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lol, nice.

Another update; Eversor Assassins receive + d6 attacks when within 24 inches of a Vindicare Assassin and Female Farseer;

WRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Kroothawk wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:Updated---Vindicare still retains his ability to target specific models in units.

Another update: Vindicare must now pass a leadership test if they want to shoot female farseers

Alpharius wrote:It never ceases to amaze me that there are people out there that are amazed when there are people out there upset that their army (the product of a lot of blood, sweat, tears and money) is about to be rendered unplayable (maybe) and/or greatly changed when a new Codex arrives.

DOUBLY so for something as unique and individual as the two Inquisition Codices.

Should we be surprised when GW does this?

No.

Should we be a bit more sympathetic to those going through it?

Yes.

Thanks Alpharius. I guess I will just have to play the old witchhunters book now, or buy some greyknights so I can make my elite slot with stormtroopers. I HATE using named characters, so people saying "You can take them if you take (Insert named character here)" dont help.

AlexHolker wrote:

fatty wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:for the sake of their least original army

yeah cose the dont have a other space marine book................ there are 100000000000000000000000000000000 milion space marine codexes out there and you call the TK army not original? there is no army that takes on the awesomness of the acient egyptiens.

Except, you know, the Ancient Egyptians.

yes but if you want too take it that way.
Empire is based off germany
dark elves are based off Holland united East trading company and pirats so are dark eldar
space wolfs are based off norwegen/vikings
IG are based of ww2 companies
ogre kindoms are based off japanese mytholiagy ( i know wrong spelling) just as skaven
in the fluff of fantasy you have the island of Nippon which is japanese for Japan
bretonnia is based off france/english

and so the list goes on. with original i mean that there isnt another codex about the race out there. not that they are originaly thoughed up by GW. and be honest how many space marine codexes are there? and yes i find the DH a cross between space marines and imperial guard.

whens the release?

It depends upon which one, who doesn't have a clue, you speak to.

Not a single part of this thread is confirmed as true; it is all speculation and hype and conjecture with people quoting as fact what a friend told a friend who heard from his friend.

It would be extremely funny if the next release was Necrons or Orks just to see the extremeism of those who purport to know the truth burst blood vessels in rage.

At first I was excited that the rumors were being compiled and maybe leaning towards a little more "truth" that GK were going to be the next release. Now, I get excited to watch those of us who have no clue but think we have a clue about a clue concerning the clue that GW is going to release the GK next. Even better are those of us that get angry and defense and then post it when others dont fall in step with perception instead of fact. (I realized I just confused myself).

Note: If your going to post a rumor, please, please put down a reference and not another GW redshirt guy said this, or my brothers aunt's, cousin, step-brother's brother-in-law, once heard that GK were next. At least if you have a legit reference, we can give you less crap about it not being or being true.

shrike wrote:no storm troopers? aw. Go do IG. next!
I am happy of the no ISTs. i'm fed up of
"I do GK"
"really? cool! how many TAGK's do you have?"
"None! all stormtroopers"
""
"what?"
"why don't you just do IG?"
"because GK are cool"
"then why not do GK?!"
"I do"
""
"what?"
" you."

+100000000000

Father Gabe wrote:Note: If your going to post a rumor, please, please put down a reference and not another GW redshirt guy said this, or my brothers aunt's, cousin, step-brother's brother-in-law, once heard that GK were next.

If you are going to post a rumour, please give full name and address of the leak, so the GW guys reading this thread can immediately fire said person
Thanks for helping GW to improve its viral anti-marketing campaign

fatty wrote:

yes but if you want too take it that way.
Empire is based off germany
dark elves are based off Holland united East trading company and pirats so are dark eldar
space wolfs are based off norwegen/vikings
IG are based of ww2 companies
ogre kindoms are based off japanese mytholiagy ( i know wrong spelling) just as skaven
in the fluff of fantasy you have the island of Nippon which is japanese for Japan
bretonnia is based off france/english

Well yea
Never heard of the holland part. i thought they're just evil elven pirates
Dont forget that they are Space Marines and are werewolves in space
IG are based off of any human force. From stone age to cyberpunk dystopia. That doesnt make them any more original though I suppose
Ogres have a distinct Mongolian twist to them methinks with their raids to cathay. Plus they're powered by space radiation or something
Dont forget Cathay and Indus. Heck we also have Araby. Cant get more original than that
And a bunch of King Arthur. Legends of some english king from anywhere between the fall of rome to the 1400's, romanticized by french authors. They're probably being mind controlled by Wood Elves though. If the fluff hasnt been outdated yet the coastal areas are more inclined to the British Empire of the sea with the best navy in the old world and ports all the way to cathay

AgeOfEgos wrote:Updated---Vindicare still retains his ability to target specific models in units.

If that rumor of "Loses Inv. save for the game" is true.....freaking ouch.

Iron Halos, Thunder Lord Storm Shields/Belt of Russ, Daemon Princes (Especially Tzeentch), Sanguinor, Hidden beatsticks inside units...etc

I think you missed, ASSUMING THAT THE SHEILDBREAKER RUMOUR IS TRUE, the units that will suffer most from this rule:
- Eldar Farseers (Eldrad), who not only rely on non-conventional invulnerable saves (screwed by Imperial tech how?!) but this is their only save.
- Dark Eldar Archons, 2++ save = gone. Much more fragile without it.

People are really freaking out over the dread knights and not even asking the big questions.

What's the T?

EW yes or no?

Kroothawk wrote:

Father Gabe wrote:Note: If your going to post a rumor, please, please put down a reference and not another GW redshirt guy said this, or my brothers aunt's, cousin, step-brother's brother-in-law, once heard that GK were next.

If you are going to post a rumour, please give full name and address of the leak, so the GW guys reading this thread can immediately fire said person
Thanks for helping GW to improve its viral anti-marketing campaign

Darn it, not as slick as I thought I was.

if the majority of this is true, then my move to fantasy was well timed, the end times are upon us fellow brothers and sisters of chaos.

yes they are. My only hopes are:
Doesn't become as ey as SW and BA
Doesn't make me TFG
Doesn't gather lots of noobs from SM
If the Vindicare has the shieldbreaker rule...ouch.
If most of the rumours are true, my army will consist of:

30 PAGK (say roughly 700pts)
10 TAGK (roughly 500pts)
grand master/brother-captain/GK SC (roughly 200pts)
inquisitor (roughly 100pts)
vindicare (roughly 100pts)
2 stormravens (roughly 400pts)
2 dreadknights (roughly 200pts)
dread (roughly 100pts)
LR redeemer (roughy 250pts)
callidus (roughly 100pts)
deverstator equivalent (roughly 200pts)
10 assault marine equivalents (roughly 300pts)
and that's my pure GK apoc. force.

Well, my prayers for tonight will be IG, Necrons or any other darned race just so I can watch several hundred people crying like babies about how unfair it is and how GW obviously hate everybody.

Ebay here we come as people sell their GK in disgust! Oh yes, 1 squad of GK terminators for a penny. Back of the net!

You think itd be viable to field an almost All terminator force? I like terminators

I hope the rumour about the special character allowing termies as troops is true, Although Im still gunna need PAGK so I can spam bs4 storm bolters.

Sadly Id be lucky to get a 30 man force with the way these points are going.


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Also, in the picture with the eversor (wrrrrryyyyy!!!!) has anyone ever noticed the fans below the GK termie?

Jaon wrote:

shrike wrote:no storm troopers? aw. Go do IG. next!
I am happy of the no ISTs. i'm fed up of
"I do GK"
"really? cool! how many TAGK's do you have?"
"None! all stormtroopers"
""
"what?"
"why don't you just do IG?"
"because GK are cool"
"then why not do GK?!"
"I do"
""
"what?"
" you."

+100000000000

Hey shrike. Heard you like Raven Guard. Want to take Assault marines as troops? You could use the BA codex, but too bad! Use the SM book!

Honestly, us inquisition players wanted to play fun armies with lots of customization. They were small, they hit hard, and no two armies looked the same. The fact that they invalidated another army type kinda leaves people like me and HBMC in the dust. What if this was with another codex, like an all assault squad BA army (Hypothetically). Would it be fair to the people who had put time and money into that all assault squad army, as well as painting them as BA, to say "Well, go play SM then and stop whining". No, it wouldn't. Be nice to the people who have essentially had their army invalidated.

kenshin620 wrote:

fatty wrote:

yes but if you want too take it that way.
Empire is based off germany
dark elves are based off Holland united East trading company and pirats so are dark eldar
space wolfs are based off norwegen/vikings
IG are based of ww2 companies
ogre kindoms are based off japanese mytholiagy ( i know wrong spelling) just as skaven
in the fluff of fantasy you have the island of Nippon which is japanese for Japan
bretonnia is based off france/english

Well yea
Never heard of the holland part. i thought they're just evil elven pirates
Dont forget that they are Space Marines and are werewolves in space
IG are based off of any human force. From stone age to cyberpunk dystopia. That doesnt make them any more original though I suppose
Ogres have a distinct Mongolian twist to them methinks with their raids to cathay. Plus they're powered by space radiation or something
Dont forget Cathay and Indus. Heck we also have Araby. Cant get more original than that
And a bunch of King Arthur. Legends of some english king from anywhere between the fall of rome to the 1400's, romanticized by french authors. They're probably being mind controlled by Wood Elves though. If the fluff hasnt been outdated yet the coastal areas are more inclined to the British Empire of the sea with the best navy in the old world and ports all the way to cathay

well the dark elves do import stuff like slaves, food, clothing from differet parts of the world just like the old hollanders did with boat very important boats. the ogres are part of japanese bedtime stories if you dont listen too your parents or wonder of in the night the ogres will get down from there mountains and eat you.

Elmodiddly wrote:It depends upon which one, who doesn't have a clue, you speak to.

Not a single part of this thread is confirmed as true; it is all speculation and hype and conjecture with people quoting as fact what a friend told a friend who heard from his friend.

It would be extremely funny if the next release was Necrons or Orks just to see the extremeism of those who purport to know the truth burst blood vessels in rage.

Id be quite happy if it was Necrons. As much as Im looking froward to the new GKT plastics, Im nto building an army og GK, but I am Necrons.

according to my local games workshops manager GK vehicles will have psy powers to increase their armour values.

I doubt that, unless you have to cast them each turn with a chance of damage to the vehicle? It may negate stunned and shaken, but 13-13-11 dreadnoughts, and what could possibley be 15-15-15 land raiders (is that against the rules?) as well as 13-11-11 chimeras, to OP, unless its like a 30 point vehicle upgrade.

guys- should I get a squad of the current metal TAGK? I know plastics are coming out, but I love the models!
Worth it?
Will the models be different? I doubt it, since they are GW's best minis, but still...

If that DreadKnight is true, then Jesus I am sold already on this. And I just started Dark Eldar :(

shrike wrote:guys- should I get a squad of the current metal TAGK? I know plastics are coming out, but I love the models!
Worth it?
Will the models be different? I doubt it, since they are GW's best minis, but still...

Bad Idea, the new models will be even better. Go take a look at some Blood Angels Sanguinary Guard, and know that GK will look awesome. Current TAGK are smaller than what the plastics will be, they may look out of place. If you are found wanting after the release, by all means buy them (and eat a bolt to the face from the nearest commissar ) but wait for now, I implore you.


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I also believe the models HAVE to be different, even if its only slight. Metal casts cannot be used for plastic miniatures. Correct if wrong.

Unlikely that they will be the same, likely to be just as awesome and featuring the same basic poses and ALL the old GK stuff like the TAGK shouldershield and the little sword on the centre of their chest and such. Worry not. All is well.

Cant wait to chop up some CSM with them!

HERETIC!!! *bolt pistol to the face*.
I don't like the sanguard models...the sculpting is good, but I don't like the glaive encarmines- too varied.

fatty wrote:dark elves are based off Holland united East trading company and pirats so are dark eldar

Did you make this up yourself

To be honest I don't see any trading company resemblances.

Jaon wrote:

shrike wrote:guys- should I get a squad of the current metal TAGK? I know plastics are coming out, but I love the models!
Worth it?
Will the models be different? I doubt it, since they are GW's best minis, but still...

Bad Idea, the new models will be even better. Go take a look at some Blood Angels Sanguinary Guard, and know that GK will look awesome. Current TAGK are smaller than what the plastics will be, they may look out of place. If you are found wanting after the release, by all means buy them (and eat a bolt to the face from the nearest commissar ) but wait for now, I implore you.


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I also believe the models HAVE to be different, even if its only slight. Metal casts cannot be used for plastic miniatures. Correct if wrong.

Unlikely that they will be the same, likely to be just as awesome and featuring the same basic poses and ALL the old GK stuff like the TAGK shouldershield and the little sword on the centre of their chest and such. Worry not. All is well.

Cant wait to chop up some CSM with them!

Ill agree with you on a couple things. The new TAGK will be nice, no doubt. Ill say changes wont be huge, but will be noticeable. They should be similar enough to use together. On that note i say get some metal ones if you like them, but save some $$ for the new ones too.

As far as using the molds...you can probably pour melted plastic into a mold meant for metal, but I doubt it would work well. You CAN NOT put a mold meant for metal into a plastic injection molding machine. First, the mold has to be made to fit and mount in the machine. Second...most metal is molded under very low pressure, if any. Plastic is injected into a mold at pressures sometimes exceeding 25,000 psi. That kind of pressure would blow a mold meant for metal into pieces.

And, there is NO guarantee that the new models will be better.

Don't get me wrong, I think they'll be great BUT, sometimes you never know.

I few recent releases have been very disappointing...

Bottom line is, if you really like the current models, and you can get them for a good price, why not?

Even if the new ones are Awesomeness Personified, you can still salt in a squad or two, right?

Only me wondering where the Grey Knight techmarines went hiding?

All SM have tecchies to tend to vehicles in and outside of combat so what happens with GK vehicles (that are undoubtedly even more advanced/rare/important) that get damaged in the field?
What GK character tends to those?

good point. orks have 'em, IG have 'em, SM have 'em, SW have 'em, BA have 'em- why don't GK have 'em?