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ShumaGorath wrote:
Yes, I'm sure your immortal demon prince is equivalent to a space marine captain with a power sword. Priced juuuuuuust right. That thing is currently the single most undercosted unit in the game (Vendetta! You've been replaced!). I'm almost dead certain a typo is preventing it from being 215 points.

Unlike a demon prince, she can't take squads all that fast due to 4+ to wound, and she is threatened by ID by a lot of stuff. She's a remarkable nuisance, but 215? No way. Not on a T3 model without EW in this list. DE may have the tricks to make T3 ICs work, I don't think Sisters really do.

As for new codex timing, I think like this:
A the Sisters are one of the early lines, maybe even a 6th ed box launch considering constant rumors of new plastics
B they go to the back of the bus again, behind the major types of rainbow marines, Eldar, and maybe Orks & 'nids.

troy_tempest wrote:I've played Tau intensively since 2009 and I have had to fight tooth and nail in almost every game to get a win or draw.

Played the new SoB rules twice now (using old dex point costs) vs. vanilla marines and guard. The easiest two victories I've ever had.

If people really want to complain about a terrible codex I recommend a few games using Tau or Necrons, especially at low points.

I went 5 and 3 at the NOVA this weekend with tau. I barely lost to Dash of pepper and his shiney new DE... and barely lost to a 5 dread grey knight army.... I beat a death wing army, a khan biker list, battle wagon orks, and two other Grey knights. The tau codex is over costed but has options....

This sisters codex makes me a sad Panda :( I don't think it can perform.... but maybe with some Special character shenanigans.....

Oh yea my third loss was to Simon leen and his DoA... Tau's worst match up

scuddman wrote:Privateer Press's expansion model actually works better here imo because then all armies get treated equally.

Equally poorly. My problem with the Sisters more than anything is that they don't get multipart plastic kits like everyone else, not how many months it is until the next edition is released. And isn't that the position every Privateer Press army is in?

I got the WD today and my verdict is new sisters=CSM 2.0 It has 1 competitive builds that spams a lot of the same units, which can be a competitive army but it's not nearly as much fun as having options. Half the options are tripe, and the other half are golden. Looking at only the good units in the WD dex competitive lists would have.

Saint Celstine, good luck ever stopping her from contesting an objective if sisters go 2nd.
Old man Urias for the reroll on faith checks
3 Exorcists
3 Dominions with 2 melta guns and a Rhino
Total=785ish off the top of my head.
Plenty of points left over for squads of 10 sisters with 2 melta guns in a Rhino, and there might be room to fit 4 squads of them in at 1500 point list if one of the meltas is downgraded to a flamer. The only real option I have not listed is replacing a sisters squad with a henchman squad (DCS + Crusader mix to your taste)

A sisters list with nothing but Saint Celistine, Urias, Exorcists, 2 melta dominions in Rhinos, henchmen, and 2 melta sisters in Rhinos is a competitive all comers army at 1,500-1750. Then again a CSM list with nothing but 2 lash HQs, Plague marines, and Oblits is a competitive all comers army at 1,500-1750. They both work, it just sucks having a codex with 1 competitive build.

schadenfreude wrote:I got the WD today and my verdict is new sisters=CSM 2.0

Just like the Chaos codex release it reminds me of the Lolrus.

AlexHolker wrote:Equally poorly. My problem with the Sisters more than anything is that they don't get multipart plastic kits like everyone else, not how many months it is until the next edition is released. And isn't that the position every Privateer Press army is in?

I'm a little confused here, Alex - PP has been breaking out the plastic/resin/whatever-you-want-to-call-it for certain larger kits (warjacks, both heavy and light, and certain medium-based units, as well as the new two-player starter set), but at no point have they ever said that they intend to produce multi-part plastic infantry. As a company, they prefer working with metal, and I have to say that, bar a couple of kits, I agree with the choice.

SoB, on the other hand, are produced by a company that swims in a sea of plastic - yet their only plastic kit was the Immolater add-on sprue.

Eremiel wrote:Most likely, I'll be buying a second set of WD issues so I can pull it apart and make copies of each page of our "'dex", use a pamphlet punch and put it in booklet form.

Right, because sales catalogues are precious, and must be preserved for the future!

Dysartes wrote:I'm a little confused here, Alex...

It's pretty simple: I do not consider restic or metal an acceptable alternative to multipart plastics. They're more expensive for what's, for my purposes, an inferior product. And PP shouldn't either, given the lower labour per model required is just what they need if they want to scale production to meet demand.

GW is doing it through negligence while PP does it on purpose, but they're still doing the same thing.

Well with part 2 of the WD codex it seems that "Death Pit" may have been called againest Cruddace and that could explain things?

Alex0077 wrote:Well with part 2 of the WD codex it seems that "Death Pit" may have been called againest Cruddace and that could explain things?

I've hated his books since he ruined the game with IG. Guys not a competant codex writer, he makes blatantly unbalanced books with consistent rules issues. The guy created the "rules"
for "skimmers" on large oval bases. Those things still don't work.

Death pit!

Now, if this is a stop gap codex like BA and WoC, maybe when their book comes out they will get plenty of new toys. Look at Imp Guard Vendettas, maybe SoB will get Landraiders or Storm Ravens.

I wish they get some skimmers maybe a floating shrine lol.

most army have one except the sisters I think and tyranids but they are not a mech army lol

Alex0077 wrote:Now, if this is a stop gate codex like BA and WoC, maybe when their book comes out they will get plenty of new toys. Look at Imp Guard Vendettas, maybe SoB will get Landraiders or Storm Ravens.

Stop gate or stop gap?

I could have fun playing this temporary codex, but not with the current models or pricing structure.

Sorry GW, I will not be a crap metal model dumpster for your inventory. I can wait and enjoy my Wolves till then.

"Old man Urias for the reroll on faith checks"

I've been seeing this line (or variation) all over the net.
READ THE RULES
Jacobus does NOT allow you to re-roll your Faith test.
He allows you to reroll the number of Faith Points you get per turn.
A HUGE Difference.

Just spoke with my FLGS guy about the september WD he hasn’t received yet and he qote me his GW distributor in Canada : « We cannot have them anymore there was a printing issue, but don’t worry, the SOB dex will be up in PDF on GW web site in a couple of weeks »

….golf claps!!!!

For those who haven’t spend 10$ yet… save it!!!!

mendrak wrote:Just spoke with my FLGS guy about the september WD he hasn’t received yet and he qote me his GW distributor in Canada : « We cannot have them anymore there was a printing issue, but don’t worry, the SOB dex will be up in PDF on GW web site in a couple of weeks »

….golf claps!!!!

For those who haven’t spend 10$ yet… save it!!!!

Well, I'm sure glad I don't live in Canada near that bad FLGS =). I'd be so pissed if someone said "I can't do anything about it wait a few weeks." I'd laugh in his face, and never step foot in that store again.

Well, I'm sure glad I don't live in Canada near that bad FLGS =)

Dont't shot the messenger tough!

Nah just the store owner dakka dakka dakka dakka.

Well I for one was really hoping for something more...I man I love the Sisters as anyone who has read my blog post cn tell you.. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/284267.page

but come on..no new mini's or modles? nothing on the horizion? Bah!

I was hoping this would let me get back into painting and modding...

Kreedos wrote:Nah just the store owner dakka dakka dakka dakka.

Who was quoting a GW distributor rep. Wow, if that is all it takes for you to boycott a game store I'd hate to see what you did when a restaurant served you the wrong order.

Alex0077 wrote:Now, if this is a stop gap codex like BA and WoC, maybe when their book comes out they will get plenty of new toys. Look at Imp Guard Vendettas, maybe SoB will get Landraiders or Storm Ravens.

There's fluff against Land Raiders, but Storm Ravens could actually be pretty neat. Ability to swap the Hurrican Bolters for Flamestorm Cannons? Strap a Penitent Engine to the back? This sounds good...

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:

Alex0077 wrote:Now, if this is a stop gap codex like BA and WoC, maybe when their book comes out they will get plenty of new toys. Look at Imp Guard Vendettas, maybe SoB will get Landraiders or Storm Ravens.

There's fluff against Land Raiders, but Storm Ravens could actually be pretty neat. Ability to swap the Hurrican Bolters for Flamestorm Cannons? Strap a Penitent Engine to the back? This sounds good...

I would like them to get vendettas personally. All those sexy lc, it would help with their long range AT.

DarkTraveler777 wrote:

Kreedos wrote:Nah just the store owner dakka dakka dakka dakka.

Who was quoting a GW distributor rep. Wow, if that is all it takes for you to boycott a game store I'd hate to see what you did when a restaurant served you the wrong order.

Seeing as it's my main army, yeah I'd be pretty pissed if the FLGS in my area just didn't get it because of an alleged printing problem. If I got the wrong order at a restaurant I would ask them to remake it. I'd tip well, but I'd probably never go to that restaurant again unless the food was something amazing. You should expect a quality of service in a business, they're there to provide a service. If you'd just take the food that you didn't order, not say a word, and just pay for what you didn't order, that says something about you.

So because the store owner, outside of his own control, can't acquire more WD copies, you won't go to his store? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? I'm sure he'd order the guy another WD if he could.

I'd like to see the Repressor get a rework.
AV12,11,10. Stormbolter turret that can be upgraded to a single Hvy Bolter, Hvy Flamer, or MM. Smoke, Searchlight. 3 access ports, each side and the front. 6 firepoints. Assault vehicle (and allowed to be taken by Repentia Squads). Not sure of points cost...maybe on par with a Chimera.

Is my only response to the new WD codex.

Correct me if I am wrong but dont BA Razorbacks get TL heavy flamers for 55 points (tacticals) and are fast without any sort of negatives? Not to mention with 5 marines and a melta for close to 150 points (20 points).

Yep, they just really really liked some of the shiny stuff the Witch Hunters had. So they made their own version of some of it.

*points at Sanguinor and Infernus Pistol*

n0t_u wrote:Yep, they just really really liked some of the shiny stuff the Witch Hunters had. So they made their own version of some of it.

*points at Sanguinor and Infernus Pistol*

"I'm not a space marine, I want to be unique >:T" - random adeptus sororitas.