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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 02:21:07
Subject: Re:Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Deadly Dark Eldar Warrior
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I wanted to play necrons, but if these rumors hold true, necrons will be my second army.
I just kind of skimmed through the statlines, and didn't read any of the fluff  .
The transports sound kind of fitting, like a who bunch of necrons in stasis, and thier resective tombs
kind of splinter off into transports to get the necrons into the fray.
But I am incredably pumped!
100th Post  !
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"Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
-Terry Pratchett
The Duke's Sky Serpents
Raids of Pleasure and Pain
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 02:23:51
Subject: Re:Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Dakka Veteran
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yakface wrote:Hmmmm....LYCHE like warriors who GUARD the Lord, you say?
I wonder what that new Elites unit that can carry Warscythes in the new codex will be called?
Something not called Pariah carrying a warcythe, I am shocked! Shocked!
Thanks Yakface; I guess Nick Kyme pretty much once again delivered a surprisingly accurate preview of an upcoming codex. Now, if it's an August release, we should be seeing something fairly soon... I hope.
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8000 points of XI Legion the Space Vagabonds, they can adapt their tactics to represent any and every Legion and Chapter as needed because they were created by the Emperor to be the ultimate tactical power. They have faked their disappearance in order to infiltrate every part of the conflicts in the galaxy.
8000 points of Tau/Craftworld Eldar/Necron because the Space Vagabonds can also emulate their wargear and tactics.
Victories: ALL
Losses: NONE (My armies have the psychic ability to conjure a cataclysmic storm whenever they are about to lose. This allows the Space Vagabonds to teleport away while releasing power waves that destroys the battlefield and so every battle is a victory)
Sabet wrote:PS: Vhalyar, that signature makes you look like a band wagoner and a very bad loser |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 04:20:58
Subject: Re:Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
California
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I just talked to my FLGS owner. He says the most likely thing is 5+ FNP, and says we can expect it around October.
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Dirty Harry wrote:I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk? |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 04:39:33
Subject: Re:Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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kenzosan wrote:The Metal Tide wrote:Kurgash wrote:Monstrous creatures, Dreadknights *oh how I will laugh at that happening! just picture the harness getting stripped away and the dude falling out with a thud* and all sorts of other multi wound units, Tyranids especiallly!
Oh wow...yet another codex where something really mulches over the nids.
I can just see the shock on the terminators faces that crush my necrons as their armour is no more
that wont happen though. unless they are palladins, termi's have 1 wound. thats the issue alot of use are having with scarabs.
I think they just have to -hit- you (not wound) and then roll a 4+; so things with heavy armor or high toughness would lose out. They don't need to be multi-wound, since the scarabs don't need to wound to activate their ability.
From how I understand it, anyway.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 04:54:46
Subject: Re:Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Judging how much the rumors are following Fall of Damnos in a lot of areas, I think the lychguard or whatever they end up being will be replacing the pariahs in form, and crypteks will be something of a cross between techpriest and librarian.
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11,100 pts, 7,000 pts
++ Heed my words for I am the Herald and we are the footsteps of doom. Interlopers, do we name you. Defilers of our
sacred earth. We have awoken to your primative species and will not tolerate your presence. Ours is the way of logic,
of cold hard reason: your irrationality, your human disease has no place in the necrontyr. Flesh is weak.
Surrender to the machine incarnate. Surrender and die. ++
Tuagh wrote: If you won't use a wrench, it isn't the bolt's fault that your hammer is useless. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 05:00:58
Subject: Re:Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
california
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Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:I think they just have to -hit- you (not wound) and then roll a 4+; so things with heavy armor or high toughness would lose out. They don't need to be multi-wound, since the scarabs don't need to wound to activate their ability.
From how I understand it, anyway.
your thinking of a tank
Yakface wrote:Any non-vehicle model they wound, but don't kill, has its armor save turned to a dash (i.e. nothing) for the rest of the game.
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currently run
my eldar at 2000 pts
chaos space marine at 3000+ pts
working on dark eldar aiming for 2k
Had a 1k Tau and a 2k Ork and 3k BA. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 05:06:06
Subject: Re:Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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kenzosan wrote:Yakface wrote:Any non-vehicle model they wound, but don't kill, has its armor save turned to a dash (i.e. nothing) for the rest of the game.
Hmm. So if you wound a Terminator, it makes its save, then you roll a 4+ and it loses that save? I wonder if it just needs to 'wound', or if the model needs to actually suffer the wound...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 05:46:01
Subject: Re:Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
california
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Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:kenzosan wrote:Yakface wrote:Any non-vehicle model they wound, but don't kill, has its armor save turned to a dash (i.e. nothing) for the rest of the game.
Hmm. So if you wound a Terminator, it makes its save, then you roll a 4+ and it loses that save? I wonder if it just needs to 'wound', or if the model needs to actually suffer the wound... you wound a termi and it dies. the scarab rumor is purely for multi wound models and vehicles.
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currently run
my eldar at 2000 pts
chaos space marine at 3000+ pts
working on dark eldar aiming for 2k
Had a 1k Tau and a 2k Ork and 3k BA. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 06:13:19
Subject: Re:Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker
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THAT is what would attract me to play necron... or ork
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 06:17:40
Subject: Re:Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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kenzosan wrote:Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:kenzosan wrote:Yakface wrote:Any non-vehicle model they wound, but don't kill, has its armor save turned to a dash (i.e. nothing) for the rest of the game.
Hmm. So if you wound a Terminator, it makes its save, then you roll a 4+ and it loses that save? I wonder if it just needs to 'wound', or if the model needs to actually suffer the wound...
you wound a termi and it dies. the scarab rumor is purely for multi wound models and vehicles.
I'm not positive this is accurate. It will depend on the wording once it's actually in print.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 06:19:38
Subject: Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
california
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haha, thats what i said awhile ago got to wait to see actual print. im just making sure that we understand the rumors properly and not "on a 4+ the enemy unit loses their armor saves" when NOWHERE has it said that.
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currently run
my eldar at 2000 pts
chaos space marine at 3000+ pts
working on dark eldar aiming for 2k
Had a 1k Tau and a 2k Ork and 3k BA. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 08:55:15
Subject: Re:Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Commanding Orc Boss
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In my opinion, losing the save on a simple roll (4+ or more) would be too broken. Having to actually wound the model seems more likely (and perhaps still kind of broken  ) Of course, it's still all speculation.
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KoW Ogres/Basileans/Elves
WHFB Orcs & Goblins
WH40k Necrons
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'Lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 09:11:19
Subject: Re:Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Been Around the Block
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Now after having a couple of days to reflect and to come to terms with theese rumors i have come to the conclusion.
Maybe this is not what i saw my necrons go towards, and maybe its not really what i would have done and not the direction i would have liked it to go But..
In the end we will all just buy the new codex and we will go from there.
I am sad to see my deciever go but will try to get as many matches ageinst my friends as i can before the new codex hits (whenever that is).
I mean in the end its just a game and we are apparently alot of players with different opinions on what the necrons are and should be and this time, it seems as it will be not the necrons i had evisioned that will come into play (im theese rumors are correct come release day)
But i will still play them and probably love them aswell after a little time.
Maybe they will even be more than i think of what i want i just dont know it yet.
I will form my opinion efter the release until then i can only go with what i feel and know atm.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 09:17:04
Subject: Re:Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Commanding Orc Boss
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Well spoken Ogard.
And that concludes this thread (until Yakface has something new to add...)  Just kidding...
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KoW Ogres/Basileans/Elves
WHFB Orcs & Goblins
WH40k Necrons
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'Lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 09:23:41
Subject: Re:Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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One Canoptek Scarab in a Swarm
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yes, those are some good points there orgard, I quite like the rumors except for some parts that I hope are not true,
mainly the weaker Immortals having them as being as weak as current warriors doesn't really fit the fluff, especially after reading Fall of Damnos,
I feel they should either keep the toughness 5 or have a 2+ armor save, possibly both but that would make them a bit expensive points wise (not that they would die alot  )
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 10:16:34
Subject: Re:Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Numberless Necron Warrior
New Zealand
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I'm still waiting on Yak leaking us the Wraith stat line and rules ....... please
I'm still waiting on Fall of Damnos to be delivered to me, but I've always figured that the black library books don't really fit in with the table top or codex fluff. It always needs to be toned down if you want to keep balance in check. If you read the fluff of Gauss weapons you'd argue that they should all be AP2 right?
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Retired Space Marine and Necron 40K player. Looking to start Warmahordes in the future.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 10:19:13
Subject: Re:Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Deranged Necron Destroyer
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Sectiplave wrote:I'm still waiting on Yak leaking us the Wraith stat line and rules ....... please
I'm hoping Wraiths don't change too much, except obviously they either need poisoned weapons or power weapons. And maybe less strength, 6 is a bit much, I'd rather have the few points I'd get in exchange.
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Setekh the Eternal, Phaeron of the Kopakh Dynasty, Regent of Nephthys 7660pts |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 10:47:55
Subject: Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Judgemental Grey Knight Justicar
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OMFG I should have read this before I went and got a necron codex. WASTE!!!!!!
Ok anyway, does anyone know when this new codex is expected to arrive? next few weeks or months or years.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 10:53:30
Subject: Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Marthike wrote:Ok anyway, does anyone know when this new codex is expected to arrive? next few weeks or months or years.
The earliest it can come is in three months - we've already been told what's being released in May (Tomb Kings), June ( DE 2nd wave) and July (Storm of Magic).
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"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 10:55:52
Subject: Re:Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Numberless Necron Warrior
New Zealand
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Scarey Nerd wrote:I'm hoping Wraiths don't change too much, except obviously they either need poisoned weapons or power weapons. And maybe less strength, 6 is a bit much, I'd rather have the few points I'd get in exchange.
Yeah I generally want to refrain from wish listing, but I'm hoping to see an increase in wound dealing ability, I hope they retain S6 as this made them great at damaging transports with rear AV10, if this is also teamed up with larger squad sizes, and it would fit with GW wanting to sell more models too right?
I believe the fast attack slots will still be highly contested for Necrons, however it's sounding like Elites will finally offer some contest in where to spend up points.
Also for those mentioning the change to destroyers being jump infantry, don't forget this means they only take up 2 slots in a transport! If their weapon is changed to AP3 and assault2, I'd also picture it being reduced to 24", can't comment too much without knowing the strength, but it'll give those filthy marines something to want to hide from
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Retired Space Marine and Necron 40K player. Looking to start Warmahordes in the future.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 11:21:20
Subject: Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Irked Necron Immortal
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I won't lie I have jumped here from page 9 ... so ... I just want the next Necron Codex, to be of the uh, grade, that will want to bring back 2-3 local necron players who have sort of faded from the game, cause all they want to do is play Necrons...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 13:57:14
Subject: Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Judgemental Grey Knight Justicar
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AlexHolker wrote:Marthike wrote:Ok anyway, does anyone know when this new codex is expected to arrive? next few weeks or months or years.
The earliest it can come is in three months - we've already been told what's being released in May (Tomb Kings), June ( DE 2nd wave) and July (Storm of Magic).
Yeah, I guess I will just wait before buying some necrons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 14:19:10
Subject: Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Talarn Blackshard wrote:I won't lie I have jumped here from page 9 ... so ... I just want the next Necron Codex, to be of the uh, grade, that will want to bring back 2-3 local necron players who have sort of faded from the game, cause all they want to do is play Necrons...
Well that sucks to hear about your Necron players failing their WBB.
Ok terribad joke there. I feel for them. I almost stopped playing when the current Chaos dex came out. I just couldnt believe they made a somewhat bad dex, into an even worse dex. But instead I switched armies, and have loved 40k even more since the change. Im looking forward to the Necron dex, Im having fun with the old one of course, but I cant wait to see some life put back into them. Ive always liked the idea of Necrons
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 14:32:23
Subject: Re:Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
The best State-Texas
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Scarey Nerd wrote:Sectiplave wrote:I'm still waiting on Yak leaking us the Wraith stat line and rules ....... please
I'm hoping Wraiths don't change too much, except obviously they either need poisoned weapons or power weapons. And maybe less strength, 6 is a bit much, I'd rather have the few points I'd get in exchange.
I don't think they'd really need Poisoned weapons, they tend to wound on a 2+ most of the time anyway. I think Rending would be right for them. Power Weapons seem a bit to much, with everything else they get.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 16:12:46
Subject: Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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So the army is going from impossible to shoot to heavy bolter fodder? Then again, there will be the FNP equivalent, so its not so bad. But I could possibly see a whole lot more assault cannons/heavy bolters/autocannons/psycannons being used if the army has a base toughness 4 with a 4+ save.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 16:22:08
Subject: Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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To the folks who are saying things like 'heavy bolter fodder' and 'assault cannon fodder' take it from a long-time tyranid player (and newly inducted necron player) -- Cover saves are ubiquitous in 5th ed. Between mobile cover (monolith, rumored other vehicles, scarab swarms) and area terrain, necrons posting up will still get a 4+ followed by a 5+ (4+ w/ upgraded orb) against many of those AP4 shots.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 16:26:06
Subject: Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
california
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tetrisphreak wrote:To the folks who are saying things like 'heavy bolter fodder' and 'assault cannon fodder' take it from a long-time tyranid player (and newly inducted necron player) -- Cover saves are ubiquitous in 5th ed. Between mobile cover (monolith, rumored other vehicles, scarab swarms) and area terrain, necrons posting up will still get a 4+ followed by a 5+ (4+ w/ upgraded orb) against many of those AP4 shots.
take it from an newly started eldar player, one that had these concerns with t3 4+, transports help. you cant be upset with the 4+ AND transports. imho the tranports were added because of the new 4+ save.
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currently run
my eldar at 2000 pts
chaos space marine at 3000+ pts
working on dark eldar aiming for 2k
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 18:13:45
Subject: Re:Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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tetrisphreak wrote:To the folks who are saying things like 'heavy bolter fodder' and 'assault cannon fodder' take it from a long-time tyranid player (and newly inducted necron player) -- Cover saves are ubiquitous in 5th ed. Between mobile cover (monolith, rumored other vehicles, scarab swarms) and area terrain, necrons posting up will still get a 4+ followed by a 5+ (4+ w/ upgraded orb) against many of those AP4 shots.
You are stating that in every game you are going to get same amount of terrain to make a difference in the changes in this codex?????
I have been in tournaments where there was little terrain that just slaughtered armies that NEEDED terrain to win.
When part of your game plan is to majorly rely on the percentage of terrain on any given board.
You are going to lose.
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Adam's Motto: Paint, Create, Play, but above all, have fun. -and for something silly below-
"We are the Ultramodrines, And We Shall Fear No Trolls. bear this USR with pride".
Also, how does one apply to be a member of the Ultramodrines? Are harsh trials involved, ones that would test my faith as a wargamer and resolve as a geek?
You must recite every rule of Dakka Dakka. BACKWARDS.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 18:29:15
Subject: Re:Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
california
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Adam LongWalker wrote:tetrisphreak wrote:To the folks who are saying things like 'heavy bolter fodder' and 'assault cannon fodder' take it from a long-time tyranid player (and newly inducted necron player) -- Cover saves are ubiquitous in 5th ed. Between mobile cover (monolith, rumored other vehicles, scarab swarms) and area terrain, necrons posting up will still get a 4+ followed by a 5+ (4+ w/ upgraded orb) against many of those AP4 shots.
You are stating that in every game you are going to get same amount of terrain to make a difference in the changes in this codex?????
I have been in tournaments where there was little terrain that just slaughtered armies that NEEDED terrain to win.
When part of your game plan is to majorly rely on the percentage of terrain on any given board.
You are going to lose.
exactly why i said that transports are incredibly helpful. if they come at you with assault cannons and heavy bolters, gl using those on a transport
sure its not impossible, but i mean youll lose less units with transports then slugging it.
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currently run
my eldar at 2000 pts
chaos space marine at 3000+ pts
working on dark eldar aiming for 2k
Had a 1k Tau and a 2k Ork and 3k BA. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/08 18:43:45
Subject: Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)
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Freaky Flayed One
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So dark eldar get posioned but we Lose wounding on 6s?
and with glancing at -2 already how is that helping the lowly warrior do anything but suck even more?
Unless guass ends up removing armor saves the same as the scarabs.
Fail to wound but lower the armor to nada.
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