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CURNOW wrote:@thunderfrog
i agree with you ,but mike has said that all the extra figures will come with stat cards for use in the game .

Well poop.

Still, I won't play extra for what I think should be included with the Biohazard level.

Ok, ok, enough going around at each other for a thread that's been cool for so long.

A good question I didn't think about but thanks to Thunderfrog for bringing it up-

Does anyone know if the extra characters actually come with a card to make them playable in the base game? As far as i know, Zombiecide's did, and I think that would definitely be a huge mark in their favor.

(Edit: CURNOW beat me to the Submit button )

I especially like the Isaac Clarke figure all the more if he's playable, as he really meshes into the game story, even if the Dead Space link wasn't there. But his "Mcguyver Engineer surviving the takeover" story is one that I always like when it shows up in Sci-fi stories.

I don't see it as nickel & diming personally. I see it as things that got added because they didn't think they'd hit this level. The additional models are neat addition but not required for the base game.

I do feel a bit like some posters feel entitled to free stuff just for what is basically pre-ordering. And not just free stuff, but tons and tons of free stuff. You're already getting nearly 1.5 boxes worth of mini's in 1. Isn't that enough?

AegisGrimm wrote:

Does anyone know if the extra characters actually come with a card to make them playable in the base game? As far as i know, Zombiecide's did, and I think that would definitely be a huge mark in their favor.

(Edit: CURNOW beat me to the Submit button )

I especially like the Isaac Clarke figure all the more if he's playable, as he really meshes into the game story, even if the Dead Space link wasn't there. But his "Mcguyver Engineer surviving the takeover" story is one that I always like when it shows up in Sci-fi stories.

Yes - all the extra and promotion pieces will have their own card and be playable in the game. With Niven Banks he will be a part of the ongoing universe, but this is the only time he's be dressed in that pressure suit.

Sorry I haven't been on this thread much lately - it's just hard to find the time at the moment...

mike

Hulksmash wrote:I don't see it as nickel & diming personally. I see it as things that got added because they didn't think they'd hit this level. The additional models are neat addition but not required for the base game.

I do feel a bit like some posters feel entitled to free stuff just for what is basically pre-ordering. And not just free stuff, but tons and tons of free stuff. You're already getting nearly 1.5 boxes worth of mini's in 1. Isn't that enough?

I agree, it's getting a bit hard to justify getting more free stuff already!


Now that doesnt mean I dont want more free stuff......

Hulksmash wrote:I don't see it as nickel & diming personally. I see it as things that got added because they didn't think they'd hit this level. The additional models are neat addition but not required for the base game.

I do feel a bit like some posters feel entitled to free stuff just for what is basically pre-ordering. And not just free stuff, but tons and tons of free stuff. You're already getting nearly 1.5 boxes worth of mini's in 1. Isn't that enough?

Have to agree with the above, and also mention not to mention all the other non-mini upgrades too.

And on the optional stuff, the fact that even those get upgraded eventually makes them more than worth it as well!

I have a question though, I have been incrementally upping my commitment whenever I want to elect for some of the options... I just want to confirm, you have to specify what you want after the fact right? You leave your selected package at biohazard, then you state I want Ridley, The camo guys etc etc after the fact?

Just want to make sure I am ordering right, it sure would be nice if there was a secondary 'extras' list to click on and get concrete totals though.

Looks like we'll hit 330k today, wonder what's next! Go-go plastic tiles, sedition wars 'paperclip' and more sculpts Mike!

@Majortom11

You've got it right. You just select the standard level and then put in the pledge amount. The survey at the end asks how you want that extra money used (i.e. additional $60 could be Ridley, Nevin, Dice, Vanguard Light Pack or it could be Lightsout & Ridley).

I just put up for $210 so that my wife doesn't keep getting emails daily stating $160+ dollars have been pledged and think we're being charged multiple times

lol I gotcha... I'm basically taking everything so far... this is a great, great deal when you break it down, and I will be very happy to see Mike succeed with this!

@Majortom11

I hear that. I've put enough in for both characters, lightsout, terrain, and an extra set of dice. Though I'm currently torn between the $60 for the dice & lights our and the $90 for an entire extra set....

It can get a bit pricey, but every time I say maybe I should hold out some bonus is added to the extra cost, making it worth it again.

Let's face it, no one NEEDS glow in the dark or clear models, they aren't forcing anything on us, nor is it in any way neccesary to gameplay... it's just a nice option for those interested, nothing more, nothing less.

I just don't think people should be upset 'Arrg! He is giving me choices for cool stuff that doesn't detract in any way shape or form from the tons of extra stuff I already got or effect my ability to play the game! How COULD they!???'

I mean.... c'mon lol.

On the other hand, if my budget was tight, it could be frustrating if I wanted these things but couldn't afford them. When it is all just bonus extras, then you can sit back and enjoy. If you need to pay and can't, ok, that's frustrating. Still, while it is understandable to be frustrated by circumstance, I don't see how it reflects badly on the project catering to people willing to spend more and who can either... It's not a cash grab, just good business.

Bearing all that in mind, it's best just to remain supportive and excited for the incoming bonuses I am sure will be free and to the benefit of all, and to accept there might be be a options you can't get if you are younger or on a tight budget.

Hulksmash wrote:I do feel a bit like some posters feel entitled to free stuff just for what is basically pre-ordering. And not just free stuff, but tons and tons of free stuff. You're already getting nearly 1.5 boxes worth of mini's in 1. Isn't that enough?

Of course what comes in the $80 or $100 deal is enough. If I didn't like what was being offered for that price then I would not have pledged.

I think you misread the criticism about the stretch goals as entitlement though.
While I think any new stretch goal is great to promote it, I also feel if one has an opinion as to where they would like to see stretch goals go they should speak up or forever hold their peace if the stretch goals are not something that they think is beneficial.

While I am not a fan of pledging to the project in order unlock an option for that option to only be to buy more stuff, I think options that benefit everyone in the project like single sided maps or more online scenario content, etc. are better promotional incentives. Especially if they can be accomplished with minimal resources devoted to them for maximum profit. We all want free stuff. And we all want it yesterday. But I am sure the majority of us are reasonable enough sorts to not expect every last thing to be free. hence why I think you are mistaken when using such labels as entitlement.

My only wish is that the terrain could be released with the game itself if at all possible.

I completely understand how this might not be made a reality as there is considerable sculpting to be done for those items (is there even anything sculpted yet? I think it is all just sketches right now and not even all of them have been sketched or at least shown), so I am not hazing this KS project as a fail if such a request cannot be met.

I just fail to see the incentive to buy the very nice terrain now if I have to wait so long after release to get them. Taking away the majority of the tokens and replacing them with the terrain is genius. I hope to taste that genius before I potentially lose interest in the game. I may not like the game after I receive it (which can easily happen in games where you buy them with only a minimal amount of info i.e. no rulebook). My opinion of the game might be vastly improved with more thematic elements present to suspend my disbelief.

Generally I don´t have problems with discussing things. Where I start to get angry is when people say things are compulsory when they are clearly not and are getting personal, etc.

But what really causes me to get snappish is when I see people commenting that they will get stuff at rates that normally only LGS get when they buy such stuff. I do know people that do such deals and I am clearly no friend of them cause in the end they hurt everyone with this attitude. If they also show an attitude that says: "I am entiteld to all I want or else the other side is the bad guy" then I am normally hitting the ignore-button. Also: Posting that people on Dakkadakka are not capable of knowing good rules and that only folks on BGG do in another thread really does not help and causes me to be harsher than usual.

@SW
Thanks to heavens the $ > € rate is in my favor or else my wife would kill me .

Hellfury wrote:

I just fail to see the incentive to buy the very nice terrain now if I have to wait so long after release to get them. .

Helps getting the higher stretch goals

Though yes I highly doubt they'll be off by $30. But it does add up. Even if 50 people thought that way thats $1500 not going towards the stretches just because they would rather save $5 or so.

But I suppose that money is money, I know several people that could use $5 or so right now as opposed to pre ordering a product not coming out in a year. Especially in these uncertain times. Even I'm quite guilty of waiting for savings than here and now

@Duncan Idaho -
The form in general does not need to know who is on your ignore list, and it is rude to say so... I will be editing that out.

@Hellfury -
My above comments were not directed at you or anyone in particular, in fact, you have made what in my view may be one of the biggest contributions to Sedition Wars by pointing out that people could help promote it on Boardgame Geek, so I certainly never thought you or your position were unsupportive and or entitled.

We all have diff opinions guys, and that is perfectly ok. My long message a post or two back doesn't make me 'right' or 'wrong', it is just my view on the matter is all.

Now, let's all get along!

kenshin620 wrote:But I suppose that money is money.

I think you misunderstand me again. it's not about the money. it about spending money on a product that I may find I do not enjoy only to find 4 months after I get the game that I now possess another part for a game I could potentially dislike.

MajorTom11 wrote:@Duncan Idaho -
The form in general does not need to know who is on your ignore list, and it is rude to say so... I will be editing that out.

Agreed, I find people who inform others of their ignoring are just trying to rile up the other side

Hellfury wrote:I think you misunderstand me again. it's not about the money. it about spending money on a product that I may find I do not enjoy only to find 4 months after I get the game that I now possess another part for a game I could potentially dislike.

Ah thats also true I suppose. I always keep forgetting that line of thinking, which is why I have so many useless products in my house

Nope, just being honest with them, else they write and write and wonder why the other never responds, which could be seen as even more rude.

Duncan_Idaho wrote:Nope, just being honest with them, else they write and write and wonder why the other never responds, which could be seen as even more rude.

Tis true! Letting someone know they have offended you enough that you now wish to ignore them is a very polite way of avoiding a flame war, and making a solid statement....this is how I have used the ignore function in the past and see nothing wrong with it.......am I on that list?!?

On topic. I was just about to leap in and get this, but found out that the "gaming group" I frequent just isn't into it.......god I hate being such a slave to the whim of others, but what do you do when the only people you'd use it with don't want to play......it's one of the big detractors of wargaming in general I find.

What are others doing? Buy now and hope to find a gaming partner later or is everyone more or less convinced this won't be an issue?

I'm buying now because I really want to paint those models, it looks like a cool game and I want to support someone whose work I've followed avidly for years. I strongly suspect that I won't actually play it other than as single player unless I suddenly start going to a local gaming group

Yes. I'm buying now because I believe.

yeah i dont have anyone to play ,but getting it anyway

CURNOW wrote:yeah i dont have anyone to play ,but getting it anyway

We salute thee!

Seriously, same situation here really.

BrookM wrote:Yes. I'm buying now because I believe.

That made me burst out laughing at work.


I upped my pledge to 150, but may lower it or readjust to see what bonuses I want. I may just wait on a terrain pack for something I can get more now.

CURNOW wrote:yeah i dont have anyone to play ,but getting it anyway

No worries. I think you missed the fine print on the game that says:

"Purchaser of this game shall find themselves with more friends than they could ever hope to shake off of them and more persons of sexual interest than they could ever satisfy. Signed: Mike McVey"

So you got 'em waiting for you at the end of the KS tunnel.

Doesn't matter if your friends don't buy it .. if you do, you'll have everything you need for them to play too.. so, get them to play with your copy, they like it and then want their own, and you can brag about how you got it through the kickstarter and got all the extra stuff that they didn't.

Hellfury wrote:

CURNOW wrote:yeah i dont have anyone to play ,but getting it anyway

No worries. I think you missed the fine print on the game that says:

"Purchaser of this game shall find themselves with more friends than they could ever hope to shake off of them and more persons of sexual interest than they could ever satisfy. Signed: Mike McVey"

So you got 'em waiting for you at the end of the KS tunnel.

woohooo i'll have to remember to wash all the paint off my hands from my furious strain painting if theres going to be a chance of boobies

BrookM wrote:

CURNOW wrote:yeah i dont have anyone to play ,but getting it anyway

We salute thee!

Seriously, same situation here really.

You think you have it bad???? I've been stuck in Saudi Arabia for 3 years now where I've amassed a huge Ork Army, Painted up a full set of SDE, Dust Tactics, and I've not played a game since I've been here! I suspect the local Muttawa (Religous Police) would quickly string me up if they read some of the games background.......

As for SW, I'm in at Biiohazzard, Terrain, Dice, Ridley. The Glowy and transucent models and the new one don't float my boat, so there not for me. My ultimate wish list is some 3D plastic corridor and room terrain.

endtransmission wrote:I'm buying now because I really want to paint those models, it looks like a cool game and I want to support someone whose work I've followed avidly for years. I strongly suspect that I won't actually play it other than as single player unless I suddenly start going to a local gaming group

I know why you're trying to convince me to buy......Shame on you!!

Hey, I'm not trying to convince you to buy it... just because I already own your other Sedition Wars models

TheSecretSquig wrote:My ultimate wish list is some 3D plastic corridor and room terrain.

1,000 times this. There are tons of games (not the least of which is SW) that I'd be interested in using some nice plastic space terrain for, and, so far, it's all been too generic or too expensive...