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 auticus wrote:
Typically fan boys of any game are going to seal-clap for their game's contents over other games irregardless. *shrug* I've seen dozens upon dozens of kings of war players rave about mantic models over GW models for years because they strongly hated GW and loved Kings of War.

The bone-clowns are to me the worst of the aos releases to date. I usually have liked the models for most of the releases that have come down the pipe since 2015. The only reason I bought the warcry stuff was for the models.

The conquest spire models certainly aren't the greatest things evar I'll definitely say that, but I prefer lumpen doodles over bone clowns that look like they crawled out of a He-Man comic with skeletor laughing behind them. Thats just my own preference though. I don't like cartoony comicesque models or games that feature that aesthetic. Same as why I never got into World of Warcraft for the same reasons.


I dunno, They're really doing it for me. I love the look of those models and the Mortarch is probably now my most favorite GW model of all time. I'm happy that these models do not look weak and flimsy compared to the other death armies. I always feel like I'm going to break the nighthaunt models because they're so thin.

But what I really like about these models is the strong Prometheus engineer vibe I am getting from there. I can definitely see the HR Giger influence that is in these models. I've been wanting to get into AoS for a long time because I like the setting a lot more than I do the 40K setting. I've picked up a couple of start collecting sets, but I've never gone further than that because the armies that were available weren't doing anything for me. These are the first models I've seen that really excite me and fit with what I like, so I'm excited!
   
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Been Around the Block




 auticus wrote:
But what I really like about these models is the strong Prometheus engineer vibe I am getting from there. I can definitely see the HR Giger influence that is in these models. I've been wanting to get into AoS for a long time because I like the setting a lot more than I do the 40K setting. I've picked up a couple of start collecting sets, but I've never gone further than that because the armies that were available weren't doing anything for me. These are the first models I've seen that really excite me and fit with what I like, so I'm excited!


Yes! Thats what they were reminding me, I couldn't quite place it. Painted in a similar organic grey colour they could look much better, especially with some small alterations to the heads to make them less cartoony.

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I love these
   
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Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos





I dunno, They're really doing it for me.


Thats awesome. I like the mortarch model actually. I was more turned off by the insectoid and foot troop models.

The horsemen models I'm also meh on.

The catapult model looked cool.

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I think part of the problem with the new Death models and the Conquest line is that bone in miniature form relies heavily on context.

When we see a miniature skeleton, we recognize it's made out of bone because we have a general idea what human bones look like. A ribcage, a skull, a femur - all of those are easily identifiable as, well, bones.

The problems start when we're faced with a bone construct - something that is meant to be made of bone, but doesn't follow the silhouette of what we expect bones to look like. In that aspect, the GW line actually does at least some things right by incorporating shapes that call back to the skull, spinous process and ribcage into the design of the faction.

It's not perfect, but I feel it works better than the Conquest line, where what I presume was meant to be bone looks more like soft tissue tumours.

On the other hand, the addition of layered steel (I think?) plates to the Ossiarch plates was a mistake. I get that they felt a break up in material uniformity was necessary, but the way they did it looks weird. The plates are visually stuck somewhere between armour and being an integral part of the body itself. It's no wonder the Mortarch is the best looking model of the set - he doesn't have any of the plates breaking up his form.

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I like em, both in concept and in miniatures. Four-armed guys are my least favorite as I just keep seeing tyranid warriors when I look at them, but those infantry are really cool.

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I think simply ditching the extra arms and covering up the layered armour will be enough to deal with the 'looks like a Tyranid Warrior' syndrome.



I'm going to have a lot of fun with those.

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 His Master's Voice wrote:

On the other hand, the addition of layered steel (I think?) plates to the Ossiarch plates was a mistake. I get that they felt a break up in material uniformity was necessary, but the way they did it looks weird. The plates are visually stuck somewhere between armour and being an integral part of the body itself. It's no wonder the Mortarch is the best looking model of the set - he doesn't have any of the plates breaking up his form.

I don't think having the plates painted in a strongly contrasting colour is a good idea. I think these models work better if most of the model is of uniform colour.

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Been Around the Block




Completely agree, the weapons need to be done in a similar way to the Marghast ones rather than steel, to limit the spot colours down rather than overload the models to much.
   
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 His Master's Voice wrote:
I think simply ditching the extra arms and covering up the layered armour will be enough to deal with the 'looks like a Tyranid Warrior' syndrome.



I'm going to have a lot of fun with those.


Ah yes, this colour scheme is exactly what I was thinking. However, I like the extra arms, though they're attached weirdly.


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That's a nicer take on it HMV, definitely. That said I'm still not sold on the head

Like NinthMusketeer, I also like our new bony overlords...

The catapult is especially an interesting model to just gawk at because of all the intricate little details, not been so enthused for a fantasy release since the last round of plastic Ogres!

Any bets that the scenery (walls and gate looking thing) in the background of the last tithe video will make an appearance as a fort type bundle for Christmas?
   
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Who else has constructs that look better in a limited palette and faces that most people dislike? Right, SKORNE

No matter what photoshops I've seen so far, I still don't like the basic troopers and riders. Besides their weird heads, their legs look terrible. Sorta like the Revenant Sylvaneth, who look terrible below the knee. They should've gone the whole way and give them pointy crab legs or those stubby bug legs like the catapult sports. As awesome some of the characters are, a faction were the basic troops are so "meh" is a hard sell.

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Does anyone remember Power Rangers villain Rito Revolto?

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That's what these guys remind me of.

I wonder how well they can be proxied with Khemri (thinking Ushabti = 4 arm dudes, for example)
   
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Enigmatic Exalted Daemon





Albany, NY

 His Master's Voice wrote:
I think simply ditching the extra arms and covering up the layered armour will be enough to deal with the 'looks like a Tyranid Warrior' syndrome.
Nice work HMV Particularly as IMO GW did a terrible job on those extra arms - I had the same idea about chopping them off but it didn't go far enough in my head to fix the issue. Your color choice is good too, I think not kneejerking to the Skeleton Bone Contrast is going to be good for these guys, but unfortunately not what people will likely be doing.

As for Conquest's Spires, I'm not here to defend them too hard, more to point out an existing similar line for people who like the Bonereaper concept but feel the Dub missed the mark. Para Bellum took an obviously different route - HMV breaks it down - that doesn't treat the bone as a carapace and more like a raw material for organic-ish armor, but then I think the PB dudes are flesh clones under there, not animated chitin ala Bonebros, nor did PB knock their bleary designs out of the park. Comparing the two as model lines is obviously fraught with peril because GeeDub has more resources than the gods and the best plastic kits in the wargaming market full stop, and PeeBee is obviously new to the scene. I do keep wanting to note that Conquest feels pretty Euro in design (read: Rackham), while whatever influence we all expected to see in the Bonereapers (Feudal Japan, Mongol, Something-Something Asia, Aztek in my case), it's still a Citadel line with the attendant foibles.

People who like the Bonereapers, rock on. It's an interesting take on Super Undead that should be pretty functional with a little hobby TLC and an interesting paint job, and kinda derpy and monotone otherwise. There is absolutely a breaking point for me - especially with Undead, of which there are so so so many lines of in the market - where I feel like you shouldn't have to do that much work on a mini you're paying boutique prices for.

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 Binabik15 wrote:
Who else has constructs that look better in a limited palette and faces that most people dislike? Right, SKORNE
I kept trying not to bring Privateer Press into this for the shear mine of salt involved

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Was that just a color filter applied to the four armed construct?

It looks so much better like that. The head looks a bit different though.

I'm curious how they'd look done up in a silver or ceramic style...

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This all just makes me look.much more.forward to whenever darkoath barbarians get done. GW has good design beats on Chaos mortals, and (for me) not much else. (I do give kudos for beefy blood bowl lizardmen. more.of them too, please!)

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Gosport, UK

I’m not 100% sold on the infantry yet, but the characters, cavalry and Warmachine all look awesome. I really like the biomechanical, Geiger esque look, just not sold on the heads.

However, I think the Mortarch is one of the best models GW have done. Like Xerxes from 300 crossed with the Engineers from Alien/Prometheus, and the composition is really cool, like a painting or a sculpture. Really impressed with him.
   
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 ImAGeek wrote:
I’m not 100% sold on the infantry yet, but the characters, cavalry and Warmachine all look awesome. I really like the biomechanical, Geiger esque look, just not sold on the heads.

On the video you can see some more skull-like heads on the basic infantry too. I think they'll look better with those.

However, I think the Mortarch is one of the best models GW have done. Like Xerxes from 300 crossed with the Engineers from Alien/Prometheus, and the composition is really cool, like a painting or a sculpture. Really impressed with him.

Yep. It is truly amazing piece.

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Gosport, UK

 Crimson wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
I’m not 100% sold on the infantry yet, but the characters, cavalry and Warmachine all look awesome. I really like the biomechanical, Geiger esque look, just not sold on the heads.

On the video you can see some more skull-like heads on the basic infantry too. I think they'll look better with those.

However, I think the Mortarch is one of the best models GW have done. Like Xerxes from 300 crossed with the Engineers from Alien/Prometheus, and the composition is really cool, like a painting or a sculpture. Really impressed with him.

Yep. It is truly amazing piece.


Yeah, hopefully there’s enough of those heads. If not they’re easy to fix anyway. Smoothing over the mouths could work, so they’re blank faces, or just swapping for skulls.
   
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Puppetwars Samurai Reaper heads might be a good replacement if they scale right.

https://puppetswar.eu/models-and-bits-47/all-bits/heads/samurai-reapers-helmets.html
   
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Philadelphia PA

I thought about it and aside from the goofy aesthetics this just doesn't do it for me from a story perspective either:

You have a bunch of immortal human dudes fighting a bunch of immortal bone dudes, with all of them being perfect warriors with hundred of years of fighting experience and *yawn*

There's no stakes because the heroes can be reforged, the villains can be glued back together by Nagash or whatever and none of them have the least relatability.

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Pretty cool skeleton constructs, I like the look of most of them, especially the Mortarch (with crew) and the big elite guys. However, the basic infantry guys... they don't really match the rest with those grins, it's a bit too much comic book villain for my taste.

I get the idea that it shows that they are constructs, that the bone is kinda magically sculpted like clay, but there should be another way to show that. Also, that blue armor is also very comic book - definitely would look better in a more muted color.

My son really likes them though (he's 10), and asked if we could buy some next time we go to the GW store, so...

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Cultist of Nurgle with Open Sores






As the day goes on and the more and more I look at the new skellies, the more I'm turned away from them. Not that I'm complaining as my wallet could really do with a break. Real shame though as I love Death and basically just collect that Grand Alliance.

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British Columbia

It really was a dodged bullet me. I had been considering a Nagash, Morghast project so an elite construct army could have easily snared me. Outside of the Mortarch and Catapult just not a fan. Onwards to Hysh!

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The Mortarch looks good, his attendants are pretty decent.

The rank and file look awful. The three-headed guys look straight out of a World of Warcraft dungeon boss.

I wanted to like them, as I love the theme they're going for with what lore tidbits they've given us, but those models are a Big Yikes.

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I think the Tyranid vibe turns me off a little bit, but I'm actually thinking the Mortarch might be the basis for my new C'Tan Shard of the Nightbringer conversion! I'm also thinking I could make some of those troops work as Flayed Ones. Anxious to see what else is part of this release.

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These new models are PHENOMENAL. I am a huge fan of the style and art direction of the Masters of the Universe (1987) film, especially Frank Langella's portrayal of Skeletor.

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Katakros will make a fine GOD SKELETOR.

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I literally cannot wait to buy and paint the armies of Skeletor to conquer the Mortal Realms. And in glorious tradition of every name ending in '-OR" in Masters of the Universe, my armies shall be the BONEREAPORS... full of Stalkors and Deathridors. I'd also like to point out that the Stalkors are basically a MAN E FACES Skeletor construct.



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 judgedoug wrote:
Katakros will make a fine GOD SKELETOR.


I have no interest in the army, but I had similar Saturday morning flashbacks:



   
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Wow these look sweet. Like Necrons in AOS. Look easy to paint too. I'm going to sell my unbuilt Deepkin and Nighthaunts in October to get these guys.

Just bummed by Seraphon haven't gotten any love other than the Lizardmen BB Team...

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While I don't outright hate these (there are elements, like the mortarch, which I like) it seems GW are attempting to create ever more unique and creative factions for AOS.

Partly, I think to separate it from a more standard setting and partly to stop knock-offs (however unsuccessful this might be).

Unfortunately, this release proves (to me) that unfettered creativity without any reigning in or apparent critique, means that you end up with a messy mix of different elements, some of which appear, ironically, less creative due to their obvious parallels to existing ideas and designs.

Of course this is just my opinion and I know it sounds like I'm passing it off as fact, but I just think it was a missed opportunity. You can have more conventional ideas with real-world counterparts, without it becoming wacky and over the top. A bit of well-placed subtlety can go a long way to adding depth to a setting and it's participants.

And I believe there is a place for that, even in a setting as off the wall as AOS.

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