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2017/08/07 21:00:09
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Shade of Despair and Torment
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Plaintiff
David Moore
DBAs:Imperial Emporium, Iron Crown Games, Starchild Goods, Fellowship Crafts and Hobbies 2206 NE 17th Court
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33305
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2017/08/07 21:01:59
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Prescient Cryptek of Eternity
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Does this dude even have a store? I'm not finding a physical presence. It looks like Fellowship Crafts and Hobbies is operated out of a small house in Fort Lauderdale, FL.
Just curious. Is it possible this guy has been doing online sales from his house and is being shut down? Maybe an eBay reseller?
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2017/08/07 21:09:04
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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According to his lawsuit he has/had three, two of which went bankrupt and one is barely afloat.
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2017/08/07 21:23:32
Subject: Re:GW being sued for $62 million
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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If I was a gaming manafacturer I'd immediatly be ceasing to do busniess with this guy, I'd be concerned his unhinged behavior would result in him targeting me next
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
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2017/08/07 21:26:10
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Lieutenant General
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 AduroT wrote:According to his lawsuit he has/had three, two of which went bankrupt and one is barely afloat.
How does one get financial backing to open a game store when he's already had two go bankrupt 
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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2017/08/07 21:26:27
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Feldwebel
Tamworth, UK
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2017/08/07 21:28:12
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Rogue Daemonhunter fueled by Chaos
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This guy is almost certainly a crank. He wrote that he has an LLM in law, but while that usually is a degree earned after getting a JD, that doesn't mean he passed the bar, or even got his JD from an accredited school. (Keep in mind, I can start the Polonius College of Law in my shed and hand out whatever degrees I want. You just won't be able to sit for the bar exam after graduating.)
And handling cases like this costs far less than you'd think. Courts, even federal courts, don't like crank cases, and this will likely be dismissed under 12(b)(6) for failure to state a claim. Basically, even if everything in the affidavit and complaint were true, GW wouldn't be legally on the hook for anything. Trying to compare mark up of a retail item with a stock pump and dump scheme is not creative or "out of the box," it's more likely to come from a place of psychosis than ignorance.
Alas, complaints like this are not uncommon, so courts know how to handle them.
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2017/08/07 21:43:12
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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What's the significance of the link?
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2017/08/07 21:47:30
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Utilizing Careful Highlighting
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Well he's screaming about GW using china to source manufacturing and then seems to want to find a china based manufacturer to use for his new models .
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2017/08/07 21:55:22
Subject: Re:GW being sued for $62 million
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Be careful everyone. You might cut yourself on the RazorEdge.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
 jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
 vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
 MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
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2017/08/07 22:01:08
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
The Battle Barge Buffet Line
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 Kriswall wrote:
I'm kind of salty that Mr. Pibb was discontinued in my region and replaced by Pibb Xtra. I should probably call a lawyer.
Or just represent yourself like the store owner... or give GW's fired head of their legal department that orchestrated the equally stupid Chapterhouse case a call since she might have some free time on her hands. Your options aren't limited (unlike primaris marine kits!).
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We Munch for Macragge! FOR THE EMPRUH! Cheesesticks and Humus! |
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2017/08/07 22:03:05
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Shade of Despair and Torment
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OMG! Part of his lawsuit is that GW used China to make some minis & he is trying to start a miniature company using Chinese factories to produce his minis! Oh the irony! Or stupidity? He is suing GW, FW, and has named several people specifically too that he is suing....
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2017/08/07 22:34:11
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
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Hilarious that his business is called Fellowship hobbies, yet he has a beef with GW Riffing on Tolkien.
Also that he has a recasting business lol.
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2017/08/07 23:00:35
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Missionary On A Mission
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 Art Steventon wrote:The counterfeit is yes. He mentions losing his contract due to 'lies and fakery' or words to that effect.
Spikey Bits were the ones to dig the case out of the legal channels - I believe after the litigant tipped them the wink. So now they're posting it all over social media as some kind of trial of the year....
Baer is bitter after being ignored for playtesting on eighth ed... and has had an axe to grind for years...
Couldn't this just be lying about a store or something? Like claiming you have a store when in fact you run your store from home?
Or does it actually say somewhere that he was caught counterfeiting GW models?
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2017/08/07 23:08:25
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
avoiding the lorax on Crion
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:And he claims all GW's models are actually made in China.
Must've hallucinated the factory when I got the tour....the one in Nottingham. And the one he mentions in his own papers in Memphis. Which I've not had a tour of.
I guess my friend does not work there then and he paid yo do nothing there then...
There's some production in China sure. But the majority of that is UK based and in Nottingham.
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Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all. |
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2017/08/07 23:10:55
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Think his store is in Buffalo New York... The guy is an interesting guy though. Check out his Sifulama webpage.
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2017/08/07 23:12:22
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
avoiding the lorax on Crion
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 MadCowCrazy wrote: Art Steventon wrote:The counterfeit is yes. He mentions losing his contract due to 'lies and fakery' or words to that effect.
Spikey Bits were the ones to dig the case out of the legal channels - I believe after the litigant tipped them the wink. So now they're posting it all over social media as some kind of trial of the year....
Baer is bitter after being ignored for playtesting on eighth ed... and has had an axe to grind for years...
Couldn't this just be lying about a store or something? Like claiming you have a store when in fact you run your store from home?
Or does it actually say somewhere that he was caught counterfeiting GW models?
So you complain about a company you make fakes of to sell...
Hmmm if ve worried if that provable you may get a counter case...
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Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all. |
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2017/08/07 23:19:04
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Regular Dakkanaut
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 spiralingcadaver wrote: theharrower wrote:For models it's all upfront and the costs go into tooling and making the molds which ranges from $35K on up. After that, banging out sprues is super cheap.
I definitely recognize that the bulk is in tooling, but don't know what setup fees etc. come to, or how heavily rewarded bulk orders are. Also, I'm pretty sure HIPS mold tooling has gone down in price in recent years?
I have some friends in the industry. The figures I'm quoting aren't super accurate by any stretch, but $35K is on the lower side nowadays from what I understand. Few years ago they used to be in the $50K-$100K range.
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Artist, Game Designer, and Wargame Veteran
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2017/08/07 23:22:47
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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Those figures are slightly dubious in the context of GW. The dies take a long time and not inconsiderable skill and experience to produce, and that costs money. GW aren't paying a third party to do it though, they have their own machines and operators, so they will pay comparably less for the same equivalent.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
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2017/08/08 00:10:23
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Stalwart Tribune
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What the heck??? That sounds like a madman, who is ranting, because, somebody "scamed" him ..... Oh, well. It will be fun to watch...
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30k:  Taghmata Omnissiah(5,5k)
Ordo Reductor(4,5k)
Legio Cybernetica(WIP)
40k(Inactive): Adeptus Mechanicus(2,5k)
WFB(Inactive): Nippon, Skaven
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2017/08/08 00:14:48
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Yeah, this is going to be dismissed faster than it took me to write this sentence.
And talking about all the ripping off GW do and not a mention of Dune? Hmm...
 Verviedi wrote:Oh, great, now GW is going to go insane and rename all their armies and units to incoherent, copywritable babble.
That made me giggle. Thank you.
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2017/08/08 00:34:04
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Shade of Despair and Torment
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2017/08/08 02:24:10
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Missionary On A Mission
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Plaintiff
David Moore
DBAs:Imperial Emporium, Iron Crown Games, Starchild Goods, Fellowship Crafts and Hobbies 2206 NE 17th Court
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33305
So who are all these stores? David Moore only has 1 store right? So he is getting backing from a few others as well?
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2017/08/08 02:46:58
Subject: Re:GW being sued for $62 million
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Lieutenant General
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Imperial Emporium seems to be a shop in Shelby,NC. Iron Crown Games on Google only gives me results for Iron Crown Enterprises. Starchild Goods doesn't give me any results for anything hobby-related. The Fort Lauderdale address on Google Maps shows an advertising agency (CashOff Inc.). Unfortunately there's no street view for the location 
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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2017/08/08 03:24:55
Subject: Re:GW being sued for $62 million
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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GoatboyBeta wrote:So GW are the only company in the world that took heavy inspiration from/ripped off Tolkien? Shouldn't he be also going after WOTC/Hasbro, Blizzard and nearly every other company with a medieval Europe styled fantasy IP? Likewise with the 40k side, if the superficial similarities between GW Space marines and Tyranids with other IP's are enough to bring this case then there are a lot of other much bigger companies who are just as guilty.
Edit- forgot to add the  and  
Tolkien did attempt to sue TSR over the use of the word/creature orc. Of course, TSR also did get into trouble for other "misappropriation" of Tolkien stuff - hobbits had to become halflings, ents became treants, balrogs became balors, etc. And then there was the whole Deities and Demigods book from TSR.
I think that somehow GW managed to skim under the radar - I especially remember feeling tyranids were an Aliens rip-off when the entire line was re-invisioned shortly after the Aliens movie came off, and the warriors appearance changed to look much more like alien queens.
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2017/08/08 03:59:20
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I would love to see him win.
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2017/08/08 04:21:43
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
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I've unsubcribed from Rob. Rubbish like this will be thrown out of court, so why even bother giving it air time?
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2017/08/08 04:21:45
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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yeah because then we all know GW would immediatly continue busniess as usual except changing the things we dislike about them magicly!
ohh or better yet GW would magicly get bought out by some small gaming company you like!
these fantasies won't happen. this lunitic winning would only be bad for the entire hobby.
Or do you think a GW loss wouldn't have a chilling effect on the industry entire?
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
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2017/08/08 05:37:09
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Battle-tested Knight Castellan Pilot
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 Azreal13 wrote:Those figures are slightly dubious in the context of GW. The dies take a long time and not inconsiderable skill and experience to produce, and that costs money. GW aren't paying a third party to do it though, they have their own machines and operators, so they will pay comparably less for the same equivalent.
Yeah pretty much this. If it was making a model ( large kit like magnus or a huge tank or something) from scratch using a 3rd party the whole way ( artist sculpting, sourcing and cutting the metal molds, production of the models, packaging etc etc) like from Renedra or something I could see 35k. But GW does EVERYTHING in house from the sculpting, to the mold cutting, plastic injection and packaging. So the 35k seems a wee bit high. 
The dies (aka molds) don't cost as much as they used to. Everything is cut in CNC machines now, so basically its put in the cutting program and off you go (yes there is more to it but that's the basics). Back when they had to make a 3up and use a pantomime machine which was done 3rd party then the costs would be huge but was offset by large print runs.
I think this so called law suit is going to give us some comic gold for a little while.
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2017/08/08 05:42:29
Subject: GW being sued for $62 million
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Gargantuan Gargant
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This guy is shooting for the moon and hoping to get a fraction of what he's asking for.
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