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sourclams wrote:

Cypher's Sword wrote:to anyone that has the leaked codex, what the hell happened to the assassins. i assume they got nerfed horribly to make room for all the GKs new equipment.

If the assassins are anything, anything like the leaked scandex, then your assumptions are grievously, erroneously, inconceivably wrong.

thank god.

sourclams wrote:

Cypher's Sword wrote:to anyone that has the leaked codex, what the hell happened to the assassins. i assume they got nerfed horribly to make room for all the GKs new equipment.

If the assassins are anything, anything like the leaked scandex, then your assumptions are grievously, erroneously, inconceivably wrong.

Only in the case of the Vindicare, who is now absurd kinds of awesome.

The rest kind of suck now.

ph34r wrote:By the looks of it, vindicare got mega buffed to the point of hitting and penning AV 14 90% of the time, callidus got nerfed, eversor got nerfed, and culexus lost his pariah aura.
Stuuupid.

they were not nerfed, its just that the vindy synergizes with GK extremely wel being able to take out threats to your awesome but expensive gk's,l and the others really don't.

Your silly Vindicare matters not to my Wave Serpents, humans.

Grundz wrote:

ph34r wrote:By the looks of it, vindicare got mega buffed to the point of hitting and penning AV 14 90% of the time, callidus got nerfed, eversor got nerfed, and culexus lost his pariah aura.
Stuuupid.

they were not nerfed, its just that the vindy synergizes with GK extremely wel being able to take out threats to your awesome but expensive gk's,l and the others really don't.

No, it really was that they were nerfed.
Callidus's flamer got nerfed, and she can no longer immediately hide from ranged fire by charging.
Culexus lost his signature aura supposedly.
Eversor points cost went up and he lost infiltrate and did not get buffed to compensate.
Vindicare just got buffed out of control. He'd synergize with any army. What army doesn't need a model that can 1 shot any vehicle in the game reliably?

Fafnir wrote:

sourclams wrote:

Cypher's Sword wrote:to anyone that has the leaked codex, what the hell happened to the assassins. i assume they got nerfed horribly to make room for all the GKs new equipment.

If the assassins are anything, anything like the leaked scandex, then your assumptions are grievously, erroneously, inconceivably wrong.

Only in the case of the Vindicare, who is now absurd kinds of awesome.

The rest kind of suck now.

It's going to be a long walk to your car tonight.




It does appear he got nerfed---no infiltrate anymore---bleh.

Cypher's Sword wrote:to anyone that has the leaked codex, what the hell happened to the assassins. i assume they got nerfed horribly to make room for all the GKs new equipment.

Let's say there's a sniper who hits 92% of the time, and glances Land Raiders on median rolls...


There's a blade of Necron-skin that no longer ignores shields, but kills in an instand ( hint to next codex necrons?)


Another one has potentially 10 S5 I8 Lightning Claw-attacks...

ph34r wrote: What army doesn't need a model that can 1 shot any vehicle in the game reliably?

puma713 wrote:Your silly Vindicare matters not to my Wave Serpents, humans.

ph34r wrote:

Grundz wrote:

ph34r wrote:By the looks of it, vindicare got mega buffed to the point of hitting and penning AV 14 90% of the time, callidus got nerfed, eversor got nerfed, and culexus lost his pariah aura.
Stuuupid.

they were not nerfed, its just that the vindy synergizes with GK extremely wel being able to take out threats to your awesome but expensive gk's,l and the others really don't.

No, it really was that they were nerfed.
Callidus's flamer got nerfed, and she can no longer immediately hide from ranged fire by charging.
Culexus lost his signature aura supposedly.
Eversor points cost went up and he lost infiltrate and did not get buffed to compensate.

I believe you are not basing these claims after the actual codex.
also do not forget about "the grand strategy"

My LGS should have a copy of the new codex in tomorrow or Friday. Hopefully it's like the scandex (which is redonkulous)

This thread is like a trainwreck. I can't stop looking at it no matter how much I try. :(

Grundz wrote:

ph34r wrote:

Grundz wrote:

ph34r wrote:By the looks of it, vindicare got mega buffed to the point of hitting and penning AV 14 90% of the time, callidus got nerfed, eversor got nerfed, and culexus lost his pariah aura.
Stuuupid.

they were not nerfed, its just that the vindy synergizes with GK extremely wel being able to take out threats to your awesome but expensive gk's,l and the others really don't.

No, it really was that they were nerfed.
Callidus's flamer got nerfed, and she can no longer immediately hide from ranged fire by charging.
Culexus lost his signature aura supposedly.
Eversor points cost went up and he lost infiltrate and did not get buffed to compensate.

I believe you are not basing these claims after the actual codex.
also do not forget about "the grand strategy"

We have seen the playtest codex. Unless somehow the assassins got mega buffed since them, they are not good. Except vindicare of course.
Also grand strategy comes on a 200 point model and should not be used as a crutch for assassins. It has better uses.

puma713 wrote:

ph34r wrote: What army doesn't need a model that can 1 shot any vehicle in the game reliably?

puma713 wrote:Your silly Vindicare matters not to my Wave Serpents, humans.

Your silly wave serpents do not concern my 4 shot rending autocannons.
Xeeeennnnos.

ph34r wrote:By the looks of it, vindicare got mega buffed to the point of hitting and penning AV 14 90% of the time, callidus got nerfed, eversor got nerfed, and culexus lost his pariah aura.
Stuuupid.

4d6 averages 14. How does it pen 90% of the time when it's averaging less then 50% penetrations?

AgeOfEgos wrote:

Fafnir wrote:

sourclams wrote:

Cypher's Sword wrote:to anyone that has the leaked codex, what the hell happened to the assassins. i assume they got nerfed horribly to make room for all the GKs new equipment.

If the assassins are anything, anything like the leaked scandex, then your assumptions are grievously, erroneously, inconceivably wrong.

Only in the case of the Vindicare, who is now absurd kinds of awesome.

The rest kind of suck now.

It's going to be a long walk to your car tonight.




It does appear he got nerfed---no infiltrate anymore---bleh.

No kickass 12" charge either.

ph34r wrote:

puma713 wrote:

ph34r wrote: What army doesn't need a model that can 1 shot any vehicle in the game reliably?

puma713 wrote:Your silly Vindicare matters not to my Wave Serpents, humans.

Your silly wave serpents do not concern my 4 shot rending autocannons.
Xeeeennnnos.

Rending does nothing for you. But Str. 7 could pen on a 6!

Grundz wrote:

ph34r wrote:

Grundz wrote:

ph34r wrote:By the looks of it, vindicare got mega buffed to the point of hitting and penning AV 14 90% of the time, callidus got nerfed, eversor got nerfed, and culexus lost his pariah aura.
Stuuupid.

they were not nerfed, its just that the vindy synergizes with GK extremely wel being able to take out threats to your awesome but expensive gk's,l and the others really don't.

No, it really was that they were nerfed.
Callidus's flamer got nerfed, and she can no longer immediately hide from ranged fire by charging.
Culexus lost his signature aura supposedly.
Eversor points cost went up and he lost infiltrate and did not get buffed to compensate.

I believe you are not basing these claims after the actual codex.
also do not forget about "the grand strategy"

WS8 and under 150 points isn't good?

Now that I think about it, I may have to start playing my Eldar more than my Nids when GK hit the shelves. Board-wide Runes of Warding, Wave Serpents giving their AT trouble and speed to match their warp-shunting.

Hmm. . .

Amaya wrote:WS8 and under 150 points isn't good?

They used to cost ~100 points, have better abilities, and who the hell cares about WS8? You hit another 1/6 of the time against enemy uber-characters. Woo.


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puma713 wrote:Rending does nothing for you. But Str. 7 could pen on a 6!

The Psycannon is by far the strongest anti-AV11 and AV12 heavy weapon in the game now. If you aren't concerned about it, that's up to you /shrug


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ShumaGorath wrote:

ph34r wrote:By the looks of it, vindicare got mega buffed to the point of hitting and penning AV 14 90% of the time, callidus got nerfed, eversor got nerfed, and culexus lost his pariah aura.
Stuuupid.

4d6 averages 14. How does it pen 90% of the time when it's averaging less then 50% penetrations?

Probably because it 4d6+3+rending averages 19

ShumaGorath wrote:4d6 averages 14. How does it pen 90% of the time when it's averaging less then 50% penetrations?

It's still a Sniper, so base S3, with Rending on any roll of a 6.


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ph34r wrote:

puma713 wrote:Rending does nothing for you. But Str. 7 could pen on a 6!

The Psycannon is by far the strongest anti-AV11 and AV12 heavy weapon in the game now. If you aren't concerned about it, that's up to you /shrug

He means the Wave Serpent ignores any additional penetration dice, so no Rending rolls for the Psycannons. I guess you could do a Rifleman Dread with Psybolt ammunition for 4 twin-linked S8 shots at 48" range.

There's a side note that vindicare may rend on a 4+

ph34r wrote:

puma713 wrote:Rending does nothing for you. But Str. 7 could pen on a 6!

The Psycannon is by far the strongest anti-AV11 and AV12 heavy weapon in the game now. If you aren't concerned about it, that's up to you /shrug

Hence the reason I brought up Wave Serpents. Rending doesn't affect them (nor Monoliths). So, Str. 7 is about as good as it gets for GK against Eldar and Vindicares are lost on the mech side of the army.

Mantle wrote:There's a side note that vindicare may rend on a 4+

are you serious

Mantle wrote:There's a side note that vindicare may rend on a 4+

Wth, where did that come from?

Mantle wrote:There's a side note that vindicare may rend on a 4+

Uh, is that true?

So the Vindicare is Str. 3 + 4d6---Rending on a 4+? Surely not.

Or this:

Redemption wrote:He means the Wave Serpent ignores any additional penetration dice, so no Rending rolls for the Psycannons. I guess you could do a Rifleman Dread with Psybolt ammunition for 4 twin-linked S8 shots at 48" range.

But we'll see if that becomes a part of the meta. Not a whole lot of people building with Eldar in mind.

Redemption wrote:

Mantle wrote:There's a side note that vindicare may rend on a 4+

Wth, where did that come from?

Yeah just below the vindicare's rules there's a scribbled on 4's allow rending (sniper)

puma713 wrote:

ph34r wrote:

puma713 wrote:Rending does nothing for you. But Str. 7 could pen on a 6!

The Psycannon is by far the strongest anti-AV11 and AV12 heavy weapon in the game now. If you aren't concerned about it, that's up to you /shrug

Hence the reason I brought up Wave Serpents. Rending doesn't affect them (nor Monoliths). So, Str. 7 is about as good as it gets for GK against Eldar and Vindicares are lost on the mech side of the army.

The rending isn't even that huge a deal. A psycannon is 2 autocannons strapped together in my eyes. Autocannons were great anti-waveserpent weapons any way. GK squads can take 2-4 psycannons each.

Probably because it 4d6+3+rending averages 19

Ahh, forgot about the other sniper rifle rules. Ridiculous.

Mantle wrote:

Redemption wrote:

Mantle wrote:There's a side note that vindicare may rend on a 4+

Wth, where did that come from?

Yeah just below the vindicare's rules there's a scribbled on 4's allow rending (sniper)

So does it still have the 4d6 armor penetration from Turbo Breaker? Plus this rend on a 4+? What does the rule say?

Mantle wrote:

Redemption wrote:

Mantle wrote:There's a side note that vindicare may rend on a 4+

Wth, where did that come from?

Yeah just below the vindicare's rules there's a scribbled on 4's allow rending (sniper)

That's not a 4, that's a 6. Blow it up on your .PDF and there is a distinct loop.