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biccat wrote:
For elite armies like SM, the Rhino is currently just an extra layer of armor that you have to get through. There should be some sort of tradeoff for that extra level of protection.

I agree that AP2 is too tough, it should be AP 3.

Better yet, they could go to armor save modifiers like in WHFB. Then they could almost get rid of AP completely.

AP3 punishes marines twice as hard as it punishes IG, the two premier tank-spam armies. I'd rather see something like "always wounds on a 3+" or something for explosions, but still allowing armour saves. Otherwise it's basically a big feth you to marines, while not making much of a difference for IG.

* GW likes selling flyers. I expect them to get better rules. The high cost of necron flyers suggest to me that they will have better rule sets justifying the cost.

High cost doesn't really prove much, check cost to points ratio's on Rough Riders for example.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

* GW likes selling flyers. I expect them to get better rules. The high cost of necron flyers suggest to me that they will have better rule sets justifying the cost.

High cost doesn't really prove much, check cost to points ratio's on Rough Riders for example.

and how many people are going out and buying new Rough Riders?

Lobukia wrote:and how many people are going out and buying new Rough Riders?

To be fair I think that's more because nobody on Earth (except me) can stand the models.

I'm really not worried at all about 6th or a hypothetical new codex for my Guard. They've transitioned from 3rd to 4th to 5th, they'll be fine in 6th too.

Marzillius wrote:

AnomanderRake wrote:They're probably going to nerf Fire Dragons so we stop seeing every bloody list built around three Fire Dragon units...

Thank goodness. I never liked Fire Dragons much anyway. Let's have Rangers that can actually do something instead.

Agreed.

Just noticed, Craftworld Tar Valon? Really? Led by Farseer Siuan Sanche?

Wait WHAT! How did I not notice this! Me a HC WoT fanatic! I . . .I. . . feel so dirty. . .

To OP. SInce I play Blood Angels, my Priests. need my Sanguinary Priests.

Lobukia wrote:Given GW's occassional removal of units (or altering them in wierd ways) between editions, which unit(s) are you worried will go the way of the dodo in your 'dex?

For me its sternguard (my current lists are screwed if they go back to being generic veterans or tyranid war vets).

Sometimes I like to a BA all jumpers list. With 5+ cover saves, AP3 negating feel no pain and blast templates being more accurate that could be a possibility.

Lobukia wrote:
and how many people are going out and buying new Rough Riders?

If GW made new models that weren't as old as most of the playerbase people might buy them.

Brother SRM wrote:

Lobukia wrote:and how many people are going out and buying new Rough Riders?

If GW made new models that weren't as old as most of the playerbase people might buy them.

Or, for example, you could make your own out of a few WHFB kits? Most have lances, TNT is easy to make with plastic rod and you just have to remove any Chaosy icons. Done"

BlapBlapBlap wrote:
Or, for example, you could make your own out of a few WHFB kits? Most have lances, TNT is easy to make with plastic rod and you just have to remove any Chaosy icons. Done"

I've thought about it, using Empire Outriders and Cadian bodies and such, but it's not the same as dedicated cool models.

Brother SRM wrote:

BlapBlapBlap wrote:Or, for example, you could make your own out of a few WHFB kits? Most have lances, TNT is easy to make with plastic rod and you just have to remove any Chaosy icons. Done"

I've thought about it, using Empire Outriders and Cadian bodies and such, but it's not the same as dedicated cool models.

Fair enough. It'd be nice to actually have a good quality model for the unit, rather than having to put my idea of converting Cold One Knights with different arms for shields into acion.

BlapBlapBlap wrote:
Fair enough. It'd be nice to actually have a good quality model for the unit, rather than having to put my idea of converting Cold One Knights with different arms for shields into acion.

Catachans on Cold Ones is my favorite idea for Rough Riders. The only thing goofier than cavalry in the 41st millennium is Rambos riding on dinosaurs.

Brother SRM wrote: The only thing cooler than cavalry in the 41st millennium is Rambos riding on dinosaurs.

Fixed that for you... the DKoK riders are pretty sweet too.

Brother SRM wrote:
Catachans on Cold Ones is my favorite idea for Rough Riders. The only thing goofier than cavalry in the 41st millennium is Rambos riding on dinosaurs.

This right here

Lobukia wrote:

Brother SRM wrote: The only thing cooler than cavalry in the 41st millennium is Rambos riding on dinosaurs.

Fixed that for you... the DKoK riders are pretty sweet too.

It can be goofy and still be absolutely awesome, ridiculousness is what 40k is all about.

The awesome thing about playing Eldar is there are no good units to lose.

DarknessEternal wrote:The awesome thing about playing Eldar is there are no good units to lose.

As bad as things are, they can always get worse. What if special characters needed opponent's consent? Good Bye Eldrad.

Melta-weapon nerf, goodbye fire dragons!

Any strength can wound any toughness on a 6. Nerf to wraithlords.

I can dream up rules to wreck anything!

Wreck Draigowing GK's then.

A model in Terminator Armour strikes at Initiative 1. A weapon with AP 1 or 2 will cause ID regardless of toughness.

Wrecked enough yet?

not that i collect them but GK paladins

terminators but with an additional +4 save, 2+ invun (i think) and force weapons

extremilly OP

1 model per squad can get a 2+ invuln, but it only works in CC and costs 10 points more then a power fist.

FnP also costs 3 power fists to get for the squad on top of an already expensive model.

Monster Rain wrote:My issue with an edition change isn't that units will be invalidated, but wargear options.

Anyone who had become accustomed to getting an extra attack in CC for a bolt pistol-powerfist combination in 4th Edition knows what I'm talking about.

Yea, I am especially worried about this for the Black Templars. The thing they have that help to set them apart are:

Huge Wargear Selection
2 x Cyclone Missile Launchers
70 Pts Typhoon Speeder

I think those things got FaQ for 5th Ed, and are only there more or less because they are a 4th Edition army. I don't want to lose any of them, especially my Artificer Armor/Storm Shield/Lighting Claw on my Commander Marshall. :/

Considering that Vanilla marine Captains can get Artificer armor, SS, and LC too I don't think you will lose those options.

Grey Templar wrote:Considering that Vanilla marine Captains can get Artificer armor, SS, and LC too I don't think you will lose those options.

Their captain is also less expensive, doesn't need to take the inv 4++ thing with storm shield, and grants LD10 to the entire army.

Meaning it's one of the few captains that's still cost effective, unlike 5th editions FAR to expensive captains.

Carnage43 wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:The awesome thing about playing Eldar is there are no good units to lose.

As bad as things are, they can always get worse. What if special characters needed opponent's consent? Good Bye Eldrad.

Melta-weapon nerf, goodbye fire dragons!

Any strength can wound any toughness on a 6. Nerf to wraithlords.

I can dream up rules to wreck anything!

See, the thing is, that doesn't wreck them. They're already wrecked.

Sure, it makes them worse objectively, but no worse relatively.

YELLOWBLADES wrote:not that i collect them but GK paladins

terminators but with an additional +4 save, 2+ invun (i think) and force weapons

extremilly OP

Okay, you're wrong in a few key ways here. First of all, they don't get an additional 4+ save unless you take an Apothecary, which is expensive. Even so, these guys are where you should be dumping any and all weapons with S8 or higher and low AP values, which also negates their second wounds. The unit as a whole is expensive as sin, and tends to be very slow on the battlefield. Ideally, you can just kite them while occasionally throwing a speedbump in their way. Also, that 2+ invuln is on one model maximum, and is also expensive to take. Bad players can't get over their stickershock at the sight of 2 wound Terminators. Even so, I don't think you read anything in this thread, since you don't use these guys and don't sound like you want them around anyway.

I am hoping 6E takes the SUCK out of my Tau.

I would be ok with this removal.

There's not much left GW can take from Tyranids.

Sternguard.
Vulkan.
Tigurius.

That about covers it. Oh, if Drop Pods ceased to exist I would weep.

-Loki- wrote:There's not much left GW can take from Tyranids.

So say they just decided to remove the Tervigon and only leave hald of the box for the Tyrranofex...

BlapBlapBlap wrote:

-Loki- wrote:There's not much left GW can take from Tyranids.

So say they just decided to remove the Tervigon and only leave hald of the box for the Tyrranofex...

I was talking more about making units worse, since GW haven't been on a 'remove units entirely' kick for a long time, outside of Pariahs in the Necron book. Lately, books have been about 'squeeze in as many units as possible, even if half of them are terrible'.