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Spider looks really, really good. There may be a tyrannofex locked up in there somewhere. Am still going to liquidate my O&G, however.

jgemrich wrote:I swear if GW included a certificate for a 'date' with a porn star in a release there would still be complaints.

Undoubtedly, but that doesn't mean complaints can't be valid. If said porn star were, say, a gentleman that performs in "bear" videos, you might be less excited about that "date"...

As for hardback, I'm all for it after watching my space marine codex fall apart the first week of purchase.

Hardbacks aren't necessarily more durable in the spine. They tend to be, but anybody with an original copy of Rogue Trader will tell you how well that hard back held up.

As for the releases, the spider is really cool, the savage orks are cool but really make me realize how deep some ranges are when O&G now have over a half dozen plastic core choices (with different kits). As always, it's a great time to play an army that GW is pushing.

The hardback codex frustrates me. I have no problem paying for content, but but I'm going to need to take a look at it to see if I feel that it's worth collecting on its own.

Destrado wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:Well damn GW for making all spiders goofy but the rest of the model is sweet so yes a must buy... I could have got 3 of these but model not as good as I espected so only one for me.

I wonder if you will... when I saw it I thought you'd get two or three to convert

I like the releases, but a hardback book will be a bit complicated. Price-wise amongst other things, I'd be nice if for every hardback they also sold (or the HB came with) a smaller booklet, ala BRB/Small rule book.

Will only get one, not 2 not 3 just one!

Who I'm I kidding...

Theres lots of potential in that kit

Polonius wrote:Undoubtedly, but that doesn't mean complaints can't be valid. If said porn star were, say, a gentleman that performs in "bear" videos, you might be less excited about that "date"...

What's a 'bear' video... or do I not want to know?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Polonius wrote:Undoubtedly, but that doesn't mean complaints can't be valid. If said porn star were, say, a gentleman that performs in "bear" videos, you might be less excited about that "date"...

What's a 'bear' video... or do I not want to know?

You don't want to know. Think 'fur' but in a human sense...

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Polonius wrote:Undoubtedly, but that doesn't mean complaints can't be valid. If said porn star were, say, a gentleman that performs in "bear" videos, you might be less excited about that "date"...

What's a 'bear' video... or do I not want to know?

Imagine two women making out and boobs popping out all over the place. Now replace the women with two fat, naked, hairy men fighting over a sausage.

What type of sausag... ooooooohhhhhhhhh! Right. That type.

Gotcha.

Gonna go mindscrub the last few seconds of my memory away and then go to bed...

NAVARRO wrote:

Will only get one, not 2 not 3 just one!

Who I'm I kidding...

Theres lots of potential in that kit

Agreed... almost makes me sorry I didn't buy the 3 or 4 spider rider boxes I saw for 8 euros a piece

If I ever play fantasy I'll probably get one! And you, start buying & converting!

I did not predict this thread turning towards this conversation...


Personally, I think it seems like a pretty damn strong fantasy release; gives me some hope for the future.
I think the Army Book looks pretty good too, not extortionately expensive either.

Good luck to anyone assembling that Spider though! Or are we supposed to refer to it as an 'arachnarok' now?

jgemrich wrote:I swear if GW included a certificate for a 'date' with a porn star in a release there would still be complaints.

Here's my take on the price point: everybody that's interesting O&G, or anybody that's hard core into fantasy is going to pick it up. I don't play fantasy, so it's enough to make me pass immediately.

I do buy all of the 40k codices. At $37, I might rethink it. I'm imagining they figure their army book audience is mostly made up of die hards. I know I'd pay nearly any price for a new book for one of my armies.

Strikes of yet another short-term cash grab, probably started with some bean-counter going:

"Hey Jeff, our customers only ever buy one Codex book right? Well... let's make 'em more expensive then. I mean, if we're only going to sell one to each customer, might as well make as money money as we can."

Just to compare what the 40K codexes were costing, I looked them up after seeing the Orc/Goblin armybook on the GW site. Heck, when did codexes go up to $29?!?!?! I thought they were $25.

And then, how much of the art is recycled old artwork vs new?

Cool looking models, but not enough to get me wanting to play Fantasy.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Strikes of yet another short-term cash grab, probably started with some bean-counter going:

"Hey Jeff, our customers only ever buy one Codex book right? Well... let's make 'em more expensive then. I mean, if we're only going to sell one to each customer, might as well make as money money as we can."

If it's backed up by market research, it's probably not a bad idea. I mean, for them, not us.


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Sarigar wrote:Cool looking models, but not enough to get me wanting to play Fantasy.

Except for this: at some point, the barrier of entry kicks in, right? Eventually GW will price stuff so high it stops people from getting into the hobby/game/army, right?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

gr1m_dan wrote:After all the bashing GW has received I am utterly shocked at how well priced the army book is!!!

I hope my Tau codex gets hardback now :-D

It's a 33% price hike with no additional pages. Less than I thought but still rude.

You must have a different Orcs & Goblins army book than I do.

Mine only goes to page 79.

Now, does that extra 33 pages justify the price jump?
Time will tell, for me at least. If it's all nicely done and full of background/painting schemes ala the Heraldry books?

Then it's worth an extra bit of my hard-earned money.

jgemrich wrote:I swear if GW included a certificate for a 'date' with a porn star in a release there would still be complaints.

Regarless, great release. The spider is fantastic and I love how the SO boar boyz are sitting up vs hunched like the new boar boyz.

As for hardback, I'm all for it after watching my space marine codex fall apart the first week of purchase.

Actually I dont think there would be a complaint on that one...just saying


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just read the bear comment...i retract my statement...ick.

On a positive note, full color book would be nice but still a 33% price hike for artwork that will probably be at least 50% recycled is a downer. Perhaps if they added additional pages and content, I would be more impressed. Once again, the spider is amazing. I have no need for it but that model would be great as a showcase piece.

Spider's cool. Savage boys too. Still don't care for the Jimmy Durante boars though.

And I don't need a more expensive hardback army book, thanks.

That spider is very much becoming my deff dread.

Given the choice, I would prefer softcover. Hard covers, particularly in mass, are heavy.

Makov wrote:Can't...start...another...army...

Can't...start...another...system!

Those models are beautiful! I played WHFB about 7 years ago and this is sure making me want to get back into it!

*GW company men smile devilishly*

Father Gabe wrote:

jgemrich wrote:I swear if GW included a certificate for a 'date' with a porn star in a release there would still be complaints.

Regarless, great release. The spider is fantastic and I love how the SO boar boyz are sitting up vs hunched like the new boar boyz.

As for hardback, I'm all for it after watching my space marine codex fall apart the first week of purchase.

Actually I dont think there would be a complaint on that one...just saying


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just read the bear comment...i retract my statement...ick.

On a positive note, full color book would be nice but still a 33% price hike for artwork that will probably be at least 50% recycled is a downer. Perhaps if they added additional pages and content, I would be more impressed. Once again, the spider is amazing. I have no need for it but that model would be great as a showcase piece.

Again:
This upcoming book is 112 pages.

The current book is 79 pages.
That's 33 more pages.

Does it justify the 1% price up per page? Dunno yet, haven't seen the inside pages.

Oh, damn. My O&G army explicitly failed to include anything 'savage'-looking (no savage orcs, spider-riders, wolf-riders). Partially because I didn't like the look of the models, partially because they were mostly metals (well, the orc side of things at least), and partially because the 8th ed rules made them a bit duff, generally.

Now, suddenly, an onslaught of genuinely lovely-looking savage models and an awesome giant spider (though I still don't really like the generic spider-rider models). And, I note, finally a way for orcs to field an affordable archer force, albeit a savage one. I fear I may be getting a secondary force of o&g in the future...

Big ups for all the savage orcses, and troopers in plastic no less!! Brings me back to that same crossroads, where 10 years ago I said no to a savage army, because it was metal and expensive as hell ...

(Note: Unfortunately expensive armybook aside, the $29-for-10 savages makes me sad, but then I'm thinking they're probably slotted as 'elite troops' and not core troops, which actually puts them in the same bracket as flagellants and grave guard. Also, $2.90 a model beats the $50-for-10 or whatever the metal bastards cost )

So yea, can't wait to be an idiot and start up an all savage army

- Salvage

I really want a giant spider, just to cut it up into some other unrecognizable monster. And I like the savage orcs, even though some of their muscles look they have hard edges to them.

Has anyone read the extra blurb at the bottom of each page? The savage boyz can get a big spear to do d3 impact hits on a charge or d3 wounds against big targets. This is both hilarious and awesome. I hope this will inspire my friend to expand his O&G beyond 1k.

I like the spider, especially with the catapult and the 'little' spiders. It's a bit hard to guess the scale of it as it only has gobbos on it. I'm not a fan of Savage Orcs so the rest is a bit meh. I like the look of the new Army book so I expect I'll just go for the book and cards. Shame that my Beastmen and Skaven were so recently done, it'll be ages before they get the new style book. I'm hoping for some Dwarves or Wood Elves next.

I am interested in how that spear will work - it looks like a Skaven weapon team idea to me.

Boss Salvage wrote:
So yea, can't wait to be an idiot and start up an all savage army

And he is reborn, as... Boss Savage...


I like the savage orc sculpts quite a bit. The big stabba got a chuckle, and looks to have some clever rules too. Gives me hope that the orc boyz will get resculpted to look halfway decent (hopefully in a second wave?). Squinting at the lores, it appears that some of the spells will be "boostable" and both big and little will have lore attributes (Power of Da Waagh and Sneaky Stealin' respectively), which is cool.

Ordered. I haven't been this excited for a pre order since Tyranids last year.

Time to dust off my old savage orcs and forest goblins. That Spider is amazingly cool and the savage orcs look great. I even think that spider kit may have a bright future as part of a conversion for my tyranids.

I remember reading a while back in the army list section about someone wanting to do an all spider rider army because he'd come into a large number of them. I do believe this giant spider has now made that idea much cooler.

That spider is one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen, now I just need to get £108 so I can buy 3

MegaDave wrote:I really want a giant spider, just to cut it up into some other unrecognizable monster. And I like the savage orcs, even though some of their muscles look they have hard edges to them.

I'm hoping that's due to the GW paint job on the minis, but I'll still probably pick up a unit for the big stabba and to add a little more variety to my boyz. I don't have any savage orcs any longer and this is actually making them financially acceptable to field.

The spider looks great to me too. I'm curious if the "lobber" has any special abilities since it seems to be firing great web bundles and small arachnids.