than Bloodtide.

Cadorius wrote:

Backfire wrote:
GW does not raise prices "25% every year", lets not get silly. If you average this current price increase over their entire range, it's probably something like 5-6% rise, even though some individual items have got outrageous price hikes.

"5-6% annually" is exponential growth. At 7% you go from $50 to $400 in 30 years. 10 more years and it's up to $800, and so on. Doesn't sound so reasonable now, does it?

No offense, but 30 years ago we Brits had just barely entered the decimal system (by 2 years) currency wise. Before that we were paying a half-penny for a packet of sweets. Now at the local sweet shop I'm looking at about £1 for a bag and I have a feeling they are smaller bags but I don't really know that since I wasn't even born at that point.

Ok, can someone clarify something for me:

Darksphere list the SM battleforce as going up to £80 so 33.3...%

Maelstrom have it as a 17.07% rise

Who is right?

Apparently Maelstrom offer a discount. So Darksphere probably have the correct price when not discounted.