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I'm not sure why people keep posting:

They're your miniatures. Do what you want with them.

Obviously, this is true. The player owns these miniatures, and, as such, is able to do what he wants with them. He can paint them in the aforementioned color scheme. He can paint them pink. He can paint them blue. He can throw them in the trash. He can coat them with chocolate, or dog feces, or gold.

I don't think the poster was asking what his legal or moral rights were regarding his miniatures. Perhaps I misunderstood.

Clearly, one is legally permitted to paint anatomically correct images of nude women on your own tanks. One is also clearly legally permitted to paint crass insults on your army banners ("Stick yer army up yer butt!). Clearly, you could convert an entire army of Imperial Guardsmen to fight in the nude (note the existence of such a regiment in a previous edition of the Imperial Guard Codex, penned by Mr. Jervis Johnson, as evidence of same in the canon).

However, one might (if one's head was not up one's own butt), expect such endeavors to generate more friction than other painting and modeling schemes. If your goal is to avoid such drama, you might choose a less controversial art project.

This is not to say that you can't (or even shouldn't) do any of these things. You buy your own models, and your own paint, and spend your own time. If a particular artistic expression is important to you, more important than the friction it might generate, then pursue it.

I don't think anyone, on any side of this issue, should feel confident in assigning moral blame (or moral praise) to someone on the basis of such a modeling choice. You might paint an IG force as Nazis (not what the original poster asked, but...) because you are a fervent adherent of National Socialism. You might paint them that way because you view the Imperium as morally equivalent, and wish to use your modeling and painting skills to bring up such a consideration. You might paint them that way because you want to pick fights and make people uncomfortable. You might just like the color scheme.

You can't tell any of that from the paint job. Claiming you can makes you either a psychic or an idiot.

However, it also doesn't take too much intelligence and social savvy to realize that some imagery is more or less controversial than other imagery. Of course you have the right, both legally and morally, as far as I am concerned, to paint your models the way you want.

Other people ALSO have the right to find such paint jobs offensive, disturbing, or awesome. They have the right to speak to you about this (free speech) and the right to choose to play against you, or to choose NOT to play against you.

If your goal is to have an army which will engender less controversy and less missed games, don't choose a controversial modeling scheme. If your goal is to have a controversial scheme, go for it. If your goal is not to create controversy, but you feel you must use a controversial scheme, well, go into the job with your eyes open. If I walk into a bar in Alabama with a hat that says "Up yours, redneck" on, it doesn't justify me getting a beating, but I can't expect a quiet drink, either.

one is legally permitted to paint anatomically correct images of nude women on your own tanks.

That would be a first!
never seen an anatomically correct woman, clothed or otherwise, painted on a military vehicle. Ever.

Hope to see a discussion containing things like this..



Sadly this threads about minis being almost nazi.

Its really sux that the nazis ruin a cool set of colours and the hindi symbol and all that.

IMO I would steer clear of the armbands. If you look at the crybaby ruckus caused by the dancing bear mini you will see people aren't actually rational about minis. This thread is an aberration I tells ya. Since you say you care what people think I would avoid the armband similarities.

Sad but true.. Blame Hitler.

Apparently Stalin as an upstanding guy though.

Because a red star army isn't offensive at all for some reason. (I saw one in white dwarf waaaay back)

Just when you thought a barbaric totalitarian regime was unpalatable...
Shaman brings us kitsch.

I will never complain about genocide ever again.

IMO-
The colors red white and black by themselves are fine... your suggested image with 3 black V's would also be fine and playable within any rules.
If you were in-fact suggesting using a swastika, your question alone suggests- you don't have muscle to back yourself if someone should take offense and such a situation could end badly for you...
In general glorifying mass genocide is a bad idea...

Slightly off topic - I don't understand the "no nipple" mentality at all and i never will...
From what I know of our history, I really fail to make the connection as to how we have come to be such a bunch of prudes...
Perhaps it comes from the homophobes?

As it is, do you consider the picture above pornographic?
Would you if it was modeled with bare breasts?

I rate this thread 10/10 for being thought provoking and conversation generating
although the idea of the thread 1/10 simply because you could use a plausible alternative (like an iron cross or a different color) depending on your initial actual intentions...

my 3.5c

I'm going to say it one last time. The army is not nazi themed. I picked the colors red, white, and black for the armband because they work well with the greys that already exist on my models.

In an effort to help get this point across to people I play, I've decided that if I do the armbands I will only have them on models that carry a rank above private (so sergeants would have it) and paint WWII style murals on the sides of my tanks and vendettas.

I won't have an iron cross because it doesn't work with my army. I won't have a swastica because it won't work with my army. I was never trying to make it look nazi like.

The symbol on the sample armband provided is that of a Sergeant in the US Army. That's it, nothing more, and nothing less. The symbol will change from model to model depending on rank. For instnace (since I don't know how clear I made this), the Sergeant will have his "three V's" and a Lieutenant will have his "double bars".

Also, it had been brought to my attention that Orange may be a viable option for armbands instead of red. I will paint up both colors and show the armband-less version. I will (should have?) have acess to a camera later tonight and will be able to post pictures. I will also post a picture of one of my vehicles so it makes more sense as to why I had originally chosen red instead of orange.

darkdm wrote:The army is not nazi themed. I picked the colors red, white, and black for the armband because they work well with the greys that already exist on my models.

I've decided that if I do the armbands I will only have them on models that carry a rank above private (so sergeants would have it) and paint WWII murals on the sides of my tanks and vendettas.

Also, it had been brought to my attention that Orange may be a viable option for armbands instead of red.

Perhaps not, however, when you talk about a grey army wearing a red armband with a black-on-white insignia, early war Nazis are exactly what comes to mind. In the future, maybe consider post a pic of what you're thinking from the start?

OK, *why* armbands? If you're only doing officers, why not contrasting shoulderpads? They're larger and easier to see, especially for the player (you).

Orange can go very bright, brighter than red, depending on which shade you use.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Perhaps not, however, when you talk about a grey army wearing a red armband with a black-on-white insignia, early war Nazis are exactly what comes to mind. In the future, maybe consider post a pic of what you're thinking from the start?

OK, *why* armbands? If you're only doing officers, why not contrasting shoulderpads? They're larger and easier to see, especially for the player (you).

Orange can go very bright, brighter than red, depending on which shade you use.

I didn't have pictures from the get go because of camera issues and not wanting to paint on any armbands yet, as I wanted to know what people thought about the idea.

Also, it's armbands because they're easy to paint/model (paint moreso than model) on already finished models. Also, I like the squad/regiment numbering system on one shoulder pad so I can tell my squads apart without haivng to flip the models over, and the army symbol on the other shoulder pad. And I feel that the same color shoulder pad in a squad gives it a better flow through the squad and unifies it better. The armband fits easy on the sleeve beneath the shoulder pad, and will still allow me to pick out officers in the squad more easily (I have particular difficulty disscerning my Vet sergeants from the rest of the Vets, as they are armed exactly the same).

And again, the orange works, the only issue I have with it is that I have a red stripe down the side of my chimeras and other tanks, and a white army marking on it. The eye on the army symbol is filled in with black, and looks good. And the orange and red will not match well together.

Again, pictures forthcoming later tonight, assuming my brother has no delays at the airport.

@ Shaman:
We would, except no one would complain at all about it if I put murals with yet even less "clothing" (as per WWII) on the sides of my tanks because 1) It makes my army not nazi like anymore and therefore apperantly has no place in the thread, even thought I had asked about something similar in my first post, and 2) Because a lost fewer people are offended by nudity/scantily cladness then swasticas, and it therefore doesn't provoke much argument.

I personally think that the soul grinder you posted is amazing, but had you asked me 4 years ago what I'd thought of it, I probably would have been a little put off by it.

darkdm wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:OK, *why* armbands? If you're only doing officers, why not contrasting shoulderpads? They're larger and easier to see, especially for the player (you).

Also, it's armbands because they're easy to paint/model (paint moreso than model) on already finished models. Also, I like the squad/regiment numbering system on one shoulder pad so I can tell my squads apart without haivng to flip the models over, and the army symbol on the other shoulder pad. And I feel that the same color shoulder pad in a squad gives it a better flow through the squad and unifies it better. The armband fits easy on the sleeve beneath the shoulder pad, and will still allow me to pick out officers in the squad more easily (I have particular difficulty disscerning my Vet sergeants from the rest of the Vets, as they are armed exactly the same).

OK, how about simply inverting or rotating the Squad colors on the shoulderpad for the Officers? Same colors, but you can instantly see which is which.

How about he test paints one and posts the pictures.
Problem with asking about this sort of thing is that without pictures some peoples minds will make it worse than what it is.

Its sort of like how the comic book the crow was accused of being hyper violent when it actually depicted very little violence. The author intentionally left it where the action happened in the mind. His stated reason for doing such was thay he couldn't come up with anything worse than what was already in the human imagination.

And to add. the DKOK army basically look like a bunch of WWII nazis in gasmasks.

what you're doing could be taken badly, but I really doubt that. It is just a wargame after all.

and if someone gives you grief, just say well here is your opportunity to blast them to bitz!

DKOK look nothing like WW2 Germans.

darkdm wrote:

The symbol on the sample armband provided is that of a Sergeant in the US Army. That's it, nothing more, and nothing less. The symbol will change from model to model depending on rank. For instnace (since I don't know how clear I made this), the Sergeant will have his "three V's" and a Lieutenant will have his "double bars".

The "V's" are called Chevrons.

LT's only have 1 bar, CAPTAINS are double bars.

If you want to paint them up as Nazi's, go right ahead.

I for one though want to see some more of that Slannish action.


I used to have an army of Ork YOOF's that were dressed up with the grey uniforms, the stormtrooper helmets, and had jump packs. I didn't even think to put the armbands on them, the white circle with the lightning bolt was good enough.

Best assault army I had and did plenty of slapstick damage, between themselves and the jet packs.

Tell them to feth off. You paid your money, you can paint what you want them to be.

As for all of the hand wringing, pfft. whatever.

Undead Nazi's, Commies, Krauts, Nips, VC, hadgies, or whoever or whatever are cool. If they are supposed to be nazis, you better have something other then the whole shock value shtick.

Personnally, I can see black uniforms, red berets, and white circles with the lightning bolts, too. I have a squad of old school stormtroopers painted up exactly like this. The 40K guys make horrible nazis, though. If your going to pull something like that, your best bet is to get some of those Secrets Of The Third Riech heads and put them in there. Or even better, go play some WW2, Wierd War 2, pulp, or some other game. 40K is kinda... odd, to be talking about some guys as petty as Nazis.

Hell, we will exterminate a planet if we don't like you. Prison camp, whats that? Burn the heritic, Kill the mutant, Purge the alien.

And if they are too tough for the IG, we send in a brotherhood of Space Marines that will kill everything in the place. If they don't do the trick, It's time to bring out the big guns and send in Grey Knights, Deathwatch, or the Inquisition can come knocking. To me, nazi nerdrage doesn't even fit in the conversation. I'm a big boy, now. No one owes me a thing, if you wanted to put yamica's on them and give them an Ark of the Coventnat for doomsday device, I would have to see it, if the paint job was cool, I might even take that idea and run with it.


40K guys , when put in the perspective of this conversation, can be any style you want, but if you go put something like "Hello Kitty " heads, or painting them up as outright Nazi's Commies, VC, or insurgents, you had better come to the table with an either balls out outstanding paintjob like the ones on military gaming miniatures, or some of the 1/35th Shepard Paine paint jobs. Sometimes, in the grand scheme, just painting them up trying to be rebelious, or just trying to be provacitive can backfire.

Then you get a bunch of bad copies of your paintjob, and a whole pack of hitler yoof that think that you are the rallying cry for caveman.

Just being offensive isn't even in the question, then. All you end up doing is upsetting the natural order of your game club and unintentionally, or intentionally start stuff you really didn't intend. If your going to paint up some nazi's, though. Get it right or don't waste your time.


I suggest that you go back, rethink your paint scheme, and come back with an improvement with something like blood red uniforms, black helmets, and grey arm bands, maybe? Black armbands with a white circle and a blood red lightning bolt? even brown uniforms, black helmets, with white armbands with red markings.
Just be original, or if you are going to do it, do it with a little class, and take time with it. The outright nazi angle though, even if painted up to a top notch standard will more then likely get you some static, but they are your minis. YOU are the final standard as to how you want them.

There was a thread like this one where the guy really did paint up a army like Nazi's, and even though the paintjob was great, the whole scheme really didn't fit and made the guy who did it really look foolish.

Do what thou whilt, though.

What did you use for the Slannish pleasure... er beast.

I want one of those.

On a quick note, no one has said anything about playing against an army they find offensive at a tourney, which is the big reason I even started this topic. Also, I've changed the name of the thread to better suit my army, as that seems to be the topic of disscussion...

So I finally got access to a camera, so pictures do accompany this post. Forgive the quality of painting on the guys, I pulled out guys I did not care about because I’m still in the process of figuring out whether I’m going to do this. Also, I wanted to check at my FLGS first to see if anyone I normally play with would get offended. Because I play with them all the time, I actually care if one of them gets offended.

One more time, because people don’t understand:
The army is not Nazi themed. It was never intended to be Nazi themed. There will not ever be iron crosses or swastikas on this army because it doesn’t make sense for the army to have them. It doesn’t fit my army’s fluff to make them Nazis. The original grays have existed on the models for some time. I’ve been thinking about adding armbands that display rank symbols so I could help distinguish models within a unit from each other, because (while not shown on the models pictured) both shoulder pads already have images or numbers on them. The colors red, white, and black were chosen because they add a nice contrast to the existing paint scheme and still let the marking pop. Also, I’ve decided that if I do armbands, it will only be on minis with a rank of Sergeant or higher, as to keep the number of them lower so it looks less Nazi like, in addition to doing WWII style murals on the sides of my tanks and Vendettas so that it looks more “American”.

Explanation of the pictures:
>Picture 1- It’s a group shot. You can’t really see the armbands on the two guys that have them, but it shows that all of them carry the same scheme.
>Picture 2- Group shot showing the left arm, the first guy has a red armband, the second has an orange, and the third has none.
>Picture 3- Single shot of the red armband. The freehanded Sergeant’s chevrons are not good, but you can tell what they are.
>Picture 4- Single shot of the orange armband. Same as pic 3, not great, but you can tell it’s chevrons.
>Picture 5- Single shot of the guy without an armband, for comparison.
>Picture 6 and 7- My (not great) chimera. I’m showing it because the red stripe and dragon head on the vehicle were there before I had even thought about armbands…hence why I had chosen red, white, and black for the armbands. If anyone calls this tank remotely nazi-like…

Even though I take no offense to the Nazi-ish thing, I personally think that the narrow-minded PC types would have a problem.
Perhaps try painting the arm bands onto the shoulder plates or helmets instead.

First off, thanks very much for the pics. It's much clearer what you're doing.

IMO, it'd have been nice if you described them as Cadians with dark grey armor over light grey uniforms. Are you going to paint camo on the uniforms and armor, or are they going to stay flat color?

As far as the armbands go, they don't really look like armbands (looks like a different color sleeve), and the insignia is very hard to see or make out. Especially as they're low on the arm and pointing down.

The stripe on the Chimera is nice, but I'd expect to see insignia on it. Also, it can be orange not too difficult.

As you've got your models & paints out, humor me, and do one of the shoulderpads.

Finally, a thin wash of Devlan Mud would do wonders for your models...

JohnHwangDD wrote:First off, thanks very much for the pics. It's much clearer what you're doing.

IMO, it'd have been nice if you described them as Cadians with dark grey armor over light grey uniforms. Are you going to paint camo on the uniforms and armor, or are they going to stay flat color?

Did

darkdm wrote:
As a reiteration, it’s not a Nazi themed army. The guardsmen are painted with a light grey for the fatigues and a darker grey, almost black, for the flak armor. The idea is to put red/white arm bands on guys to help denote rank on some guys. The symbol on the arm band would be black, but it’d be the symbol of rank corresponding to that particular model. Turns out, my phone hates my computer and doesn’t transfer the (crappy) pictures, so when I have access to a camera, I’ll put up some pictures.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
As far as the armbands go, they don't really look like armbands (looks like a different color sleeve), and the insignia is very hard to see or make out. Especially as they're low on the arm and pointing down.

The stripe on the Chimera is nice, but I'd expect to see insignia on it. Also, it can be orange not too difficult.

As you've got your models & paints out, humor me, and do one of the shoulderpads.

Finally, a thin wash of Devlan Mud would do wonders for your models...

Again, the models are not well painted and I don't care much about them, hence why they've been used as test models.

I'll humor you, but please remember that both shoulder pads on my other models are already filled with symbols and numbers. Pics forthcoming tomorrow (late here with work in the morning).

The insignia on the armbands is rank. It's not the army symbol, which is what the dragon head on the chimera is. The chimera won't have a rank insignia because it's a vehicle, nor an armband because (it has no arms ) I don't need to try to make it pop/discern from the sea of models it's in, it already has the pretty red stripe and is much larger than a guardsmen. I like the red with the grey on the chimera, so orange won't happen there...

One doesn't agree with the idea so are narrow minded PC types?
okay. Will let that slide into the gutter

Hi Darkdm
Likingthe colour scheme a lot.
Thanks for posting the pics.

Personally irrespective of the connotations I would rethink the arm bands idea. My initial reaction is, campaign markings/rank badges would look better on shoulder pads.
I agree with John on that.
Since they are already chocked up with insignia the helmet
would be cool to have rank/campaign insignia. Maybe an orange stripe or similar with chevrins/bars on the forehead.

Secondly they resemble the Nazi armbands and it will be really hard not to associate them with brown shirts and black shirts imho. The imagery is too firmly embedded.

Since you are not wanting a Nazi ideology for your IG's I would ditch it. Also it occured to me yesterday that armbands are usually not worn on battle dress.
The only exception I can think of would be for medics.

BTW your Chimera does have arms, I can see plenty of weaponry

darkdm wrote:In the past, there have been minis that have been labeled as rude, crude, and even lude. most of these models have been done away with for those reasons (the ones I recall right now are Demonettes).

But these have been produced by a professional grade company and can risk lawsuits and/or loss of business. So what happens when Average Joe decides he wants to model and paint an IG army to look nearly identical to SS Panzer troops from WWII? Or a mural of a naked woman on a Rhino? Or perhaps some nudie Zombies for his Vampire Counts? And for no other reason than they enjoy the way the models will look.

My dilema is that I'm working on an IG army, already painted with greys and whitewashed skin, and am thinking about adding arm bands to denote rank on some of the models. The problem is that red, white, and black are the colors I'm considering because they offer a nice contrast to the grey. I would have a red arm band, with a white stripe in the middle wide enough to fit a black rank symbol. I wonder if that's going too far.

I think it's safe to assume that I can bring it to my FLGS if everyone I play against there thinks it's fine. But if I take it to a tournament...

So what I'm asking Dakka:
>When is someone going to far with their conversions/painting?
>If you encountered an army that fits the bill above, what would you do at a tournament?

Easy test: Would you be embarrassed to show it to your grandmother? (if your grandmother is a Nazi, serial killer, or formerly worked for the IRS then this test might not be especially helpful).


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The Dreadnote wrote:If it looks good, paint it. If anyone complains, slap 'em.

Bad advice. They may slap you back, with a baseball bat.

Even worse, they may have a fully automatic weiner dog in the bag.




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focusedfire wrote:

Tailgunner wrote:This is the kind of attitude that gives wargamers a bad name. The fact is, some images carry a lot of cultural baggage, and the swastika remains one of the most provocative. If you have a personal craving to paint your Imperial Guard as Liebstandarte bodyguard so you can line them up while listening to the Panzerlied, then do it in the privacy of your own home (perhaps with other like-minded individuals). But if you bring them to a store or tournament, don't be surprised if you get a negative reaction from people who just may have lost a relative in a death camp or may be a little less desensitived that you It's not a matter of your God-given right to say anything you like, no matte how crass and stupid, or historical relativism (everyone killed people so anything is okay). It's a matter of recognising that there is a line between referencing historical forces and just being offensive.

I think the dividing line is minis that replicate (say) the SS look and minis which are inspired by it. Black and red uniforms - no problem. 'Ambush' schemes on your tanks and troops in camouflaged smocks - fine. Just stay away from swastikas. Posing them giving the Nazi salute is probably also a bad idea. The same applies to excessive amounts of 'anatomical correctness' on models, or sexually explicit poses. You're just asking for trouble (a lot of kids play this game), and what does it prove? You can suggest that your Dark Eldar or whatever are depraved without having to spell it out in detail.

Would you apply the same rules to a Soviet themed army with gulag prisoners as the penal legion?

More so.


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brush_slip wrote:Jaguar models Here, hitler and his right hand man.

Verlinden DOES have one as well.

So the what?

This is a fantasy game. Leave the historical references to historical games.

Shaman wrote:Hope to see a discussion containing things like this..

Oh, where the hell did this come from?!? It's freakin brilliant. I could see this thing as a demon prince leading a whole bunch of demonettes.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
Secondly they resemble the Nazi armbands and it will be really hard not to associate them with brown shirts and black shirts imho. The imagery is too firmly embedded.

Since you are not wanting a Nazi ideology for your IG's I would ditch it. Also it occured to me yesterday that armbands are usually not worn on battle dress.
The only exception I can think of would be for medics.

BTW your Chimera does have arms, I can see plenty of weaponry

What are you talking about? The color and look do not scream nazi. Right now they look more like some form of asian prayer flag/divine wind symbol wrapped around the arm. Saying that those models look nazis is like saying a tibetan monk looks like a skinhead.


@darkdm-Now as far as look goes? Do the shoulder pads because the armband thing isn't working and doesn't fit the overall look. Think of it this way, if you are going to void your camo-pattern with a bright mark to make spotting rank easier, then do it not half do it. The chimera looks good but both it and the infantry could go a shade darker in the red department.

I'd also love to see a test model with a similar scheme done on the shoulder pad. That, to me, would also lay to rest any connotations of it being similar to the Nazi uniform.

Lots of people have weighed in here, but in the end it's up to you and what you like! It's smart to avoid the whole debate, though, and I think doing it as a shoulder pad would accomplish both that, and look better, too!

I love your tanks. The red stripe adds a LOT!

Cheers
RiTides

What are you talking about? The color and look do not scream nazi. Right now they look more like some form of asian prayer flag/divine wind symbol wrapped around the arm. Saying that those models look nazis is like saying a tibetan monk looks like a skinhead.

The Red is closer to the Nazi armbands in hue.
The orange one is close to a vermillion. It is at the red end of the orange range.
It is sufficiently close to evoke the Nazi armbands.

Buddhist robes are saffron. At the yellow end of the orange spectrum.
Monks are swathed in saffron robes so even in 28mm replicas are unlikey to throw up associations with Kristallnacht.

Finally, "what are you talking about?" comes across as being impolite and confrontational. A simple request for clarification of my opinion would have been preferable.
I did not say they scream Nazi. I said that the armbands are sufficiently close to Nazi armbands- remember that they are on scale minis so the warmer orange will probably register as Nazi style- many people will make associateions due to the iconography being so strongly embedded in our minds.

The final call is with the OP. But he has asked for opinions and I have tried to offer a rational opinion in an emotive topic.

Think outside of the black/grey/white/red box and add some unique color to the army, or, failing that, you could shave imperial eagle off of the helmets and GS rank insignia in its place for your sergeants.

EDIT: The armbands would be the last method of identifying rank, just because they don't look good.

I have no problems with the pictured IG troops.

Frankly, I'm having a hard time linking them to nazi's or the SS.

To me, and bear in mind this is a criticism I make imagining I'd seen the army for the first time without having heard about it... the first thing I'd think is, 'this guy messed up painting his swastikas, perhaps he should have used a transfer'.

That said, I see swastikas, red five-pointed stars, blue six-pointed stars, skull'n'crossbones and the Greens Party as all being similarly associated with groups of people who have done quite illogical and violent things to other groups of people who were simply minding their own business. I wouldn't paint an army with swastikas on it, and I don't care if you do... but frankly, yes, the test models you have provided look like they have armbands with little badly painted swastikas on them.

I think others have hinted at it, but here's a flat statement. Regardless of the Ideology of armies such as the Nazi's, for all purposes they look cool.

The iconography and colors of the armies make for interesting looking models. This was actually a specific goal of the Germans in WW2.

Most gamers I've known in the past, wouldn't care, if it was painted well and converted, they'd probably love it.

Iif you are in a area like my current local game region I wouldn't suggest it, it seems many of the gamers here have very "wussy" sensibilities. Not so at the game store that closed down, too bad.

The derogatory comments about people that can see the problems that could arise are wearing a tad thin.

There is nothing wussy about objecting to Nazi paraphenalia. As winessed by the poor bastards that got their windows and heads kicked in objecting to it back in the 1930's.

If you cannot make connections with the ideology that is up to you. But there is no need for the name calling just because someone objects.

Read what the OP says.

The army is not Nazi themed. It was never intended to be Nazi themed. There will not ever be iron crosses or swastikas on this army because it doesn’t make sense for the army to have them. It doesn’t fit my army’s fluff to make them Nazis.

They look like Nazi armbands.
If you find that cool fine, that is your opinion. But again don't insult people just because they are suggesting that there is too strong a resemblence to Nazi armbands.

Either way as I have said above imho it just doesn't work given the OP's brief. There are alternative and better solutions for rank ID. As stated it is up to the OP to choose.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:The derogatory comments about people that can see the problems that could arise are wearing a tad thin.

There is nothing wussy about objecting to Nazi paraphenalia. As winessed by the poor bastards that got their windows and heads kicked in objecting to it back in the 1930's.

If you cannot make connections with the ideology that is up to you. But there is no need for the name calling just because someone objects.

Read what the OP says.

The army is not Nazi themed. It was never intended to be Nazi themed. There will not ever be iron crosses or swastikas on this army because it doesn’t make sense for the army to have them. It doesn’t fit my army’s fluff to make them Nazis.

They look like Nazi armbands.
If you find that cool fine, that is your opinion. But again don't insult people just because they are suggesting that there is too strong a resemblence to Nazi armbands.

Either way as I have said above imho it just doesn't work given the OP's brief. There are alternative and better solutions for rank ID. As stated it is up to the OP to choose.

Agreed Chibi.
As note, you want to play historical games, play historical games. 40K is not historical gaming.
One would think common courtesy would steer you clear of items such as this.