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Nurglitch wrote:Wow, that Dreadknight looks like it could jump an entire flock of sharks.

DON'T BE CRAZY ONLY FONZIE CAN DO THAT
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440211a&prodId=prod1130387

You tell em Fonzie

Not really feeling anything for the new models. PAGKs feel off - I know everyone's saying it's something about the heads, but in all honesty, I think it's the legs... they look rather weedy, and make the models feel kind of top-heavy. Termies look great and have tons of options, but the DreadKnight looks absolutely awful. Kind of a cool idea, terrible execution.

I'll wait to see what the rules are like, but if the models are any indication, I might just go ahead and sell off the old metal models I've got and use the money to get some Fantasy stuff instead.

motorhead1945 wrote:Instead of a pilot, add a Robot head Warlord-Titan-style. Problem solved....

I can't stop thinking bout' sigourney weaver now...

Found it: Counts-as-you-know-what:


Fun-fact: German transl. for Dreadknight: Nemesis-Ritter



Plastic => flat armour plates => non-epic => GK fail... old metals look soo much better... guess this was expected.

Teleport arrays on PAGKs - The FU? Looks incredibly crappy, imho. I expected something the size of Assault Marines Jump-Packs. Not 2... radio antennas.

Side-ammo-clips on Stormbolters... no... just no... first thing to cut off...

Kaldor Draigo: HOLY CRAP! Kick's Lysanders' Ass in terms of coolness + goatie... Pose sucks though...

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:My problem with the Dreadknight have not to do with rules or fluffy, the ideia of GK champions with equipment/powers that make them MC is very nice. Those guys are supposed to face daemons, the big, ugly daemons...

My problem with dreadknight is that ugly model. Said that, if i ever use a GK army, it will probably have some Angelic knight, floating on the air in a great terminator army, and BIG weapons...

PS: tecnically, the new codex is called Grey Knights, so it dont replace daemon hunters and witch hunters. SO allies keeps in... (well, we know GW will say something about it in future)

Yes, it does replace Daemonhunters and Witchhunters. Try to pull that crap around here, you'd likely get asked to leave and never return.(

That "crap" was a joke. But let me ask: do you really gona deny another player from use a nicely converted/kitbashed Inquisitor in his IG army? Or those old GKs he like so much as "Fast Attack"?

Yep.
You know why?

Because the kinds of people who I've seen voer the years using GKs/Inquisitors "in their IG army" are doing it to be powergaming twerps.

You want to field an Inquisitor in your Guard army? Fine. Use the Heroic Senior Officer entry.

He wants to field Grey Knights? Then play a Grey Knight army, or I suggest they get off their arse and actually get involved next time I run a two month long campaign arc using the Eye of Terror framework and having Grey Knights available as a purchasable option.

Balance wrote:Where's the grounds that Grey Knights replaces Witch Hunters?

Where's the grounds that it doesn't?

People never used Witchhunters outside of Melta/Flamer spam(from what I saw at least) anyways. Fielding a pure Sister force is fine--but let's knock this "But my Inquisitor neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeds his Guardsmen!" crap out.

ColdSadHungry wrote:
But in the current codex, NFW only count as power weapons in the hands of TAGK upwards. If a regular PAGK has one, it's not a power weapon. Could be the same in the new codex?

Besides any deduction, Force Weapons are power weapons simply by default. I don't imagine they'd remove that core rule of Force Weapons. But, then again, Mat Ward did write the codex and he has artistic license to do just about anything he wants.

I can't wait till he writes the Tau codex. Give me Ionic Ion Cannons, my Ionic Missiles and my Ionic Ion Engines to go on my Ionfish.

Nurglitch wrote:Wow, that Dreadknight looks like it could jump an entire flock of sharks.

Sharks flock?

This model would be so amazing if it wasn't for the fething baby holder space marine pouch.

Breotan wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:Wow, that Dreadknight looks like it could jump an entire flock of sharks.

Sharks flock?

I believe the correct term would be a shiver of sharks.

puma713 wrote:

Breotan wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:Wow, that Dreadknight looks like it could jump an entire flock of sharks.

Sharks flock?

I believe the correct term would be a shiver of sharks.

Shiver me tibers? True origin perhaps?

Cypher's Sword wrote:

puma713 wrote:

Breotan wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:Wow, that Dreadknight looks like it could jump an entire flock of sharks.

Sharks flock?

I believe the correct term would be a shiver of sharks.

Shiver me tibers? True origin perhaps?

No, I believe that came from the shaking of the wooden planks when a ship would rise and crash down on the waves, catching sailors off-guard. Then, it because of it's meaning, it translated to an expression of fear or surprise. "Well shiver my timbers!"

Anyway - moar Mat Wards hate please kthxbai!!!!111one111!!1

To all the people who are crying cheese already...add up some points and see how little you get. 10 PAGK with two psycannons, halberds, and a Rhino is 310 points. This is assuming that none of the other stuff is taken and the points stay the same. I'm going off of the leaked codex here btw. Add in the special ammunition and some nemesis ward staves and the unit is coming close to 400 points. The 2++ is close combat only. The psycannons are good only if the don't move. The Squad wants to be in CC though.

So take 2 of these and any HQ. All but one HQ choice is in Terminator armor btw. They are clocking in close to 200 a piece with the warding staves. So lets say 800 points right there. Now, the HQ is alone and cold and needs termies. A basic Termie squad is 200. With goodies they could easily reach 300. A Paladin squad is even worse. How do these termies make it to CC? A Storm Raven is another 200. So if you reasonably kit this out that's about 1250 for:

1 Nasty HQ
5 Termies
1 Storm Raven
2 Rhinos of 10 PAGK

Not too scary IMO. Shoot down the Raven and Rhinos and that's one slow list. There really isn't lots of shooting there either to soften the opponent up or crack transports. Now, I'm sure that if Razors are allowed that 6 man Razor Spam will come into play, but again, it's not cheap. 190 Points gets you 6 basic PAGK in a Razor with a weapon upgrade. Now those PAGK aren't very CC scary and are definitely not much (12 storm bolter shots) in the shooting department.

I think Dread Knights have potential to be powerful, but I'll hold off until I see the 2+/4++ confirmed. These would only really scare me with teleporters and that would make them 200 each and have no shooting. Just tarpit them.

Overall, the stuff seems crazy good by itself, but when you actually look at the combos it seems slightly less bad. Make your worst 1500 point list and then judge. You might be surprised. On a side note, my Daemons aren't incredibly happy but I still don't think all is lost for them.

Finally, to the guy who is complaining about his army getting better....go pick up Necrons, Eldar, Sisters, or Tau if you want to play something underpowered. No need to constantly prove yourself and play the underpowered martyr of 40k.

Some sharks school, like other fish (school sharks being the main ones).
They don't flock, though.

The Aussie beach call of "Shaaaaark!" is just an economy of language. Why use two words where one will do.

"Sh*t" and "f*ark" (crow noise).



The new plastics are nice, but detail wise, they still don't stand up to the metals, imo (based on the pictures).

JGrand wrote:To all the people who are crying cheese already...add up some points and see how little you get. 10 PAGK with two psycannons, halberds, and a Rhino is 310 points. This is assuming that none of the other stuff is taken and the points stay the same. I'm going off of the leaked codex here btw. Add in the special ammunition and some nemesis ward staves and the unit is coming close to 400 points. The 2++ is close combat only. The psycannons are good only if the don't move. The Squad wants to be in CC though.

So take 2 of these and any HQ. All but one HQ choice is in Terminator armor btw. They are clocking in close to 200 a piece with the warding staves. So lets say 800 points right there. Now, the HQ is alone and cold and needs termies. A basic Termie squad is 200. With goodies they could easily reach 300. A Paladin squad is even worse. How do these termies make it to CC? A Storm Raven is another 200. So if you reasonably kit this out that's about 1250 for:

1 Nasty HQ
5 Termies
1 Storm Raven
2 Rhinos of 10 PAGK

Not too scary IMO. Shoot down the Raven and Rhinos and that's one slow list. There really isn't lots of shooting there either to soften the opponent up or crack transports. Now, I'm sure that if Razors are allowed that 6 man Razor Spam will come into play, but again, it's not cheap. 190 Points gets you 6 basic PAGK in a Razor with a weapon upgrade. Now those PAGK aren't very CC scary and are definitely not much (12 storm bolter shots) in the shooting department.

I think Dread Knights have potential to be powerful, but I'll hold off until I see the 2+/4++ confirmed. These would only really scare me with teleporters and that would make them 200 each and have no shooting. Just tarpit them.

Overall, the stuff seems crazy good by itself, but when you actually look at the combos it seems slightly less bad. Make your worst 1500 point list and then judge. You might be surprised. On a side note, my Daemons aren't incredibly happy but I still don't think all is lost for them.

Finally, to the guy who is complaining about his army getting better....go pick up Necrons, Eldar, Sisters, or Tau if you want to play something underpowered. No need to constantly prove yourself and play the underpowered martyr of 40k.

I agree, once again, few numbers but heavy hitters, drop enough hammerheads and pick them off, stormraven is a big target.

I'm still trying to figure out why they gave the Dreadknight a meat tenderizer.

You know what... I love the Deadknight... Can't wait to make a knight titan out of it...

Breotan wrote:I'm still trying to figure out why they gave the Dreadknight a meat tenderizer.

So he can make Gargantuan Squigoth steak

I like the new models, I think they leak badass everywhere. The only issue I have is with the powered armoured grey knights, they look a little silly to be honest.
Someone with a "spontaneously acquired" codex, can you tell me if the dreadknight is as epic on paper as it looks?

JGrand wrote:To all the people who are crying cheese already...add up some points and see how little you get. 10 PAGK with two psycannons, halberds, and a Rhino is 310 points. This is assuming that none of the other stuff is taken and the points stay the same. I'm going off of the leaked codex here btw. Add in the special ammunition and some nemesis ward staves and the unit is coming close to 400 points. The 2++ is close combat only. The psycannons are good only if the don't move. The Squad wants to be in CC though.

So take 2 of these and any HQ. All but one HQ choice is in Terminator armor btw. They are clocking in close to 200 a piece with the warding staves. So lets say 800 points right there. Now, the HQ is alone and cold and needs termies. A basic Termie squad is 200. With goodies they could easily reach 300. A Paladin squad is even worse. How do these termies make it to CC? A Storm Raven is another 200. So if you reasonably kit this out that's about 1250 for:

1 Nasty HQ
5 Termies
1 Storm Raven
2 Rhinos of 10 PAGK

Dang...you just described my thousand sons army at 1250.

only it's 9 guys per unit and a Land Raider instead of a Storm Raven.

Kanluwen wrote:

Balance wrote:Where's the grounds that Grey Knights replaces Witch Hunters?

Where's the grounds that it doesn't?

People never used Witchhunters outside of Melta/Flamer spam(from what I saw at least) anyways. Fielding a pure Sister force is fine--but let's knock this "But my Inquisitor neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeds his Guardsmen!" crap out.

Exactly! Just like "Where's the grounds that it doesn't replace codex: Tyranids?"

Sometimes I just don't know, Kan. Try harder.

InventionThirteen wrote:I like the new models, I think they leak badass everywhere. The only issue I have is with the powered armoured grey knights, they look a little silly to be honest.
Someone with a "spontaneously acquired" codex, can you tell me if the dreadknight is as epic on paper as it looks?

Better then a trygon in close combat while being cheaper and smaller. It can deep strike via teleport but its an expensive upgrade. It can also have some pretty heavy gun armaments but that drives the price up even higher. Barebones and built for close combat its ridiculously cost effective.

Wow this has exploded since this morning. haha
I don't know if it has been mentioned but in the purifier squad on the pic of the full force has anyone noticed the guy with the cape, possibly a brotherhood champion model yet to be seen?

I think someone at GW just liked the look of the penitent engine and wanted something like it for GK, even though the penitent engine has a hertic stuck to the front against his will and the Dreadknight has a willing GK on its chest mounted stroller.

ShumaGorath wrote:This model would be so amazing if it wasn't for the fething baby holder space marine pouch.

I thought of this when I saw the Dreadknight:

http://unaccomplishedangler.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/MiniMe.jpg

Cypher's Sword wrote:I think someone at GW just liked the look of the penitent engine and wanted something like it for GK, even though the penitent engine has a hertic stuck to the front against his will and the Dreadknight has a willing GK on its chest mounted stroller.

That is probably the truth of it. That was a pretty serious post, I might add...that is until I read "stroller" at the end. You just couldn't resist could you?

to anyone that has the leaked codex, what the hell happened to the assassins. i assume they got nerfed horribly to make room for all the GKs new equipment.

Cypher's Sword wrote:to anyone that has the leaked codex, what the hell happened to the assassins. i assume they got nerfed horribly to make room for all the GKs new equipment.

if you want relevent conversation about gk's and not to be washed away in a flood of tears and stupid transformers jokes you have come to the wrong forums.

assassins are still pretty awesome btw

I quite like the assassins in this but there's no sign of 1-3 and they are expensive.

ph34r wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Balance wrote:Where's the grounds that Grey Knights replaces Witch Hunters?

Where's the grounds that it doesn't?

People never used Witchhunters outside of Melta/Flamer spam(from what I saw at least) anyways. Fielding a pure Sister force is fine--but let's knock this "But my Inquisitor neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeds his Guardsmen!" crap out.

Exactly! Just like "Where's the grounds that it doesn't replace codex: Tyranids?"

Sometimes I just don't know, Kan. Try harder.

Why would it replace witch hunters?

SoB=/=GKs.

Unless GKs are really crons, then I guess the crons own everyone now, right .

Cypher's Sword wrote:to anyone that has the leaked codex, what the hell happened to the assassins. i assume they got nerfed horribly to make room for all the GKs new equipment.

If the assassins are anything, anything like the leaked scandex, then your assumptions are grievously, erroneously, inconceivably wrong.

By the looks of it, vindicare got mega buffed to the point of hitting and penning AV 14 90% of the time, callidus got nerfed, eversor got nerfed, and culexus lost his pariah aura.
Stuuupid.