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Alright guys, this is rapidly going the way of all Finecast threads, pro and anti camps entrenching their positions.

If you are happy with Finecast, good on you, no one should begrudge you being satisfied, there is no need to make a problem where there isn't one. For you.

Likewise if someone has concerns about Finecast I think it is pretty fair to say it isn't pure hypochondria either. There are some issues.

The only question is where your tolerance lies.

Either way, there is no need to start attacking each other over it. Agreement on this subject in pretty unlikely, but that is no reason not to have some tolerance. Come on guys we can do better


Keep the tone respectful or the thread will have to be shut down, which would be a shame as it is a topic worthy of polite discussion.

   
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-Loki- wrote:

Also, defective CPUs happen all the time. It's just not as noticeable because you buy one for your PC, not dozens. CPUs also break and need replacing after installation and working initially. CPUs are also intentionally sold broken. Those triple core CPUs? They're usually quad core CPUs with a defective core. True, they're advertised as triple core, not quad core, CPUs. But there's nothing on the box telling you you're buying a broken quad core.


An excellent point, but the analogy breaks down in direct comparison with Finecast. If GW had called it Pretty Good Cast and sold it at a significant discount, I'd likely stop complaining. They didn't. They called it Finecast and sell it for more than the metal went for. That's why some of us are annoyed about the whole thing.

To continue the CPU analogy, if Brand A is selling broken quad cores as quintuple cores, do you accept it or do you switch to Brand B until they get this sorted out? I made my choice based not on what I've read, but what I've received. My quintuple core was not even a quad core, and when they sent a replacement it turned out to be a dual core. Brand B for me then.
   
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Mr.Church13 wrote:90% of people who complain about Finecast have never purchased one model. I own several different sculpts old and new and have only had to work with them at the same level I have worked with FW models for years now.



So where exactly did you come up with your brilliant scientific data? Pull a number out of the air?

My personal experience is that I have got two good models out of seven finecast purchases. I can't speak for the rest of the people who complain or who have had no complaints.

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Fetterkey wrote:I find it interesting that nobody attacks metal models for requiring pinning and drilling, but many attack Finecast models for requiring gap filling-- which many metal models also require.

There are a couple of issues with this statement.

For one, GW did cop a fair amount of scorn for their multi-part metals, which often didn't fit together very well without a fair amount of filing or filling.

However, there is also a world of difference between gap-filling joints, and filling holes or replacing miscast pieces.


So far as drilling and pinning goes... that's an optional extra, not a requirement. Metal models don't need pinning if you're using a decent glue.

 
   
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helium42 wrote:
Mr.Church13 wrote:90% of people who complain about Finecast have never purchased one model. I own several different sculpts old and new and have only had to work with them at the same level I have worked with FW models for years now.



So where exactly did you come up with your brilliant scientific data? Pull a number out of the air?

My personal experience is that I have got two good models out of seven finecast purchases. I can't speak for the rest of the people who complain or who have had no complaints.


Ok I get it, hyperbole is bad. But that doesn't change the fact that no one in my immediate area is having the issues that are touted all over the Internet. Maybe it's a fluke, maybe its just the Internet doing what the Internet does. All I know is that out of all the Finecast models we have purchased one or two have been returned but overall we get good molds don't care about flashing and don't actually have that many air bubbles. Yet all we hear from the non regulars and outside the venue is claims of not buying or even looking at it just because of what the net says about it. In the future I will watch my exaggeration. Sometimes the negativity gets the best of me.
   
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Mr.Church13 wrote:...and don't actually have that many air bubbles.

Which suggests that the people you're talking to about it are just a little more forgiving than some.

For those who expect premium models for the premium prices, 'too many airbubbles' may well be a lower amount than what you find acceptable.

 
   
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+1 with Insaniak.

If I pay $30 + for a single figure I sure as eggs don't expect to have to fork out for stuff to fix it.

For that price they should be perfect.

 
   
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Magpie wrote:+1 with Insaniak.

If I pay $30 + for a single figure I sure as eggs don't expect to have to fork out for stuff to fix it.

For that price they should be perfect.


And hence my beef with the interview. Basically, he quietly acknowledges the issues, sweeps them under the rug and says, "Get used to it."

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H.B.M.C. wrote:
Fetterkey wrote:I find it interesting that nobody attacks metal models for requiring pinning and drilling, but many attack Finecast models for requiring gap filling-- which many metal models also require.


Don’t be so brazenly disingenuous. You know damn well it’s not just ‘gap filling’. It’s miscasts, mould slippage and actual missing detail (fingers missing, actual miscasts). Not just bubbles.


Those problems aren't unique to Finecast. For instance, I bought a metal Thunderfire Cannon a while back. It was seriously miscast, so I called GW, and they sent me another one that had the exact same problem. I figured at that point it wasn't worth the hassle, so I fixed both cannons myself and they are now in service in my army, albeit without their recoil compensators. Had those models been Finecast instead of metal, I have no doubt that my job would have been much easier, and likely ended up with a better result. Indeed, if the Thunderfire Cannon ever comes out in Finecast, I'll probably buy two to replace my existing ones. So when people tell me that Finecast models require undue repair work, while metal is true and perfect and pure-- well, that just plain hasn't been my experience as a hobbyist.
   
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puma713 wrote:
And hence my beef with the interview. Basically, he quietly acknowledges the issues, sweeps them under the rug and says, "Get used to it."


Right, but perhaps what I find most saddening out of all of this, is how people are prepared to just shrug their shoulders and accept it. And so, standards drop:

Those problems aren't unique to Finecast. For instance, I bought a metal Thunderfire Cannon a while back. It was seriously miscast, so I called GW, and they sent me another one that had the exact same problem. I figured at that point it wasn't worth the hassle, so I fixed both cannons myself and they are now in service in my army, albeit without their recoil compensators. Had those models been Finecast instead of metal, I have no doubt that my job would have been much easier, and likely ended up with a better result. Indeed, if the Thunderfire Cannon ever comes out in Finecast, I'll probably buy two to replace my existing ones. So when people tell me that Finecast models require undue repair work, while metal is true and perfect and pure-- well, that just plain hasn't been my experience as a hobbyist.


I've seen more FC miscasts over the past few months, models that should not have been sold, than I did in over 20 years of metal miniatures. That has been the common consensus of practically everyone I have spoken to about it.

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Pacific wrote:I've seen more FC miscasts over the past few months, models that should not have been sold, than I did in over 20 years of metal miniatures. That has been the common consensus of practically everyone I have spoken to about it.


That's been the consensus of practically everyone I have spoken to about it as well-- but only online. In person, that reaction just hasn't been there. I think my earlier remarks about the availability heuristic remain appropriate here.
   
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puma713 wrote: you do realize most of these pictures come with a review attached explaining the pictures, right?


Which is still completely irrelevant. Any number of reviews only account for a tiny, tiny fraction of over-all FC sales. Ten thousand bad reviews mean nothing if it only accounts for 1% of the total production.

Can you tell me what percentage of total FC sales have been reviewed and photographed, with a negative result? That would be interesting

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Kaldor wrote:
puma713 wrote: you do realize most of these pictures come with a review attached explaining the pictures, right?


Which is still completely irrelevant. Any number of reviews only account for a tiny, tiny fraction of over-all FC sales. Ten thousand bad reviews mean nothing if it only accounts for 1% of the total production.

Can you tell me what percentage of total FC sales have been reviewed and photographed, with a negative result? That would be interesting


This guy gets it.
   
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Fetterkey wrote:
Kaldor wrote:
puma713 wrote: you do realize most of these pictures come with a review attached explaining the pictures, right?


Which is still completely irrelevant. Any number of reviews only account for a tiny, tiny fraction of over-all FC sales. Ten thousand bad reviews mean nothing if it only accounts for 1% of the total production.

Can you tell me what percentage of total FC sales have been reviewed and photographed, with a negative result? That would be interesting


This guy gets it.

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Ignoring the FC quality arguments (it's obvious where I stand), it's interesting to see what amounts to a public confirmation from GW that the released quality is what they expect it to be.

This is disheartening, but not entirely unexpected. GW aims squarely at inexperienced modellers / painters, and has done for years - everyone is aware and pretty much agrees that the sales strategy is geared around 2 large sales - a starter box and one extra, at one birthday and and one Christmas.

What is interesting is that the new paint system, from the accounts I've read by people whose opinions I trust, can and does make it a lot easier to get higher level results quickly. This will rapidly give more of an 'eye for detail' to newer 'Hobbyists'. Now, couple this with poor quality underlying miniatures (which liquid GS has NO chance of fixing*) then we can expect to see either an increase of QA to keep the newbies happy (in order to hit that second sale) or a sharp increase over the next few months of complaints about Finecast.


*: The majority of what I'd consider the serious flaws on Finecast models result in the need to resculpt detail, not gap fill. Sculpting skill and practice are required a lot of the time. Material unsuitability for certain designs aside.

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No one in the finecast argument, either side, has yet to produce actual numbers to prove their point either way.

Nobody against fine cast can do anything more than present pictures from multiple sources that make up an unknown quantity of miscasts. (vocal minority syndrome etc.)

Nobody defending GW can produce a single iota of evidence providing us with any clear indication as to how much of the FC shenanigans are internet rage vs. actual rage.

Neither party can produce the proper evidence, nor will either side ever be able to without access to GW inventory, customer service, and quality control files. If neither side can prove their point without anecdotal evidence, guess work, conjecture, or any of the other myriad means being utilized in this thread and the numerous other FC hate threads then why are we still talking about this?

I still don't understand why this is a separate thread or why these are allowed to go on for as long as they do when neither side gets anywhere or produces anything remotely resembling factual evidence to prove their point.

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Fetterkey wrote:
Kaldor wrote:
puma713 wrote: you do realize most of these pictures come with a review attached explaining the pictures, right?


Which is still completely irrelevant. Any number of reviews only account for a tiny, tiny fraction of over-all FC sales. Ten thousand bad reviews mean nothing if it only accounts for 1% of the total production.

Can you tell me what percentage of total FC sales have been reviewed and photographed, with a negative result? That would be interesting


This guy gets it.


I am sorry to make this rude remark, but all he gets is that the entire concept of statistics is unknown to him. Please go to someone with a decent understanding of statistics in your near. Please ask him the following question:

"What is the probability of getting 60% flawed products during an inquiry of 10000 products out of a million (which should have a 2% fault rate instead of 60%)"

Learn from the answer you get and then think your point over again. I am not insulting you, just pointing your view in another direction which hopefully shows you that your view is utterly and completely blurred.
   
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Max Jet wrote:
Fetterkey wrote:
Kaldor wrote:
puma713 wrote: you do realize most of these pictures come with a review attached explaining the pictures, right?


Which is still completely irrelevant. Any number of reviews only account for a tiny, tiny fraction of over-all FC sales. Ten thousand bad reviews mean nothing if it only accounts for 1% of the total production.

Can you tell me what percentage of total FC sales have been reviewed and photographed, with a negative result? That would be interesting


This guy gets it.


I am sorry to make this rude remark, but all he gets is that the entire concept of statistics is unknown to him. Please go to someone with a decent understanding of statistics in your near. Please ask him the following question:

"What is the probability of getting 60% flawed products during an inquiry of 10000 products out of a million (which should have a 2% fault rate instead of 60%)"

Learn from the answer you get and then think your point over again. I am not insulting you, just pointing your view in another direction which hopefully shows you that your view is utterly and completely blurred.


Where are those numbers coming from? Again, no one has any actual numbers to use. Until someone can produce actual numbers on any of this perhaps we should all leave statistics out of the discussion.

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Max Jet wrote:I am sorry to make this rude remark, but all he gets is that the entire concept of statistics is unknown to him. Please go to someone with a decent understanding of statistics in your near. Please ask him the following question:

"What is the probability of getting 60% flawed products during an inquiry of 10000 products out of a million (which should have a 2% fault rate instead of 60%)"

Learn from the answer you get and then think your point over again. I am not insulting you, just pointing your view in another direction which hopefully shows you that your view is utterly and completely blurred.


The probability may in fact be quite good, if you consider the selection effects that are undoubtedly at work with the sample here. Even if 60% of reviews posted on Dakka are negative, Dakka reviews are almost certainly a biased sample and thus not representative of the actual distribution.
   
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Max Jet wrote:I am sorry to make this rude remark, but all he gets is that the entire concept of statistics is unknown to him.


Oh please, correct me!


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Fetterkey wrote:
Max Jet wrote:I am sorry to make this rude remark, but all he gets is that the entire concept of statistics is unknown to him. Please go to someone with a decent understanding of statistics in your near. Please ask him the following question:

"What is the probability of getting 60% flawed products during an inquiry of 10000 products out of a million (which should have a 2% fault rate instead of 60%)"

Learn from the answer you get and then think your point over again. I am not insulting you, just pointing your view in another direction which hopefully shows you that your view is utterly and completely blurred.


The probability may in fact be quite good, if you consider the selection effects that are undoubtedly at work with the sample here. Even if 60% of reviews posted on Dakka are negative, Dakka reviews are almost certainly a biased sample and thus not representative of the actual distribution.


Well I just did a google search for finecast flaws pics, and got a lot of hits on google, I did finecast good casts/quailty pics and got around three jobber threads. Shrugs guess the internet just hates on gw eh? According to them its not like anyone uses this thing anyways its just a fad that will pass in a few years....
   
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OverwatchCNC wrote:No one in the finecast argument, either side, has yet to produce actual numbers to prove their point either way.

Nobody against fine cast can do anything more than present pictures from multiple sources that make up an unknown quantity of miscasts. (vocal minority syndrome etc.)

Nobody defending GW can produce a single iota of evidence providing us with any clear indication as to how much of the FC shenanigans are internet rage vs. actual rage.

Neither party can produce the proper evidence, nor will either side ever be able to without access to GW inventory, customer service, and quality control files. If neither side can prove their point without anecdotal evidence, guess work, conjecture, or any of the other myriad means being utilized in this thread and the numerous other FC hate threads then why are we still talking about this?

I still don't understand why this is a separate thread or why these are allowed to go on for as long as they do when neither side gets anywhere or produces anything remotely resembling factual evidence to prove their point.


This.

We simply don't have any verifiable data. GW certainly lie (outright) about the quality produced, both to the customer base, and (more worryingly) to themselves. I actually doubt that there *is* sensible data on the failure rate, as I don't think the culture (from what I've heard) within GW allows for admission of failure. Rather than admit the quality is low, they expect to alter the marketplace expectation for the product.

It's not a case of defending / attacking GW. Forgeworld use the same resin and technique as for Finecast (amongst other techniques / resin mixes). They do so in a much more controlled, small-scale manner, targetted at designs for which the material is suitable, and still have occasional quality issues. At that scale, it's manageable. At the mass scale Finecast works at, according to the various threads and reviews on the internet, it's not.

Shouting and screaming will have no effect. Not accepting substandard models, regardless of material or manufacturer, is an exercise in patience. It's taken me about 6 calls to Forgeworld to finally get all the parts on the way I need to build a Warhound to competition standard, without resculpting large amounts of it (Typically worn out mould / mould slip issues). This is accepting minor bubbles on non-critical areas, and a little sanding / filling work. That's something like a 150 part kit (I've not counted), of which there were around 25 defective (I'm not including mispacking etc). One of which I've had a persistent issue (bad mould from the looks of it) with, needing several replacements. An expensive kit, produced in limited quantities. I understand *why* it's expensive. I understand *why* the issues occur. I have a baseline that I'll accept and Forgeworld usually hit it, GW plastics almost always do (only had a couple of issues with plastics), GW metals almost always did. Other manufacturers almost always do. Finecast, without prejudice, for me has almost always failed.

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Not all Miscasts are reported online, not all miscast are reported to GW some are on shelves, some are accepted if not acceptable (by my standards) some are binned as the owner "rage quits" plus a plethora of other outcomes.

One thing that is apparent is that there are lots of blogs and long threads on various forums reporting issues with finecast. Now there are probably 2 reasons for these: actual fault reporting or people being vindictive.

My own experience I am 27 for 27 poor casts - spoke to GW CS yesterday and they are still awaiting good casts which are all being in personally inspected !

Never had this problem with metals - yes there were a few issues and some bad models but at least they were consistent and on a par with most other manufacturers. (I am not a metal fan I prefer resin) Finecast is considerably below the industry standard and this is my main cause for concern.

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OverwatchCNC wrote:
Max Jet wrote:
Fetterkey wrote:
Kaldor wrote:
puma713 wrote: you do realize most of these pictures come with a review attached explaining the pictures, right?


Which is still completely irrelevant. Any number of reviews only account for a tiny, tiny fraction of over-all FC sales. Ten thousand bad reviews mean nothing if it only accounts for 1% of the total production.

Can you tell me what percentage of total FC sales have been reviewed and photographed, with a negative result? That would be interesting


This guy gets it.


I am sorry to make this rude remark, but all he gets is that the entire concept of statistics is unknown to him. Please go to someone with a decent understanding of statistics in your near. Please ask him the following question:

"What is the probability of getting 60% flawed products during an inquiry of 10000 products out of a million (which should have a 2% fault rate instead of 60%)"

Learn from the answer you get and then think your point over again. I am not insulting you, just pointing your view in another direction which hopefully shows you that your view is utterly and completely blurred.


Where are those numbers coming from? Again, no one has any actual numbers to use. Until someone can produce actual numbers on any of this perhaps we should all leave statistics out of the discussion.


the 60% comes from a frequently and highly visited poll on Warseer. Only about 40% of costumers are actually happy with their product. The 2% number comes from GW itself. The 1% number and 10 000 has been used as arbitrary number from another poster to use his point.

Fetterkey wrote:
Max Jet wrote:I am sorry to make this rude remark, but all he gets is that the entire concept of statistics is unknown to him. Please go to someone with a decent understanding of statistics in your near. Please ask him the following question:

"What is the probability of getting 60% flawed products during an inquiry of 10000 products out of a million (which should have a 2% fault rate instead of 60%)"

Learn from the answer you get and then think your point over again. I am not insulting you, just pointing your view in another direction which hopefully shows you that your view is utterly and completely blurred.


The probability may in fact be quite good, if you consider the selection effects that are undoubtedly at work with the sample here. Even if 60% of reviews posted on Dakka are negative, Dakka reviews are almost certainly a biased sample and thus not representative of the actual distribution.


Would be the only valuable counter argument made in this entire thread if not for one fact.

It works on both sides. I am sure there is a significant number of white knights in desperate search of perfect model to present them as "normal batch"
   
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The actual stats will never be found and they don't really matter.

It's clear that Finecast did introduce a lot of problems in terms of a high rate of miscasts. They were obvious to anyone who bothered to go to the shops and look at the stuff. They were widely reported by what I should probably hesitate to call senior and respected hobbyists who have been in the TTWG hobby for years. There's no reason why those kind of guys would just decide to h8 Finecast for lulz.

Sure there has been exaggeration by h8rs. There has also been exaggeration of whitewash by fanbois.

The fact remains that Finecast was introduced with a lot of quality problems and GW have confirmed it by this interview.

If people are happy to accept they need to do some work to get the models up to standard that is fine. It's still a DIY hobby to a great extent, and Finecast has some advantages to offset the defects.

In my personal view GW should have moved to polystyrene manufacturing for everything. It never made sense to cast large models in metal. Perhaps they will in the future.

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-Loki- wrote: CPUs are also intentionally sold broken. Those triple core CPUs? They're usually quad core CPUs with a defective core. True, they're advertised as triple core, not quad core, CPUs. But there's nothing on the box telling you you're buying a broken quad core.


The problem with extrapolating upon this analogy is it was a really flawed analogy to begin with; a better example would have been Intel shipping you CPU's that will not post and suggesting you update the microcode yourself to make it bootable. To reply to you specifically, while your description of the process is accurate your summation is flawed. They don't sell a tri-core CPU as a broken quad core because it isn't, it's a fully functional thoroughly tested tri-core CPU. It's not any more broken than in previous years where all the CPU's were literally the exact same chip and they laser cut the traces to some of the cache or what have you to make their lower end processor. This is a normal and expected process in fabrication that some parts of the yield will be able to work as one product, and some not, but the latter are not "defective", since that implies unsalable; any more then a tomato plant that grows 4 ounce tomatoes is defective because the one next to it grows mostly 6oz ones.

So far as the original topic goes, I have some finecast models, they were all pretty screwed up, but I like the finecast material in general and look forward to the day (hopefully soon) when they aren't shipping mishapen lumps of resin and calling it good. Until then I must avoid it.

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Squigsquasher wrote:Besides, I have a theory that a lot of the "solid evidence for Finecast being rubbish" is actually people working for other companies deliberately buying rejected models or even damaging perfectly good models, and then posting the "evidence"


But how does that explain all the gakky models sitting in unopened blister packs at the store?

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I still haven't bought anything in finecast... But hopefully now a comment has been made the quality will improve and I can finally buy the terminator librarian I'm waiting on.

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H.B.M.C. wrote:
Mr.Church13 wrote:90% of people who complain about Finecast have never purchased one model.


And where did you pull that figure from? Go on - I want to see the working behind it.


In addition, why must I fund GW's shoddy Finecast operation to have an opinion on it? Go on, I want to see the working behind that too.


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