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Kanluwen wrote:

Shas'O Dorian wrote:Someone please tell me the hardback is a limited release thing. I really don't want to start spending $40 per armybook. I mean the current $30 is enough to stop me from buying them just to read.

33 more pages than the current Orcs & Goblin book, with the entire book being done in full color.
There's going to be a price bump if even just one case from those two parts had come to pass, not a price drop.

And companies wonder why they lose money to internet piracy. . . I don't even see it as piracy anymore I see it as a case of robin-hood.

You do realize that Robin Hood wasn't stealing things for his own gain, right?

And that the whole point of the story of Robin Hood was about the tyranny of monarchs, nothing that can remotely be compared to a free market and bad business strategies.

Yes I understand that there needs to be a price jump because they did it in full color & added some pages. However I don't feel they needed to do that in the first place.

You are over analyzing the robin-hood metaphor. I know it's not perfect but I see $40 for an overly flashy army book too steep. I used to be someone who would buy every codex / armybook just to read the stories on the characters & the army. I find this no longer viable now that the price has DOUBLED in under 2 years. True they went to hardcover, tossed in some more pages & made it full color. If they wanted to do a limited $40 coletors edition & drop back to the softcovers after I'd be perfectly happy.
Mainly because I saw nothing wrong with the old ones. The SM codex went from the usual $20 to $25 because it had a LOT more, ok I understand you wanted to add more to the game & are charging more for that cost. Then they all went to $30. . ok inflation, shipping cost ect. I'll slow down on buying them but i can understand. Now it seems they are making change for the sake of change. The softcover ones work fine. People complain about durability, then take care of your things. I have 3rd ed 40k codexes still in prime condition & they were frequently used. I don't understand, or support, the changes & price increase and as such I will be turning to alternative methods to read the stories. To pseudo-quote Ivan Chesnokov: "Why you book? Book was fine."

I'll wait and see what's in the book before I pass judgement. D'n'D books are around that price but they are pretty content heavy.

That spider is one of the absolute best looking monster miniatures I've ever seen, and less expensive than I feared. Wurrzag is very cool too.

Not a big fan of the computer animated muscled torsos of the Savage Orc Boar riders though.

I'd like to know what new units and options there are?

Other than a giant honking spider and Goblin Assassins, you mean?

If you look across the industry £22.50 is actually quite reasonable.

That spider is quite lovely. Sans all those stupid goblin bits it would look awesome.

Is it possible to make an army of just spiders and river trolls (also lovely), perhaps led by a Shaman. Can giant spiders make power attacks?

George Spiggott wrote:If you look across the industry £22.50 is actually quite reasonable.

That spider is quite lovely. Sans all those stupid goblin bits it would look awesome.

Is it possible to make an army of just spiders and river trolls (also lovely), perhaps led by a Shaman. Can giant spiders make power attacks?

army of spiders sounds too good to be true

Currently, you can get Spider Riders as core, so it could be possible. We won't know til we see the new book though.

Wow. I don't even collect greenskins, and I want that frakking huge spider! It is everything I hoped a house-sized arachnid topped by screaming gobbos would be. <3

Also, I am impressed with the army book. It's not too expensive, it looks to be content heavy, and as a hardback it shouldn't fall apart as quickly as the paperback ones. Also, I can use it as a rest for paper when I'm writing/drawing, which is always a bonus for me.

....kind of saddens me that the High Elf one isn't hardback too. :(

Just noticed that there is apparently a new Goblin character named "Gitilla Da Hunter".

Interesting. I wonder if they're making him similar to the Squig Hunters in WAR?

Shas'o Dorian wrote:You are over analyzing the robin-hood metaphor. I know it's not perfect but I see $40 for an overly flashy army book too steep.

It's a terrible metaphor that you used in a context to try to justify internet piracy. The army book isn't something that is essential to your everyday survival or livelihood.

Kanluwen wrote:

Shas'o Dorian wrote:You are over analyzing the robin-hood metaphor. I know it's not perfect but I see $40 for an overly flashy army book too steep.

It's a terrible metaphor that you used in a context to try to justify internet piracy. The army book isn't something that is essential to your everyday survival or livelihood.

I have to agree, there is nothing noble about downloading a book that you don't need, just because you don't want to pay the people who made it. I mean, sure, do it if you want, but don't try to dress it up as 'for the better good,' cos it's not. Unless of course you are intending to make food out of the downloads and hand it out to starving orphans, or something.

Kanluwen wrote:Just noticed that there is apparently a new Goblin character named "Gitilla Da Hunter".

Interesting. I wonder if they're making him similar to the Squig Hunters in WAR?

I didn't noticed that, but judging from the name he sounds like it could be a Hobgoblin since the Huns (and his name is an obvious spin on Attila the Hun) have always reminded me of Mongolians, the basis of the Hobgoblins.

I'm not going to get my hopes up, but I'd love it if they reintroduced Forest Goblins to go along with that giant new spider and the spider riders we already have. Beyond that, they'd look great in an army together with the new Savage Orcs. Perhaps this Gitilla fellow could be one of them.

Many 40k Ork player may now have thoughts about collecting a Feral Ork/Snakebite army...me included.

30% price hike? for what? For text that now have "funny" borders but are still all black and white? In some countries like Australia and Russian tnx to hard cover this already not so cheap book will become even more pricy... and after all, lots of people reading that books not so often - thanks to programms like army builder and etc.

as for that big spider, all i can say is...

HO-LY SHIP... want very badly.

that thing is going to be my Tervigon. to heck with the conversion kits, super-expensive Russian models, and converting Carifexes. that thing was MADE to be spawning little gaunts. totally gonna pre-order that.

-C6

catharsix wrote:as for that big spider, all i can say is...

HO-LY SHIP... want very badly.

that thing is going to be my Tervigon. to heck with the conversion kits, super-expensive Russian models, and converting Carifexes. that thing was MADE to be spawning little gaunts. totally gonna pre-order that.

-C6

I was thinking tryanofex myself, but hmmmm

Loving the Wurrzag and Arachnarok models! Not crazy about a hardcover book since its not exactly an optional purchase...

Whirling death? Seriously...?

"Whirling Death" is just them moving the Night Goblin Fanatics from packs of one to three.

"Whirling Death" is just them moving the Night Goblin Fanatics from packs of one to three.

Yeah, just sounds kind of corny...

At least now the stupid "Fanatics are being removed from the army" rumors can stop.

The price hike to hardback is $8.25.

$8.25 is not a big deal if we are getting a better product, especially in a hobby thats.

$8.25 won't even noticeable to a player starting a savage ork army with the new plastics.

I for one am very willing to pay $8.25 for a superior product, especially as $37.25 for a hardback is less of a rip off than 29.00 for a soft back.

That is unless the hardback book is an inferior product in comparison to the current army books. If the spine breaks and the pages flop out I'm sure I won't be the only one that will end up pissed off about paying more money for an inferior product.

It's all good as long if the book's spine is high quality, and that's a big if.

The spider looks great, and to be honest, I like all the new O&G models. Not sure I like the paint job on the boars though.

As for the book, a little bit more mixed. I really do hope they plan on offering a soft cover version for practical reasons. As for the price, since GW is advertising a hard back full color army book which is what PP offers as well, we seem to have an opportunity to do an apples to apples comparison on value. PP forces of Kador hardcover book is $0.31 per page US compared to $0.36 per page US for the GW O&G hardcover book for about a 16% difference in price. Assuming that a lot of the content of the O&G book will be recycled (Art, flavor text, etc.) then it would seem that the book has a GW brand price premium built in since on it's face it is a poor value vis-a-vis the PP product offerings. But then we already knew that, right?

I like the look of whats in the bottom left hand corne. Wonder what it is?

That is the SAvage orc spear thingy according to rumors D3 impact hits or D3 Wounds.

Looks awesome.

Presonally if they would like to give that sort of treatment to my high elf book I'd gladly pay.

schadenfreude wrote:The price hike to hardback is $8.25.

$8.25 is not a big deal if we are getting a better product, especially in a hobby thats.

$8.25 won't even noticeable to a player starting a savage ork army with the new plastics.

I for one am very willing to pay $8.25 for a superior product, especially as $37.25 for a hardback is less of a rip off than 29.00 for a soft back.

That is unless the hardback book is an inferior product in comparison to the current army books. If the spine breaks and the pages flop out I'm sure I won't be the only one that will end up pissed off about paying more money for an inferior product.

It's all good as long if the book's spine is high quality, and that's a big if.

Agreed on all of it. Most companies that have paperback and hardcovered books charge alot more for it. Add to that its color and more pages. $8.25 more for that is significantly better than the bad deal we had before.

The simple fact is GW wanted more money. In the past they'd have simply raised the price. This time instead they atleast chose to give us something for it. This is a one or the other situation. GW wants us to pay $37, so we can pay $37 for a nicer hard bound book or $37 for exactly the same.

I'm thinking feral orks for 40k

One word (though one word is not enough): WOW!!!

That Spider is way better than expected! The new Savage boyz look awesome! And so do the Shaman! And the Rulebook cover looks awesome! And we get battle magic cards! ALL MY DREAMS HAVE COME TRUE!!

Oh, and the prices are actually FAIR!

(I really gotta calm down)

_Tim?

Lord of Deeds wrote:
The spider looks great, and to be honest, I like all the new O&G models. Not sure I like the paint job on the boars though.

As for the book, a little bit more mixed. I really do hope they plan on offering a soft cover version for practical reasons. As for the price, since GW is advertising a hard back full color army book which is what PP offers as well, we seem to have an opportunity to do an apples to apples comparison on value. PP forces of Kador hardcover book is $0.31 per page US compared to $0.36 per page US for the GW O&G hardcover book for about a 16% difference in price. Assuming that a lot of the content of the O&G book will be recycled (Art, flavor text, etc.) then it would seem that the book has a GW brand price premium built in since on it's face it is a poor value vis-a-vis the PP product offerings. But then we already knew that, right?

The posts and blurbs seem indicate all-new or mostly new art. I haven't seen any recycled stuff just yet from the pictures, but we'll see how it goes.

I think that as a gaming tome for an army, $37 isn't totally out of line. What this does do is limit the desire to own complete collections. Eh, if they do this for 40k I'll probably still buy them.

One way or the other, it makes starting an army that much more expensive...

Spider is great.

$37 for a hardback army book is not.