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MrDrumMachine wrote:Why not just reduce the save by 1? Although rough on terminators it's not devastating, and it would make them very tough on other assault troops.

I assume this was in reply to the Chain-axe question? I am of the school of thought that creating exceptions and special rules just for the sake of, well, exceptions and special rules is bad design. If an existing rule or mechanism can do the work, why not use it?

I guess rending would suffice for zerkers, but since we're just talking about rules that we would like to see I thought that would be an adequate compromise to the original chain axe rule and the current lack of interesting abilities in the book.

To expand on my earlier thought of noise marine combined frequency I was thinking heavy 1 ordenance range: 24' str:* ap:2 where * = number of models with sonic weaponry. Not too overpowered (i think?) but interesting and fun.

jp400 wrote:

Jacksonhighlander wrote:Always thought it'd be cool to see chaos beable to corrupt IG and use some of their stuff. Kinda like how Inquisition can have allies with other imperial forces.

LATD.......

Word. use the opportunity to get freaky with chaos and not just codex angry marines.

Its been said before but I would simply LOVE to see the next CSM dex include Legion rules, Daemons, and LATD all rolled into once fluffy dex thats oozes flavor.

jp400 wrote:Its been said before but I would simply LOVE to see the next CSM dex include Legion rules, Daemons, and LATD all rolled into once fluffy dex thats oozes flavor.

If this codex is released,I may never complain about anything GW does ever again...maybe.

FITZZ wrote:

jp400 wrote:Its been said before but I would simply LOVE to see the next CSM dex include Legion rules, Daemons, and LATD all rolled into once fluffy dex thats oozes flavor.

If this codex is released,I may never complain about anything GW does ever again...maybe.

It better have "WE ARE LEGION!" in big letters on the front and it will be awesome.

Lord-Loss wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

jp400 wrote:Its been said before but I would simply LOVE to see the next CSM dex include Legion rules, Daemons, and LATD all rolled into once fluffy dex thats oozes flavor.

If this codex is released,I may never complain about anything GW does ever again...maybe.

It better have "WE ARE LEGION!" in big letters on the front and it will be awesome.

That would kick major arse.

Lord-Loss wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

jp400 wrote:Its been said before but I would simply LOVE to see the next CSM dex include Legion rules, Daemons, and LATD all rolled into once fluffy dex thats oozes flavor.

If this codex is released,I may never complain about anything GW does ever again...maybe.

It better have "WE ARE LEGION!" in big letters on the front and come with a signed apology for the previous CSM codex,then.. it will be awesome.

Fixed your post
Seriously,A CSM codex that included Legion rules(including Legion vehicles),Daemons that arn't bland, boring, generic, shadows of their former selves AND LATD, would possiably be THE perfect CSM codex,now if we could only find a way of convincing GW of this.

Screw an apology!

I think all the CSM players of Dakka should get five minutes each with a tied up Jervis in a sound proof room *Cracks Knuckes*

Five?

I know how to waterboard! lol

Give me 30 seconds!

In our rules, Heavy Close Combat Weapons (like Chainaxes) are a -1 to the armour save. They affect everyone, rather than that bizare and arbitrary 4+ nonsense that we got form the original Choppas.

Hmm,
Id be happy with -1 across the board.

Does anyone else think that it would be flipping awesome if the Noise Marine Blastmaster's high power frequency drew a straight line and anything in its path took a hit? Maybe 24" inches or something, but dang, that would be seriously sweet.

I can even imagine what it would look like. Awesome.

To expand on my earlier thought of noise marine combined frequency I was thinking heavy 1 ordenance range: 24' str:* ap:2 where * = number of models with sonic weaponry. Not too overpowered (i think?) but interesting and fun.

I'd suggest 24'', S *, AP D6 or D3.


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Does anyone else think that it would be flipping awesome if the Noise Marine Blastmaster's high power frequency drew a straight line and anything in its path took a hit? Maybe 24" inches or something, but dang, that would be seriously sweet.

Better 48''.
Any unit in the path gets D6 hits of strength D6 (or D3) incl. a pinning test.

Real CHOAS Marines not 'Renegade' Marines.

i.e Legions

Land Raider dedicated transports for Zerkers imo

grimz wrote:Land Raider dedicated transports for Zerkers imo

I guess that this will not happen.
Termies can get those transports but not Berzerkers.
One option would be Drop Pods played according to FW rules as said above.

Master Llyons wrote:Real CHOAS Marines not 'Renegade' Marines.

i.e Legions

CHOAD Marines!

I just had an Idea, upon the relase of Codex: CSM Legions they should release four megaboxs.

One for Khorne, One for Slaanesh, One for Nurgle and One for Tzeench.

H.B.M.C. wrote:In our rules, Heavy Close Combat Weapons (like Chainaxes) are a -1 to the armour save. They affect everyone, rather than that bizare and arbitrary 4+ nonsense that we got form the original Choppas.

It might have been a bizzare rule when they introduced it with the 3rd edition choppas, but the look on a marineplayer's face when you tell him his terminators only have a 4+ save was priceless


To be honest, at this point I could live with a CSM book without Demons (they're the ones who got the short end of the stick anyway), but I'd like to see the Legions done right. I said it before, the "every unit has to get a mark"-rule in 3.5 was complicated, but at least every unit got the same out of it. Now I have Plague Marines and not-really-plague marines, which is just stupid.
Is it too much to ask that every CSM unit can get certain marks and then come with the appropriate gear and rules?

btw. what do you guys think about "uncharacteristic" combinations like bikes of Nurgle and devastators of Khorne. Should they be possible?

*stares at his 2nd Edition Chaos Codex*

*cries*

If only they "5th-ized" that book, my life would be complete.

They could always just give everything Fleet or Scout. Ya know, just cuz.

Anung Un Rama wrote:

btw. what do you guys think about "uncharacteristic" combinations like bikes of Nurgle and devastators of Khorne. Should they be possible?

I'm of the train of thought that if you play a particular legion,you play with that legions handicaps as well as it's benifits,if you start playing Khorne armies with loads of devastators and such, then you might as well just be playing lash/PM/oblit.
To me part of a Legions draw is it's flavor and character,so for myself,I'd avoid "uncharateristic" builds.

C'mon kids - you're all so vocal about changing the Chaos Codex here, so why do I feel like a lone voice in the wilderness here.

Past threads on this topic has shown me that there are quite a lot of people who agree with me about the Chaos Codex, and very few people - usually John, Nurgy, a few newer members and anyone who starts a post with 'I never played the old Codex but...' - so being the one voice of reason in there (not to toot my own horn too much...) is quite odd.

So sound off all'a'ya.

That's pretty much the crux of the discussion isn't it? What people want in the next Codex: Chaos Space Marines is their own way, not other people's way.

I for one love the chaos codex as it is for the most part. Lash should stay the way it is only thing thats really keeping Chaos in the same level as SM and IG clearly the two powerful codex's right now.


few changes:
Lord on bike should make bikes troops
Another fast attack choice like Land speeder
Land raider upgrades
i like the idea of only being able to get lesser daemons of ur mark also maybe a real save then the 5+ inval
Marks lowered alil bit
if nurgle posion rounds that make ur oppenets save +1
+3 FNP for nurgle troops

fluffy yet cheesy legions that make space wolves look like the postergirls they are.

One of the stupidest things I absolutely hate about the 'new' Codex is the way Icons work. If the model in a unit of Chaos Marines is carrying an Icon of Khorne and he dies, why does the rest of the unit magically stop worshipping Khorne (and thus lose their +1A)?

Why are Daemons no longer from a God?
Why aren't there legion rules (even a bloody WD update, something similar to how the Blood Angel codex was done)?
Why aren't there cultists?
Where's my sacred number bonus?
God/Daemonic rivalries? I'm sick of this Nurgle army being led by a Slaaneshi Sorcerer crap.
Where's the option to buy SM gear at increased cost (yes, I want an assault cannon)?
Where'd my fluff go?
Where's the LATD?
Hell where are beastmen!?

I wish they would make Chaos Chaos again. The customizable fluffy army that they used to be.

I mean for newer players who don't know/never experienced the glory that is 2nd (or even 3rd, I guess) Chaos, it's not TOO bad. But it's, IMO, just another army. Chaos used to be special. In fact every army had a very distinct flavour.

I'm also not saying the current Codex is BAD per se, just that it is nowhere near what it could be.

I'm not getting my hopes up for the new codex whenever it comes out... but some things would be nice...

I'd love legion rules aswell, i'd like thousand sons to be better, Havocs to get plasma cannons and multi meltas, Normal troops to get cheaper special and heavy weapons, better elite choices than possesed marines. Khorne bezerkers having the same options as vanguard veterans and rules. MOK give guys WS+1, Frious charge and an extra attack. Introduce chaos servitors and techmarines. Get razorbacks ect. and finally they should reintroduce cultists, get new heroes

What do I want?

I've been thinking about this actually, probably too much but anyways, Chaos needs something to make them fearless, but a nerf to leadership so that there's an incentive for a space marine to drop his bolter and carry what ammounts to a really big close combat weapon that just makes him a giant target. Bessides, these are not 'saviors of mankind' they are greedy space pirates, they SHOULD be afraid, VERY afraid, but with the icon to remind them of their immortality, they should hold together a little bit.

What else do I want, Allegiance, making allegiance separate from the actual icon can open up new possibilities. The way it is now, non-cult marines are fairly useless, if they were fearless with an icon, AND had special abilities that didn't go away when the dude holding the icon died then they might be more useful, and people could have their Iron Warrior armies back, because you can pledge allegiance to a god, or to a chaos legion. (This would also open up neat possibilities, imagine Havoks that furious charged! RAAAGH)

Again, probably thinking too hard, but it's some ideas my brain has been festering.