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Oh neat!... sorry, don't have 'im.

You know with your GS skills you could make a passable scratchbuilt version of Seargeant whatshisname right?

Oh and I forgot to say , love the axe on your Termie chaplain, that shape is slick

Very cool

BLACKHAND wrote:You know with your GS skills you could make a passable scratchbuilt version of Seargeant whatshisname right?

Oh and I forgot to say , love the axe on your Termie chaplain, that shape is slick

http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_pharaoh.htm

Great Poem.

/threadjack

Not to put you off but if you can get Sgt Centarius for under 40 squids you are doing very well. He is extremely well...but very powerful game wise.




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Extremely rare oops.

Gitsplitta wrote:Oh neat!... sorry, don't have 'im.

Yup he's real nifty

BLACKHAND wrote:You know with your GS skills you could make a passable scratchbuilt version of Seargeant whatshisname right?

Oh and I forgot to say , love the axe on your Termie chaplain, that shape is slick

I have decided to go this way I'll organise a box of the new LoTD and convert Centurius from the Skull headed Sgt that comes in that box

Thortek wrote:Very cool

Thank you matey

wolfshadow wrote:

BLACKHAND wrote:You know with your GS skills you could make a passable scratchbuilt version of Seargeant whatshisname right?

Oh and I forgot to say , love the axe on your Termie chaplain, that shape is slick

http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_pharaoh.htm

Great Poem.

/threadjack

Get yer own damned (pun intended) Thread ya mooch

manoknok wrote:Not to put you off but if you can get Sgt Centarius for under 40 squids you are doing very well. He is extremely well...but very powerful game wise.




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Extremely rare oops.

There is one of Ebay Oz for 49 AUD but I'm broke for the next week or two so he'll probably go away by the time I can do anyhting about it... so I'll just make one I think and sub him if I ever get my hands on one.


Update - sigh
I was hoping to get heaps done but a day of work and kids has left me with only half a Devastator done oh well here he is un based and needing a clean up still.



Once again my shots are way to dark I need to setup a real lighting rig for taking shots I think.

I could of made a killing on him but gave him away :,(

That Sargeant Centurius is such a cool model and i am now extremely sad to say i turnedhim into a plague lord back in '98. I WANNA KICK MYSELF> there are howevr about 20 on the .co.uk ebay sites all stratching form 35 english pounds to packs with one sargeant and 20 damned legionairres for 140???? seems bit steep.

Miss Dee wrote:I could of made a killing on him but gave him away :,(

Sadly this is the case for most of us myself included

usukgoose wrote:That Sargeant Centurius is such a cool model and i am now extremely sad to say i turnedhim into a plague lord back in '98. I WANNA KICK MYSELF> there are howevr about 20 on the .co.uk ebay sites all stratching form 35 english pounds to packs with one sargeant and 20 damned legionairres for 140???? seems bit steep.

I'll remake one and it will be fine I was just hoping to keep the authenticity of the army by actually getting hold of mostly original models but I bet me made a great plague lord!



Update - Heavy Done!

Finally finished the heavy bolter guy off I got distracted by my Skave who are now 80% painted and one squad from completion build wise well until I go nuts and decide I need more "X" where "X" is the ridiculess unit/troop/contraption I somehow figure I can build!

Wow, that's pretty ornate! Nice. You should drill out the muzzle on the heavy bolter though, it'll make a big difference in the way it looks.

Really nice job on the heavy bolter!

Would be good to make your own.

In fact, why not do more - LOTD Librarian? Scouts....

I used to have a Legion of the Damned Dreadnought and Landspeeder.

Then I decided I would give them a better paint job and stripped them.

Unbeknowest to me the add ons were mainly plastic and most melted, along with about 50 marines, and another 40 sets of arms, bolters, and back packs.

So...don't feel too bad about the conversion to a plaguelord.

holy crap! awesome legion of the damned! i wish i had more of the old ones (especially their special sergeant). great work!

Gitsplitta wrote:Wow, that's pretty ornate! Nice. You should drill out the muzzle on the heavy bolter though, it'll make a big difference in the way it looks.

Yup I realised that after I painted him, I did intend to do it and in the heat of the moment I forgot so I'll go back and clean it up later!

usukgoose wrote:Really nice job on the heavy bolter!

It's a great model I love the old heavy weapons really characterful, I didn't have to do much it was cool even in greys.

manoknok wrote:Would be good to make your own.

In fact, why not do more - LOTD Librarian? Scouts....

I used to have a Legion of the Damned Dreadnought and Landspeeder.

Then I decided I would give them a better paint job and stripped them.

Unbeknowest to me the add ons were mainly plastic and most melted, along with about 50 marines, and another 40 sets of arms, bolters, and back packs.

So...don't feel too bad about the conversion to a plaguelord.

Can't add scouts not even in the old 90's edition did they have them the best they got was Tac squads Dev Squads and in 98/99 they got dreads only to have them taken away again in a WD chapter approved.

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:holy crap! awesome legion of the damned! i wish i had more of the old ones (especially their special sergeant). great work!

Don't worry I'll get him... one day... he'll be in some 2 buck bin somewhere and one day I'll find him! and thanks welcome aboard!


No updates today gents and lady's if any are reading this??? I've been busy making stuff for good ole Git and his Mantis Warriors check out the thread!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/289929.page

Lady here (the hint is in the first bit of my sn)


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How about doing one changing into a LOD from a fire hawk.

I am currently doing a LotD army and in digging up rules for sergeant centurius i found a set saying the head in his hand is from a Librarian, and Centurius uses it so he can use the power - smite - and evry enemy that gets killed by his smite attack another damned soldier (only ones that died during the actual battle) comes back to be in his bodyguard. aSo i have a doubt that LotD could have Librarians at all - doesn't sound like Centurius likes them too much.

Scouts i have also not thought of having as doesn't 'suit' the LotD.
Chaplains however think should be able to be like the space wolves wolf guard termys aand be sergeant in a squad.
Termy's - of course. and Dreads.
Chosen assault and bikes/speeders too.
not really sure on using any other vehicle or thunderfire cannon.
however thinks like tech marines and apothecary could be used.

Go with the marine codex.

Miss Dee wrote:Lady here (the hint is in the first bit of my sn)


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How about doing one changing into a LOD from a fire hawk.

It's a good idea, I'm adding hints here and there but never thought about actually adding a marine that is half half, I'll give it a shot.

Holy crap that is beautiful!

djdutton wrote:Holy crap that is beautiful!

Why thank you I was extremely happy with it!!!

Hopefully more legion later today I have a flamer guy and another standard marine on the table as we speak.

Although once the army is done I will clarify my fluff a little more, I feel I should explain my take on these guys and why I'm limiting myself so harshly with unit choice.

My POV in relation to the legion who, what, why & how.

Who: Fire Hawks who got themselves in a spot of warp related trouble.

What happened: They died but in a 1k Son's/ SOB from Etheral Stern graphic novel the might of their will was able to remain encased in the battle armor of the chapter

How Many Survived in this manner: Bugger all maybe 50 100 tops.

To avoid rambling on and on and on and on and on and on and on and you get the point, I'll sum it up here... The Legion are dead men in armor they just don't need fancy things like transports or jump packs they show where they want when they want shoot things and shrug off everything else then vanish once the jobs done.

Rules wise:

Pro's
The legion deepstrike and can re-roll it, they can do this even when DS is not allowed
They are Fearless
They Have invulnerable saving throws
They can move and fire heavy weapons

This is a big deal... So to un-beardy the army they must be limited in some harsh ways:

Con's
They can take only LoTD and Devastator Squads (purchased at the higher points rate)
They can not take Fast attack or Elites (excluding the Legion of the Damned Squad which counts as troops)
They can not take Vehicles of any kind including bikes and dreadnaughts or weapons systems
They can not take a Chapter Master or Honor Guard
They can not take Scouts
They can not take Tech marines or Servitors
They may take Librarians but are limited to Smite and Machine curse
They are 65 points per unit more costly than a vanilla marine of the same standing
They are 15 points per item more expensive of Rare wargear choices such as Terminator armor and holy relics
They are 55 points per character more expensive (this effects the Brother Captain, Librarian & Chaplain).
They may not take a Master of the Forge

That is some pretty severe con's if you ask me!
Basically they are an army of Tactical marines led by a unit of glorified tactical marines but they are damn hard to kill.

What level of invl. save are you going to give them? Just a plain 3+ invul?

Yes sir as it is written in the SM rule book...


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I'll take this opportunity to expand my answer and demonstrate the by way of comparison the points system/value for points.

They (LoTD) will operate how GW has already put to print, I'm not creating any changes to the existing LoTD rules.

What I am I'm just creating is an additional set of rules to will allow the chapter to function as an army instead of a single unit, much like the Apocalypses rules GW had on the UK website only I'm giving them a HQ option as well (umming and ahhing about one Heavy support choice the devastator squad). I've adjusted the points cost inline with the existing LoTD points by a method of comparison, what this means is yes they are hard to kill though they can not bring as much firepower to bear as a common SM army and there are far fewer of them which translates on the table top as every loss is crippling.

So the short answer is as above "Yes" 3+ Inv saves but at a huge cost both individually and in restrictions the entire army.

As a quick comparison:

LoTD 5 Man Tactical Squad with a Flamer, Lascanon & Power Weapon - 220 points (or 205 with a Missile Launcher or 200 with a Heavy Bolter).
Normal SM 5 Man Tactical Squad with a Flamer, Lascannon & Power Weapon - 115 Points

the difference other than the base cost of 90 (SM) Verses 155 (LoTD) is the flamer is free for a standard SM unit and the Lascannon is 15 points cheaper for the standard marines.

So under the proposed list my troops alone would be over 600 points for three units of 5, if Devastators are included than the points cost will be 280 points and I still need to purchase the Captian and command squad so an army of roughly 25 Marines will cost the better part of 1300 points or more with ware gear easily bridging the gap to reach a 1500 point mark.

But that in my eyes is the point a challenge to play to see if so few can do the task of many where every death cripples your plans and a few unlucky dice rolls can cost you dearly, how fun would it be to play against swarm armies like Orks or Nids even Tau and Eldar of chaos Daemons, a turly epic fight and one to remember each and every-time they grace the board!

Hmmm.... would have to see them fight some standard config armies to check the rule balance... but the are interesting.

I have finally gotten my buddy at GW to send me the data sheet for the LoTD and it is this official rule set and I will probably follow for this army, though I'm a little annoyed at the lack of an actual Legion unit in this list these rule are at least official and would allow me to field the unit in a formal manner.

I would like to add the new legion unit to it and come up with some fluff style to allow their inclusion, from what I can gander the new SM codex was not in circulation when these rules were drawn up and so this may have been an oversight.

As the list stands the legion may take

Sergent Centurius as the army commander (thought they give no rules for him and suggest just using a commanders rules)
0-1 command Squad
Terminator Squads
1 + Tactical Squads
0-1 Dreadnaught (though as these are not SM 5th ed based listings it does not say what type)

and have the following special rules:
Fearless
Feel no Pain
Strike force (which is a form of deep strike)
Terrifying
all for the cost of the Squad/Character +100 points


These rules contradict the current SM codex who have them as:
Fearless
Unyielding Specters (Invulnerable Saves instead of no pain)
Aid un-looked for (renamed Strike Force rule)
Slow and Purposeful

I need some suggestions here what would you use/do can you see a way to combine the lists and what would you consider a viable points cost to do so.

I was working on 65 points per squad which is the difference between same type units but would happily pay the 100 points value even though this make a Tactical Squad over 65% more expensive for fearless and a Inv Save) my concern is what value can you put on the Inv Saving throws keeping in mind the heavy restrictions on the army as is. Now that said Terminator armor is bad ass enough as is without adding an overriding Inv save.

So with that in mind the feel no pain seems a more reasonable option or perhaps like the Black Templar's list where they can gain the 5+ invulnerable save against ranged attacks (some sort of cover save bonus but can't help charge everything) I'm looking for compromise a nice agreeable middle ground.

So tell me Dakka World what do you think?

@ Git - I tested the army rules Vs an imperial Guard force of 1500 points and was badly beaten the shear mass of saving throws I needed to roll eventually overwhelmed the army in 4 turns. I did do some nice damage to the guard removing a Leman Russ tank in turn 2 and wiping a sentinel detachment in turn 3 which is where I have learned the Devastator Squad is a nasty piece of work!, I'm going to test the army using feel no pain tonight and see how it pans out though I'm expecting a similar result as far as casualties go.

Yeah, elite armies always have problems with hoard armies... might be more useful as far as judging balance to fight another more elite army.. SMs, Eldar, Necrons or Tau.

Gitsplitta wrote:Yeah, elite armies always have problems with hoard armies... might be more useful as far as judging balance to fight another more elite army.. SMs, Eldar, Necrons or Tau.

Well the result using feel no pain was basically the same I lost a few extra guys in turn 3 but in the end a total wipe.

I'll try the rules Vs marines and see how they go but so far I'm now leaning towards Feel no Pain for two reasons it allows more units in the army (Termies mainly which is awesome from a converting PoV)
and it seems more reasonable a rule to have across an entire army than the 3+ Inv save just not so happy with the massive points increase from +65 to +100 but you do gain Terrifying so maybe it's not so bad.

Da Dark Angelz could have a go - 34 models at 1000pts is reasonably elite (for Orks...)

Yes they sure could "Ave a go" but only if you don't mind blue tac holding them together cause that's the only way it works right now until they are finished haha.

It's a great decision to keep your army as true to rules as possible.

Have you found any Rules for Centurius, they did actually post some in an old white dwarf.

usukgoose wrote:It's a great decision to keep your army as true to rules as possible.

Have you found any Rules for Centurius, they did actually post some in an old white dwarf.

Yes I did I got a scanned clip from the WD he's 200 points and has a Chapter Masters stat bar (basically)

The skull he carries has two powers one it casts smite instead of shooting and two for every kill to smite he can resurrect one lost legion marine per turn.
Beyond that he's got a chain-sword that counts as a power weapon (like the old frost blades for SW).

Other than that he has the same Legion rules as a normal trooper.