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Like the last few tomes the PtG rules are entirely phoned in with barely any effort behind them. It has been pretty clear for a while now they are going to be replaced.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
WHY did the make the new Vargulf exclusive to only one bloodline, and only as part of some overcosted hero unit!? Ugh...

Probably because they do not want Vargulfs in the codex. (That belongs to FeC.)

Further, many signs point to something terrible either Corona or brexit related happened to the cursed city release. Limited publication, two or three hero models that likely where meant as expansions released as heroes. It is all very odd.

I dislike that so many pages in the book bloats it up with all those unit entries though. They do not push above their weight at 720 points. I like that they are possible, but imagine having 10 unit entries you are never gonne take and had to be taken as a unit in another codex. Just weard.

I really like the rules for the new non cursed city models though. And the models are A+

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
WHY did the make the new Vargulf exclusive to only one bloodline, and only as part of some overcosted hero unit!? Ugh...

This can be said for the grave keeper, vykros blood born and the korgi orc undead models too. I was expecting new generic profiles for all of them. All we got was the weird hero/underworlds crew listing.

 Pael wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
WHY did the make the new Vargulf exclusive to only one bloodline, and only as part of some overcosted hero unit!? Ugh...

This can be said for the grave keeper, vykros blood born and the korgi orc undead models too. I was expecting new generic profiles for all of them. All we got was the weird hero/underworlds crew listing.

What really sucks is the undead Ogres (Korgi) would make a fantastic elite unit to run in deathrattle al a the Bladeguard from Lumineth, and honestly would have been a great thing to replace the horrid looking Grave Guard with. But sadly I think those sculpts will never again see any use.

Just ended up reminding me how much I enjoy not dealing with the weird potholes of matched play.

Built my Blood Knights last night, and they’re a pretty cool kit.

For once the reins weren’t in the least bit fiddly, and the overall construction is pretty solid.

Built them with command and swords, because I think the swords just look cooler than the lances, somehow a bit more martial.

Grotsnik - do you have any of the old Blood Knights to compare them to? Curious if the 20 old metal and finecast ones I have will look ok next to the new plastic ones or not.

Afraid not. They came out when I last worked for GW, and if I couldn’t justify them on staff discount, they had no chance at full price!

Should be fine, if my memory of them isn't deceiving me.

Honestly I think the metal/Finecast versions might be a bit bigger?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Should be fine, if my memory of them isn't deceiving me.

Honestly I think the metal/Finecast versions might be a bit bigger?

Thats incredibly unlikely given the general trend of baseline humans sculpted for AoS standing head and shoulders above baseline humans sculpted for WHFB. I know vamps aren't "baseline humans" anymore, but I wouldn't expect their WHFB incarnations to have been sculpted that much bigger than one, whereas AoS vamps have been trending towards the huge side.

They really don’t strike me as being particularly large.

What I can do, when I remember, is a side by side with Ossiarch cavalry?

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Should be fine, if my memory of them isn't deceiving me.

Honestly I think the metal/Finecast versions might be a bit bigger?

Thats incredibly unlikely given the general trend of baseline humans sculpted for AoS standing head and shoulders above baseline humans sculpted for WHFB. I know vamps aren't "baseline humans" anymore, but I wouldn't expect their WHFB incarnations to have been sculpted that much bigger than one, whereas AoS vamps have been trending towards the huge side.

Which baseline humans are you referring to? We only have a handful of characters and warcry cultists, who are the same size as WHFB era humans.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Should be fine, if my memory of them isn't deceiving me.

Honestly I think the metal/Finecast versions might be a bit bigger?

Thats incredibly unlikely given the general trend of baseline humans sculpted for AoS standing head and shoulders above baseline humans sculpted for WHFB. I know vamps aren't "baseline humans" anymore, but I wouldn't expect their WHFB incarnations to have been sculpted that much bigger than one, whereas AoS vamps have been trending towards the huge side.

Haven't built the new BKs yet, but the old ones were surprisingly large models. Around Varanguard sized if I'm remembering right.

That they fit on the 'normal' cavalry base was just because they were hunched in with very little dynamicism.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Should be fine, if my memory of them isn't deceiving me.

Honestly I think the metal/Finecast versions might be a bit bigger?

Thats incredibly unlikely given the general trend of baseline humans sculpted for AoS standing head and shoulders above baseline humans sculpted for WHFB. I know vamps aren't "baseline humans" anymore, but I wouldn't expect their WHFB incarnations to have been sculpted that much bigger than one, whereas AoS vamps have been trending towards the huge side.

Which baseline humans are you referring to? We only have a handful of characters and warcry cultists, who are the same size as WHFB era humans.

The Silver Tower Warrior Priest is massive next to WHFB Empire humans.

That, but also the Cursed City humans are massive as well, as are the Warcry humans - not sure why you would think they arent?

Chaos-empowered humans have always been bigger; note how the regular human of the warband in the last image is the exact same height as the guardsman. The human characters you are referring to are the same size as the freeguild general who is our best analogue.

I will admit I cannot speak for Cursed City models.

I think people confuse the 6th-to-8th WHFB scale creep with being an AoS thing. Having minis in more dynamic poses also makes them seem larger, as does big hats. Fyreslayers are the same height as 8th dwarfs but certainly seem larger thanks to a 30% height boost via mohawk.

The new blood knights are noticeably bigger than the previous ones.

Image from Facebook.

Does anyone know if there is still a way to take a mounted vampire lord??

Overall, I love the book but that option missing is thoroughly annoying.

Only as a counts as Wolf Granny I think.

zombie_sky_diver wrote:
Does anyone know if there is still a way to take a mounted vampire lord??

Overall, I love the book but that option missing is thoroughly annoying.

No mounted lord no... very annoying.

I'm planning to run mine as a Vengorian lord, on a fancy base. He's fairly chunky already, based on a Varanguard.

It IS lame that there is no nightmare-mounted vlord option. I feel like it would not have been difficult to include a special head/weapon/torso in the blood knight kit to make one of the models as a vlord.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It IS lame that there is no nightmare-mounted vlord option. I feel like it would not have been difficult to include a special head/weapon/torso in the blood knight kit to make one of the models as a vlord.

It's made me wonder exactly how implemented the Anvil of Apotheosis variants will be going forward.

 Stux wrote:


No mounted lord no... very annoying.

I'm planning to run mine as a Vengorian lord, on a fancy base. He's fairly chunky already, based on a Varanguard.

I dont understand why they couldn't include that.
I'm probably going to use mine as a Vengorian Lord as well, especially since that model is god awful.

What makes the lack of mounted lord extra frustrating is you can't do an all mounted Kastelai Dynasty with all Blood Knights. What are you going to do? Have your one Hero on food playing catchup all game with the faster calvary??

*edited spelling of Kastelai Dynasty

Zombie Dragons are mounts.

You also have Prince Vhordrai on Shordemaire with the KASTELAI DYNASTY keyword.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It IS lame that there is no nightmare-mounted vlord option. I feel like it would not have been difficult to include a special head/weapon/torso in the blood knight kit to make one of the models as a vlord.

It's made me wonder exactly how implemented the Anvil of Apotheosis variants will be going forward.

Maybe we as a community could get together and create an unofficial resource of 'missing' hero options made using the Anvil, specifically tuned to be both generic and well-balanced. Obviously it is not much compared to something official, but it would grant a higher level of legitimacy for players who want to run something like that in casual games beyond 'hey guys I made this warcroll'.

My biggest issue is the "warband" style the used for cursed city.

There are a ton of great themed units and heros there and they lumped them all together.

Want to add to them or take additional units? Nope.

Really should have given them all separate entries in the book and then offered them together as a battalion.
Was hoping to run a couple of blocks of dead ogres, glad I waited before pulling the trigger and buying 10.

Just feels like a massive mistake to have all those themed units locked together as a single purchase.

Because of the unique entry you can't even take more than one either.

Honestly hoping a FAQ allows them to separate.



Given how they don't like splitting this stuff though due to not having individual sets, I highly doubt they will.

Only silver lining is a wider acceptance of counts as due to the unwieldy and (likely) rare use as intended.

Everything around Cursed City has been weird, I really have no idea what was going on. Though come to think of it this tome does have a number of sporadic and strange errors/design choices puncturing what is otherwise more consistent with standard AoS rules writing. Hm.

-Wight king command ability being non functional, and black knights having a 5+ when they clearly should have a 4+. Basic errors here, but still obvious and game affecting rather than being a random typo.

-Zombies doing mortal wounds, and having a pile-in ability previously only associated with extremely agile units. It very inconsistent with how those rules have been applied in the past, to say nothing of theme and game function.

-Skeletons having an resurrection ability that is thematic and extremely powerful but also completely unique within a tome where lots of other units share the same theme. There is precedent for this sort of thing, but I note it is on top of the other stuff.

-Every vampire lord's basic melee weapon profile being standardized. Don't get me wrong--I LOVE that they did this and it is my single most favorite design aspect of the tome (ok I know I'm weird on liking it so much but still). But it is still very unusual for consistency in this element when AoS has up until this point almost entirely had analogous profiles differentiated even when there is no reason to do so.

Some other stuff too that I can't recall off the top of my head.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It IS lame that there is no nightmare-mounted vlord option. I feel like it would not have been difficult to include a special head/weapon/torso in the blood knight kit to make one of the models as a vlord.

The kits aren't really designed for that. You buy 5 blood knights, you get exactly 5 blood knights. The old days where kits could be bashed easily and a captain for example could be built from mixing bits from vanguard and tacticals is gone. No model, no rules. However, I think they'll get an update next year like Lumineth did, adding in a lot more kits. So it's possible that one such kit might arrive in the near future. However, I do believe their is a lord on a Terrorgeist, which is cav and can keep up.