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Sorry you got scammed but I agree, I like your version better.

wolfshadow wrote:That sounds pretty awsome Santobell.

Maybe take a look at Pedro Kanto's Stormbolter for rules? Especially when you have the re-roll ability already, twin linking it seems underpowered for the points.

Yeah it was late when I wrote that and managed to effectively give him two of the same ability don't ask me how (I think I was meant to say he counts as have 2 storm bolters which is the same as Kantor's so yeah) the assault 4 storm bolter of Kantor's is a much better option ty for pointing out my F-up matey cheers

BLACKHAND wrote:Sorry you got scammed but I agree, I like your version better.

Me too to be honest.

My only modelling issue now is how to make my Chapter Master larger than life (well bigger than you average marine captain) I was also thinking about putting him in Terminator armor instead of Arti armor not sure I really hope to have a few more of these guys to show you in the next day or so, it's just been so busy here lately.

on top of all that I am beta testing a new MMO called DC Universe Online which has taken up a bit of time as well but I'm pretty much over the honeymoon effect of it so I'll be back to my regular madness any day now!

have you thought of adding some blue to the base of the flames as I have a fire here at home and have seen blue flames.

I trialed real flame, and traditional flame styles before settling on the reversed flame scheme.

As most realise normal flame is dark centered and vibrant bright outer moving from red through yellow and eventually into blues.

I went backwards having a dark background moving into yellow, why stop at yellow? Well it's bright which is a contrast to the dark black but it is also the original colour of the fire-hawks chapter.

On that note GW has seen fit to redo the firehawks in the badab IA book they have a new chapter icon and a different more brown colour scheme, I have been informed that this is the badab campaign colours and the yellow is still the main scheme only the icons have actually changed on the chapter.

From this

To this

Which makes more sense really considering the chapters name.


So now I have to repaint my dreadnaught....sigh.

In other news, some of the models and parts have been damaged before I got to them I have GS'd as much as I can but in a few rare cases I have been forced to cast a leg or two and a chest section or so, in doing so I have decided to make a custom two part marine to fit the GW plastics in the legions theme,

The idea is to have enough parts to make several combinations so that I can continue the army beyond the old models as needed or simply for the show of it.

I'm waiting on some new GS tools at the moment (hobby shop didn't have small enough tipped tools) but will hopefully have something to show in the next couple of weeks as I should get some time at this during the Christmas period.

New pics will be coming in the next day or so of the newly finished mini's as well.

Like the face on centurius, looks like its about to break its so brittle... very nice


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Nice little nuke on the dread aswell, m yfriend

Looking forward to seeing what you come up with Santobell. Good luck with the casting.

Santo I too went and bought some new GS sculpting tools, and while they are everything they said they were on the box I find I generally use just one of them and it is pretty much the same as the hobby blades I have been using up till now...not a bad investment but one that you will have to really work at to utilize properly I think...

...paint blenders on the other hand are the single best tool you can get to improve you GS sculpts.

Raen wrote:Like the face on centurius, looks like its about to break its so brittle... very nice
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Nice little nuke on the dread aswell, m yfriend

Pretty much the effect I was hoping for an aged beyond anything real as if his skin is just flaking away exposing the bone underneath.

wolfshadow wrote:Looking forward to seeing what you come up with Santobell. Good luck with the casting.

Only three more to fix up and then it's go time for assembly and painting.

BLACKHAND wrote:Santo I too went and bought some new GS sculpting tools, and while they are everything they said they were on the box I find I generally use just one of them and it is pretty much the same as the hobby blades I have been using up till now...not a bad investment but one that you will have to really work at to utilize properly I think...

...paint blenders on the other hand are the single best tool you can get to improve you GS sculpts.

Paint blenders ... really I'll have to look into it.

Paint blenders/paint shapers.

Any local art supply store should have them. Check near the oil painting supplies. They look like paintbrushes with while silicone tips.

The ones at my local store were like $2-4 a pop. Not exactly expensive. I plan on buying a couple once I get my hands on some Green stuff. Not willing to pay GWs rediculous prices for a tiny amount of it.

There are some great deals on GS, Galeforce9 does a decent pack can't remember off the top of my head what it costs.

If you are getting paint blenders try for a mid range hardness, they come in white , grey and dark grey so I would recommend the grey. I have a wedge tip and a cone tip and they serve all my needs.

Check out this tutorial thread

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/317624.page

My entry is the second one down (after Gits) and it shows the blenders I am talking about

BLACKHAND wrote:There are some great deals on GS, Galeforce9 does a decent pack can't remember off the top of my head what it costs.

If you are getting paint blenders try for a mid range hardness, they come in white , grey and dark grey so I would recommend the grey. I have a wedge tip and a cone tip and they serve all my needs.

Check out this tutorial thread

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/317624.page

My entry is the second one down (after Gits) and it shows the blenders I am talking about

I'm really building a nice library of Tuts now it's great, when I joined up to Dakka I never thought I'd get so much support in one place it's awesome! I mean the last place I was a member with was portant before it went upside down and ended up as warseer, Any hoo cheers BH and everyone!

wolfshadow wrote:Paint blenders/paint shapers.

Any local art supply store should have them. Check near the oil painting supplies. They look like paintbrushes with while silicone tips.

The ones at my local store were like $2-4 a pop. Not exactly expensive. I plan on buying a couple once I get my hands on some Green stuff. Not willing to pay GWs rediculous prices for a tiny amount of it.

I ordered some from my local Jacksons supplier I can't wait to mess about with them.


In the mean time and long overdue "Legere" (gathering or group/unit) 1 is finished.




Oh and here is a custom legion shoulder-pad I made and cast



I have also put on order the blood angels character chaplain (and a crap load of GS) who will be the base for my chapter master, I will be getting the tubing and rods I need to build my custome SM chest plates and shoulders so I can continue to expand the army past the OOP miniatures.


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Doubly Oh I drafted up a Organisation Chart so that people could see where I'm headed with all this mess haha



and if anyone was wondering the Term "Legere Defunctorum" which means "The Gathering of the dead or a large group belonging to death" which is a much nicer translation than "legion est mortis" which is closer to "large group, death" the later can be found on some of the older legion armor and banners.

Great work on the shoulder pad.

Looking forward to seeing what you do withe the Chapter Master. :-)

Pure amazing. Keep it up cant wait to see more.

keep it up.

wolfshadow wrote:Great work on the shoulder pad.
Thanks matey I've got a few in pipe when they get done I'll post more pics (it's not a priority at the moment so it will be a little while).

Looking forward to seeing what you do withe the Chapter Master. :-)

Me too ha ha but seriously it's going to be a fun project the chaplain is a great model as is so I hope my conversion does it justice.

comisarmilo wrote:Pure amazing. Keep it up cant wait to see more.

Cheers matey, stay tuned though I'm hoping it gets better... big ideas in my head at the moment a dreadnaught rebuild the chapter master and not to forget my 40k Skaven who are about to get more rats, a version of mega armor and transports.

Miss Dee wrote:keep it up.

already have ha ha check below for images of the command squad well the first two of it (bare in mind these are not sealed and there is still some highlights to do, oh and bases).

Melta guy

Plasma guy

Centurius with Plasma and Melta guy

Still to come Flamer guy 1 and Flamer guy 2 it's a shooty command squad.

Command squad is now done.

Flamer guy 1


Flamer guy 2


Group shot


GS should be arriving today or tomorrow then it's dreadnaught rebuild and Chapter Master followed by repairs of the second Tictac squad and then Terminators... Well that's the plan at least.

Are you gonna convert a multi melta?

Lookin' really good Santobell. Lean and mean.

Command squad looks great!

Only suggestion would be to darken up the muzzle area of the flamer witha soot effect with some weathering power or if you want to go ghetto, scrape up some graphite and dust that on with a brush.

Miss Dee wrote:Are you gonna convert a multi melta?

Never thought about it but heck yeah M&M's are my favorite type of burn.

Gitsplitta wrote:Lookin' really good Santobell. Lean and mean.

I wanted a shooty command unit the legion are not known for thier close combat pretty much at all so it seemed odd to have a CC armed command squad or honor guard.

wolfshadow wrote:Command squad looks great!

Only suggestion would be to darken up the muzzle area of the flamer with a soot effect with some weathering power or if you want to go ghetto, scrape up some graphite and dust that on with a brush.

I'm going to uber old skool it by painting in the burn detail on each outlet hole I need to add more weathering to the models I was looking at them last night and I think they need scrapped and scuffed armor as well as the ages brass look. Once my gs arrives I will be adding flame to the bases and to the flamers etc for that extra ouchy look.


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Chapter Master has started to take form, there is no GS work on him yet and obviously no real paint either it's early days but I thought I show you all my vision of him.






so yeah C n C welcome as always

Looks odd in some way but cant put my finger on it.

Miss Dee wrote:Looks odd in some way but cant put my finger on it.

Yeah he looked a bit odd without his paint on so I started to paint him (no where near finished the results are below!



(That's the shoulder pad I posted earlier in the thread) ^^


and finally a scale shot


In my head the trail of parchment will have writing all over it and would be a name sheet for all the lost Firehawks like a memorial to them.

I know who he is now.. How about the next guy has a belt fed storm bolter?

Great Chapter Master, lovin the dual stormbolters!

Really awesome stuff here, the skulls that you've done are breathtaking

Keep up the awesome!!

Great stuff Santobell! Skull head is awesome.

wow, finnaly someone did a good job on a chaplins skuull helmet. everything else looks great

He looks F***ing intimidating. Jsut like the Chapter Master of the Fire Hawks should.

Love the color on the skulls...

How did you do that?(THe skulls/bone)

Miss Dee wrote:I know who he is now.. How about the next guy has a belt fed storm bolter?

I would love belt fed SB's but I don't have any ammo belt laying about in my bits boxes and making one that looks worth it's while seems tricky.

BLACKHAND wrote:Great Chapter Master, lovin the dual stormbolters!

Hey mate hows the family? and yeah SB's are bad ass and look it. So I though shooty Chapter Master it was either melta's or a rain of supernatural bolt shells so I went with rain, he's a troop shredder. Assault ranged weapons re-rolls and then he'll still B%&#@ slap a unit to death on the charge. I'd say he would work best against Orks, IG, Nids and any swarm army really his lack of power weapons is the only drawback but he gets an orbital strike so meh makes up for it really.

Lord PoPo wrote:Really awesome stuff here, the skulls that you've done are breathtaking
Keep up the awesome!!

Bone is probably the thing I'm best at with painting it's a simple scheme but getting it right especially on large bone areas like the shoulder pads etc can be tricky. Thanks for tuning in btw

Gitsplitta wrote:Great stuff Santobell! Skull head is awesome.

To be honest I almost cut it off I was ]---[ this close doing it and my little girl came into the room and AAAHHHHH! he's scarey so I kept it that way and shaved down the bad iron halo thing leaving a BA Baracas style Mohawk of metal and spikes down the center, green eyes with glowing yellow centers later he's one of my best conversions I think to day, well he's up there with my master chief and my vermin lord that's for sure! oh and the Airship.

moonshine wrote:wow, finnaly someone did a good job on a chaplins skuull helmet. everything else looks great

Thank you matey and cheers for joining in on the madness!

wolfshadow wrote:He looks F***ing intimidating. Jsut like the Chapter Master of the Fire Hawks should.

Love the color on the skulls...

How did you do that?(THe skulls/bone)

Maybe I should do a tut on the skulls everyone seems to like them??? and thanks!

Update.
I've done his highlights and now I'm just picking out the last tiny details, like the ring pulls on his grenades etc and some piping once done I will paint the debris on his base and flock it add soem burn marks on the ground behind him etc.

Question what colour should his Storm Bolters be? ........ no one say pink!
I think they are red traditionally but I'm not really sure, and should I paint his bare knee in Firehawks colours with the chapter badge on it? (I'm thinking yes).

Ok so I couldn't wait for responses I was in "the zone" ok that sounded way to 80s for my liking anyway I continued my work on the Chapter Master and the results I'm pretty happy with (still not sure if I should paint the bolters red though)






and a close up of his front



I'm using a new light with my photos and it's reflecting back off the GW black paint so the black looks a little more washed out than it does on the actual fig I need to play around with the lighting a bit more I think.

C n C welcome.