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The pose looks....... Painful.

Thought i would add a dissenting voice. Otherwise I love the basing/idea of it, i even like the huge scope.

i likie using the stormraven scouts for interesting poses. I've done that with those models myself. That particular leg layout is odd since it does look like a very painful position, but the model looks pretty good, love the base.

Geez Yggs, can't catch a break these last few days.

Cool to see the Scout. The scope is big for sure, but I've seen ridiculously huge scopes for military applications IRL and since everything seems to be even larger in the 41st millennium I think it'll be fine. Once it has some paint everything will come together and people will "ooooh" and "ahhhh" over the awesome OSL you'll do on it.

if im correct that scope is from the ork boyz sprue.

DarkStarSabre wrote:It's....big. Really big.

Almost bigger than the gun big.

Where's it from?

Actually I'm not sure, all I know is I got it from a bitz site... It might come for an Ork kit, but I am not sure of that...

inmygravenimage wrote:Scope looks like a standard scope, but overlarge, yeah. Maybe cut one from a scout bp? Great pose btw, is that the gunner from the LS Storm?

+1 to you, he's the one...

Gitsplitta wrote:I'm assuming he's an embedded reporter for French Television... it's just an unfortunate circumstance that his camera body resembles a heavy bolter.
(that's not a bad idea actually)
And yes, that is a MASSIVE scope. Great pose though.

French reporters tend to get taken hostage pretty quick, so I hope it's not what awaits him!!

whalemusic360 wrote:I like the pose, but especially on a "moving" model, I think the scope is just to big. Seems like one of those annoying over sized ones you see on DMRs sometimes.

Ha, nice pic!!! Even more so since it's a French FAMAS!!! I was actually thinking of something like this when I chose the scope... He's a scout after all, he can have some weird, over-specialized gear!!

HF Izanagi wrote:LOL... Great scout man. The scope is a bit OTT, maybe file the nub on top to thin it down- but I totally know what you're going for. I've seen that look on those hunting rifles, but main difference is the rifle has that length and extra barrel, even WM's example has a small barrel leading the front.

Pose is excellent. I like the fact that you have interaction between base and model, and instead of a standard base where everything clings to the base, it's up and "floating" (if that makes sense...? ) One thing though... question, actually, is the thing he's stepping on a mine? It looks like his weight is breaking into whatever his foot is shifting over.

Anyways, good stuff- are you going to continue with the grot stuff? Or was that just a primer? And looking forward to the scout getting painted- I like your scheme on your SMs.

-Remi (HF Iz)

I indeed wanted to work on Scouts based in a industrial, desert world, maybe hunting Orks, so most of the bits come from here... The thing he's stepping on is a "gear" or something from a Trukk kit, some bits an Ork-playing friend of mine gave me before I left... So it's not a mine!!! It is not glued yet, hence the weight of the scout making it bend over in the first pic.

As for the grot stuff... I might have a try at another one, when yakface's big project comes online... In a few weeks, maybe? But I have no ambition for a Grot army, it was just a piece for fun, which turned into a "techniques" experience!!
Thanks for the comment anyway, I've been a fan of your miniatures, so your stepping in here is a pleasure!

Gitsplitta wrote:LOL HF... I was about to make that observation but you beat me to it (the mine thing).

Git... As an Ork player, I cannot believe you got into this...

On a fluff note... I was thinking of adding a (very) few Ork parts on my Scouts, that they would use as "trophies" and "kamophlaaj" after an especially long, demanding and independant campaign. Do you think it might be ok? They might as well get slaughtered by their brethren when they make contact again, but would it be possible in the beginning? Even endorsed by the older, grizzled Scout Sergeants?
Could I push the concept even more, and have them adopt a Grot as their greenskin "Servitor", in a defiled mimic of their full-fledged battle brothers?

[warning : I'm not trolling people or asking for "wtf kill the heretic / purge the xenos!" type of answer; I'm asking if, given a sufficiently hard & isolated setting, aspirant SMs could turn on the brink of heresy by treading with Xenos... After all, the BAs did ally with Necrons ]

Thanks for the comments, Scout #2 is on its way!

Hey mate, it's (a) your army and (b) an infinite universe: go with it. I love the grot servitor idea. Trophy-wise, why not? I have one of my scouts brandishing a severed head that looks suspiciously like gitsplitta's avatar...

I think tropies or some kind of orkish camo would be a good idea. It would be hard however to add some grot servant -a good idea, but hard to make- not for background issues but for more visual reasons.
The problem would be to make the grot clearly appear as a servant and not an antagonist. Perhaps giving the grot some out of use scout equipment, to make clear he's trying to mimic his scout masters...

Oh, and I fully agree with inmygravenimage about the trophy

i have this image in my head of a pet grot, complete with a leash.

Scope looks lie it is the one from the Ork boys sprue

Graven has the right of it Yggs. I think it's entirely reasonable for scouts to adopt some orkish accessories, especially if they're operating in ork territory and are trying to go undetected. Trophies are certainly legitimate too. I think a grot servant is perfectly reasonable. Perhaps a grot rigger who was captured for interrogation but who was so obviously despising of his existing situation in the clan (and curious about the marine's gear) that they offer to spare his life & provide him with food & shelter if he works for them. Big step up for the grot as he probably would get treated much better by the scouts once he'd proven his usefulness than he ever was by his ork masters.

Yggdrasil wrote:

whalemusic360 wrote:I like the pose, but especially on a "moving" model, I think the scope is just to big. Seems like one of those annoying over sized ones you see on DMRs sometimes.

Ha, nice pic!!! Even more so since it's a French FAMAS!!! I was actually thinking of something like this when I chose the scope... He's a scout after all, he can have some weird, over-specialized gear!!

I did actually pick a FAMAS just for you. I googled "FAMAS massive scope", and that came up I was hoping by some cosmic coincidence that it was actually your gun

Sorry for the first 4 (Perkustin, Sageheart, Skalk, proto_X), I have been writing my reply from yesterday evening, so hadn't noticed yours!!!

Perkustin wrote:The pose looks....... Painful.

Thought i would add a dissenting voice. Otherwise I love the basing/idea of it, i even like the huge scope.

Thanks mate... But I fear that SM only assert pain as an information, not as something that would prevent you from monitoring your fire sector

Sageheart wrote:i likie using the stormraven scouts for interesting poses. I've done that with those models myself. That particular leg layout is odd since it does look like a very painful position, but the model looks pretty good, love the base.

I was hoping I would be the first one in the whole world to think about it, but obviously I was wrong lol... Agreed, those guys have great poses, I'm even tempted to roam the bits sites for more Scout awesomeness... Scout Bike Squadron add in a few interesting bits too...

Skalk Bloodaxe wrote:Geez Yggs, can't catch a break these last few days.

Cool to see the Scout. The scope is big for sure, but I've seen ridiculously huge scopes for military applications IRL and since everything seems to be even larger in the 41st millennium I think it'll be fine. Once it has some paint everything will come together and people will "ooooh" and "ahhhh" over the awesome OSL you'll do on it.

The "40k-larger-than-life" was quite what I had in mind actually... As for the paint, I think I'll be waiting for my white primer to arrive, hopefully in 2-3 weeks...

prototype_X wrote:if im correct that scope is from the ork boyz sprue.

Matt.Kingsley wrote:Scope looks lie it is the one from the Ork boys sprue

That's what I thought... Thanks for the confirmation!

inmygravenimage wrote:Hey mate, it's (a) your army and (b) an infinite universe: go with it. I love the grot servitor idea. Trophy-wise, why not? I have one of my scouts brandishing a severed head that looks suspiciously like gitsplitta's avatar...

Lol... Can we see that? Both reasons seem good enough, thanks!

Hyenajoe wrote:I think tropies or some kind of orkish camo would be a good idea. It would be hard however to add some grot servant -a good idea, but hard to make- not for background issues but for more visual reasons.
The problem would be to make the grot clearly appear as a servant and not an antagonist. Perhaps giving the grot some out of use scout equipment, to make clear he's trying to mimic his scout masters...

Oh, and I fully agree with inmygravenimage about the trophy

Having the grot trying to mimic a Scout looks fun... Actually, I was thinking of using a Big Shoota backpack, the one with a Snot or Grot on top (scale is in-between IMHO), holding an ammo belt in his hands... But your idea is great too! And he could scavenged some Imperial gear for himself!

prototype_X wrote:i have this image in my head of a pet grot, complete with a leash.

No SM other than Space Marines allowed here, sir!

Gitsplitta wrote:Graven has the right of it Yggs. I think it's entirely reasonable for scouts to adopt some orkish accessories, especially if they're operating in ork territory and are trying to go undetected. Trophies are certainly legitimate too. I think a grot servant is perfectly reasonable. Perhaps a grot rigger who was captured for interrogation but who was so obviously despising of his existing situation in the clan (and curious about the marine's gear) that they offer to spare his life & provide him with food & shelter if he works for them. Big step up for the grot as he probably would get treated much better by the scouts once he'd proven his usefulness than he ever was by his ork masters.

Maybe they're in psychological warfare, and use the Grot to collect information and deceive the Orks by providing false intelligence, and luring them into ambushes?
Or, better : in the Alpha Legion way, they set up cells of Gretchins working for them, plants seeds of rebellion among the Grot slaves in the Ork Camps, and supports their rebellions?
That could be the only way they found to crush the growing Waaagh on that world?

whalemusic360 wrote:

Yggdrasil wrote:Ha, nice pic!!! Even more so since it's a French FAMAS!!! I was actually thinking of something like this when I chose the scope... He's a scout after all, he can have some weird, over-specialized gear!!

I did actually pick a FAMAS just for you. I googled "FAMAS massive scope", and that came up I was hoping by some cosmic coincidence that it was actually your gun

Really??? Awesome!!! Sadly, mine is not as "modern" lol... And doesn't have that scope... Doesn't have any scope, actually... Erh... /end rant.

Yggdrasil wrote:Maybe they're in psychological warfare, and use the Grot to collect information and deceive the Orks by providing false intelligence, and luring them into ambushes?
Or, better : in the Alpha Legion way, they set up cells of Gretchins working for them, plants seeds of rebellion among the Grot slaves in the Ork Camps, and supports their rebellions?
That could be the only way they found to crush the growing Waaagh on that world?

Oh, I love that idea!! Fomenting grot rebellions to weaken a problem ork clan... excellent idea Yggs!

On a fluff note... I was thinking of adding a (very) few Ork parts on my Scouts, that they would use as "trophies" and "kamophlaaj" after an especially long, demanding and independant campaign. Do you think it might be ok? They might as well get slaughtered by their brethren when they make contact again, but would it be possible in the beginning? Even endorsed by the older, grizzled Scout Sergeants?
Could I push the concept even more, and have them adopt a Grot as their greenskin "Servitor", in a defiled mimic of their full-fledged battle brothers?

Go with it. The SWs have their talismans and such... and from the fluff of your Reaver sent to fight on Gitsplitta's Inq squad (yes, I read that letter- awesome fluff )... they're prone to taking "trophies", in the form of weapons... and by extension, body parts.

And good stuff about the gear- once it's "grounded" in the base, I"m certain it'll pull it together as a piece- the movie Aliens came to mind when I saw it (minus the slime-covered walls... so outer hive), and I"m sure he'll be excellent when he's finished up.

Thanks for the comment anyway, I've been a fan of your miniatures, so your stepping in here is a pleasure!

Not a problem- I could easily say the same of your projects. Keep them coming- it's one big circle of inspiration!

-Remi (HF Iz)

@Yggs: rubbish pic, but:

It'd certainly work for your lot!

Yggdrasil wrote:On a fluff note... I was thinking of adding a (very) few Ork parts on my Scouts, that they would use as "trophies" and "kamophlaaj" after an especially long, demanding and independant campaign. Do you think it might be ok? They might as well get slaughtered by their brethren when they make contact again, but would it be possible in the beginning? Even endorsed by the older, grizzled Scout Sergeants?

Human history has so many examples of an invading force "going native" while they are "in country". Trinkets appear on uniforms, trophies range from personal effects of slain enemies to carrying the weapons of the opposing force, bits of uniforms integrated with standard issue, etc. I haven't seen anyone do this w/ Space Marines, they are usually so wrapped up in their piety to the Emperor. I love your conversions and I think if you did this it would be stunning.

Gitsplitta wrote:Oh, I love that idea!! Fomenting grot rebellions to weaken a problem ork clan... excellent idea Yggs!

Thanks for the support! That could be part of their training ("thou shall crush the Xenos, but also learn to use its weaknesses against itself")

HF Izanagi wrote:Go with it. The SWs have their talismans and such... and from the fluff of your Reaver sent to fight on Gitsplitta's Inq squad (yes, I read that letter- awesome fluff )... they're prone to taking "trophies", in the form of weapons... and by extension, body parts.

And good stuff about the gear- once it's "grounded" in the base, I"m certain it'll pull it together as a piece- the movie Aliens came to mind when I saw it (minus the slime-covered walls... so outer hive), and I"m sure he'll be excellent when he's finished up.

Wow, not only you read it, but also remember enough of it to link it with my current works, I'm amazed!!! Thanks, I hadn't even it that way, but we might be on something here...

inmygravenimage wrote:@Yggs: rubbish pic, but:

It'd certainly work for your lot!

Ha, Git, what happened to you?!?

Skalk Bloodaxe wrote:Human history has so many examples of an invading force "going native" while they are "in country". Trinkets appear on uniforms, trophies range from personal effects of slain enemies to carrying the weapons of the opposing force, bits of uniforms integrated with standard issue, etc. I haven't seen anyone do this w/ Space Marines, they are usually so wrapped up in their piety to the Emperor. I love your conversions and I think if you did this it would be stunning.

That was quite my point, I was afraid it would seem "unrealistic" for Space Marines (well, if you consider regular Space Marines as realistic, that is) or even Scouts to accept such behaviour... It seems my idea doesn't get that much opposition, so I might be in the right way... Thanks!

Let's say that the Achlysian Reavers keep an Ork-infested planet under scrutiny, for the sole purpose of training their Scouts. The permanent mission of the Aspirants sent on that planet, in underwhelming force, beyond their mere survival, would be to prevent the Orks from overrunning the whole Imperial holdings on that planet. Sent in small teams, they would learn the arts of deception, ambushes, sabotage, etc... and the art of thinking "out of the box" by recruits "agents" among the enslaved Gretchin population. Is it good for a start?

I approve of this new idea of learning how to get them/ going native. "Know thine enemy."

Let's see how far down the rabbit hole this goes. Kaesar II

Lord Kaesar II wrote:I approve of this new idea of learning how to get them/ going native. "Know thine enemy."

Let's see how far down the rabbit hole this goes. Kaesar II

Thanks, my Lord!!!

No fluff update today, but some work on the Scouts... I hope you won't be that disappointed anyway!!!

Here's ready-to-get-painted, huge-scope bolter, Scout #1 :




The GS finger looks a bit big to me, what do you think? Should I try to trim it down, or leave it as is? Sorry, still the trigger-finger thing...

And his buddy, shotgun-wielding, halt-sign-making, but not based, Scout #2 :





Did I ever mentioned I loved those Land Speeder Storm Scouts, and Scout bikes?

As for the song of the day... Here's Slipknot's Duality.

As usual, I am open to suggestions!!! Cheers!

Hmmmm... I agree. Finger is too big and gets thicker as it goes. Nice work on the scouts though.

Looking good Yggs Got a better handle on the first guy's pose now too, earlier I'd thought he was actually kneeling on the pipes. Reckon the finger is a tiny bit over long, if you could just trim the very end off think it'll all be golden.

And no, I don't believe we've ever heard you say a word about the Land Speeder Storm Scouts

Second monkeytroll. It's a bit too long, but should be ok if you take a bit off the upperside, and a bit off the fingertip... and for some odd reason, the movie Mission Impossible 2 jus popped into my head... and a madman with a cigar cutter... bleargh...


He looks good though- where do you get the pipes from? I mentioned it before- the bases for these scouts is about 50% or more of the model for me... they make the miniature, IMO.

Second guy is also quite awesome- I can't wait to see the finished product- how many more to go?

Also, modelling question- I've never used static grass before... is it normal to put it on before primer/painting?

Looks good, as always, bro. Stay safe out there and hope to see more soon.

-Remi (HF Iz)

i dont think that putting static grass is usefull if its been primed so after unless you wanted to change the colour,

Goddam the scout heads are horrendous... I beg of you to consider replacing them with something... anything else! Even your prodigious painting skills can't fix the Buzz Lightyear/Duke Nukem heads!

i saw i nice conversion using guard heads as scouts with helemts, it looks pretty nice

Hey Yggs, nice log you've got here!

Love the weathering on the grot tower, and the little guy is just adorable ;0

The scouts look sweet, i really need to get a Storm and some scout bikes...

Love the daily music as well (not particularly the actual music, im a dance fan, but the idea), nice touch.

Stay safe brother,

Vitruvian

I agree with the comments about the length of the finger and the face of the scouts. Otherwise, the poses are realy good!

Gitsplitta wrote:Hmmmm... I agree. Finger is too big and gets thicker as it goes. Nice work on the scouts though.

Done, and done. Finger has been shortened, and scaled-down... Thanks!

monkeytroll wrote:Looking good Yggs Got a better handle on the first guy's pose now too, earlier I'd thought he was actually kneeling on the pipes. Reckon the finger is a tiny bit over long, if you could just trim the very end off think it'll all be golden.

And no, I don't believe we've ever heard you say a word about the Land Speeder Storm Scouts

Done with the finger, but no pic for just that...
As for the rest... I LOVE THOSE LAND SPEEDER STORM SCOUTS ! (and I'm not talking about the CRASSUS in here, uh )

HF Izanagi wrote:Second monkeytroll. It's a bit too long, but should be ok if you take a bit off the upperside, and a bit off the fingertip... and for some odd reason, the movie Mission Impossible 2 jus popped into my head... and a madman with a cigar cutter... bleargh...
He looks good though- where do you get the pipes from? I mentioned it before- the bases for these scouts is about 50% or more of the model for me... they make the miniature, IMO.

Second guy is also quite awesome- I can't wait to see the finished product- how many more to go?

Also, modelling question- I've never used static grass before... is it normal to put it on before primer/painting?

Looks good, as always, bro. Stay safe out there and hope to see more soon.

Thanks HF, though I'm not sure the cigar cutter would be part of their gear lol...
Those pipes are exhaust pipes from an Ork vehicle sprue... Must be trucks, I don't know for sure...
As for the total number... I'm currently thinking about a Scout-based army, so there should probably be twenty-ish Scouts, a few bikes, and a couple of LSS... Well, that's until I get tired of them!!

For the static grass, I have found that I preferred "painted" static grass over bare one, for it looked too "mismatched" with my current paint style... So I usually go undercoat, then Snot Gree, Scorpion Green, Sunburst Yellow on them, for a dry, yet vibrant grass... More work, but I like the result better!
Thanks again!

prototype_X wrote:i dont think that putting static grass is usefull if its been primed so after unless you wanted to change the colour,

True. I don't like the colour, thus it being glued on before priming...

MajorTom11 wrote:Goddam the scout heads are horrendous... I beg of you to consider replacing them with something... anything else! Even your prodigious painting skills can't fix the Buzz Lightyear/Duke Nukem heads!

Agreed, they're terrible... But I didn't bring my hoard of IG heads here - and they probably fit traitor guards better anyway - so I'm probably going to be stuck with a few of them... Though I can use some bare SM ones... Thanks for the suggestion though, otherwise I wouldn't have thought about looking through my bitz in here once again... And I have found a perfect head for a grizzled veteran Scout Sergeant... You'll see it, not today, but soon!

prototype_X wrote:i saw i nice conversion using guard heads as scouts with helemts, it looks pretty nice

Don't have any in here... And the "regular" IG heads aren't that great either... But thanks for the suggestion!

Vitruvian XVII wrote:Hey Yggs, nice log you've got here!

Love the weathering on the grot tower, and the little guy is just adorable ;0

The scouts look sweet, i really need to get a Storm and some scout bikes...

Love the daily music as well (not particularly the actual music, im a dance fan, but the idea), nice touch.

Stay safe brother,

Vitruvian

Thanks for the compliments on the Grot, I'm really happy with him and I'm genuinely surprised it gets such low grades in the gallery... Still, I'm glad you like it!
Sorry for your musical tastes though... Kidding uh, I can more than understand people not liking the kind of music I listen to... As I am pretty impervious to all that's close to RnB / Rap / bad pop / etc...
I should be alright as I mostly stay inside the bases, but we're having far too many casualties since I'm here... It's been 5 deaths over a month and a half... Nearly one per week, for 2500 soldiers in the French area, that's a bit high for my taste... But that's the mission, uh...

Hyenajoe wrote:I agree with the comments about the length of the finger and the face of the scouts. Otherwise, the poses are realy good!

Thanks!

I made some progress on 2 more scouts, one with a sniper rifle and the sergeant, but :
- I wanted to model the sniper as if aiming, but used the arm parts with the buttstock over the right arm, so it doesn't look like he's about to fire at all (crap),
- and I have two ideas for the sergeant for now, but cannot decide which one to use... First one is him firing while stepping up (or down) a platform ; second one is him firing while jumping over a barricade or something, supported on his left arm... I'm tempted by option #2, but I fear it might be a bit OTT... In both cases, right arm, body, legs, and head stay the same, the only difference would be the left arm : either "at ease", balancing the firing arm and the stepping up/down, or as the support for the jump over the fence / barricade...
Am I understandable?

Next update with pics will see some music!!!

Thanks for the suggestions & the comments!

Go for option 2!!! (because if you don't do it... I'll have to and darn it I have enough to do already!)

Go for the OTT option! This is the Imperium, Scouts have to prove themselves worthy of being a full battle-brother!

Its funny, i used to be a total metal-head a few years ago, now im a hardcore raver! Lol, go figure.