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I think it's less that they're essential in getting supply and demand matched than they're seeing an opportunity in demand unmatched by supply.

   
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to the OP yea i would play them outside of them being some sort of terrible behavior ( i don't' consider scalping plastic minis to be something making a person morally bankrupt just find it to personally be distasteful) then i would happily play most people in a pickup game. throw some dice have a brew (or 3) and forge an interesting narrative about why we are fighting and the repercussions for each of losing.

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 Ketara wrote:
 the_scotsman wrote:

I guess all I can say is get over it?

...errr...exactly! Albeit from the other direction I think?

People are going to not like you sometimes, and "I'm going to play a wargame with you for 3+ hours" is a bar high enough that I want to generally like the person I'm going to be spending that time with.

I play wargames to play wargames. Sometimes I like the person and play them again. Sometimes I like them a lot and they become a friend. Sometimes I don't like them for a reason (like being smelly, as you say) and don't play them again. But in none of those calculations falls 'How do you make a living' unless it's something really reprehensible. Car salespeople use slimy tactics. Bank managers too. As you say, any company large enough to have executives. I don't discover that and then refuse to play them.

At the end of the day, if I get on with someone, enjoy their personal company, and have good games with them; I'm not going to suddenly refuse to play them again and blacklist them as a terrible person because they flip some plastic soldiers.It's not an active enough moral concern for me that it overwrites my basic interpersonal dynamics (aka, do I like you and being around you). I've known people go vegan and start pulling that sort of gak ('You're such a terrible person to be a meateater, I couldn't possibly be around you anymore'). It's just so OTT and self-righteous. For something to elicit that sort of moral reaction on my part and completely wipe away the interpersonal dynamic, there needs to be something majorly serious (likes torturing animals, Nazism, scalps for essential goods, whatever).

Otherwise you end up with people refusing to talk to each other because one bought from Primark whilst the other one considers it unethical, or because someone likes Frankie Boyle, or something. And yes, I've seen people fall out over those two things.


OK. And that's fine that that's your opinion. It's an opinion poll. It seems like a little less than half of folks on here would consider someone's career choice to be a reason to avoid them at the game table.

People on here seem to treat "refusing to play a game with someone" as some super active, personal, confrontational thing. It's bizarre to me. You just ask different people to play with you than the people who you're generally avoiding. It's not 'refusing to speak to them' or 'spitting in their face when they come over.' It's just choosing not to spend three hours interacting with the person.

The distinction for me I guess is, there's a difference between me being OK with being around someone, and me thinking it'd be a good time to actively hang out with someone as my main conversational partner for three to four hours at a time. I think of pretty much any career where a person actively makes other peoples' lives worse, even in a fairly minor fashion, to be enough that I wouldn't want to actively spend three to four hours of my time hanging out with them.

If I found out someone was a payday loan salesman, a house flipper, an ebay scalper, an engineer for a weapons firm or an advertising guy for a cigarette company, I wouldn't want to spend time with them actively even if I could reasonably hold a conversation with them. I'd actively consider that kind of thing to be MORE compelling than if occasionally they forget the ol' deodorant.

"I can't believe all these tryhard WAACs out there just care about winning all the time when it's supposed to be a game for fun!!!!!!! Also here's my 27 page essay on why marines are OP and Orkz should get a bunch of OP rules so I can win more games

-the_scotsman"

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 the_scotsman wrote:

If I found out someone was a payday loan salesman, a house flipper, an ebay scalper, an engineer for a weapons firm or an advertising guy for a cigarette company, I wouldn't want to spend time with them actively even if I could reasonably hold a conversation with them. I'd actively consider that kind of thing to be MORE compelling than if occasionally they forget the ol' deodorant.

So if your best friend decided to get a job at the MoD, you'd just stare at them blankly and say 'Well, I suppose we can't be friends now'? Or if you were getting on with someone really well, had several games down the club, and then found out they ran the local betting shop; you'd be like 'No, I'm terribly sorry, I know we've had some cracking games, but I just can't enjoy myself anymore whilst knowing what an awful place you work'?

I'm not entirely sure that you (or indeed, many of the people who voted) actually would, regardless of what you might say anonymously online. At the risk of Darwining it, Germany in the 1930's showed that people are willing to ignore a lot to not rock the boat. We're social animals. If we have a good interpersonal rapport, we tend to roll with it and ignore a lot.

It's also true that nobody is forced to play or socialise with anybody at the end of the day, but that does cut both ways. I think I'd find a priggish judgmental attitude (even if not directed at me personally and just at somebody else) far more repelling than actually working in any of the named professions. Even if someone like that found my own trade morally acceptable, they'd probably decide that they couldn't bear my clothing label or something next week.

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 Ketara wrote:
 the_scotsman wrote:

If I found out someone was a payday loan salesman, a house flipper, an ebay scalper, an engineer for a weapons firm or an advertising guy for a cigarette company, I wouldn't want to spend time with them actively even if I could reasonably hold a conversation with them. I'd actively consider that kind of thing to be MORE compelling than if occasionally they forget the ol' deodorant.

So if your best friend decided to get a job at the MoD, you'd just stare at them blankly and say 'Well, I suppose we can't be friends now'? Or if you were getting on with someone really well, had several games down the club, and then found out they ran the local betting shop; you'd be like 'No, I'm terribly sorry, I know we've had some cracking games, but I just can't enjoy myself anymore whilst knowing what an awful place you work'?

I'm not entirely sure that you (or indeed, many of the people who voted) actually would, regardless of what you might say anonymously online. At the risk of Darwining it, Germany in the 1930's showed that people are willing to ignore a lot to not rock the boat. We're social animals. If we have a good interpersonal rapport, we tend to roll with it and ignore a lot.

It's also true that nobody is forced to play or socialise with anybody at the end of the day, but that does cut both ways. I think I'd find a priggish judgmental attitude (even if not directed at me personally and just at somebody else) far more repelling than actually working in any of the named professions. Even if someone like that found my own trade morally acceptable, they'd probably decide that they couldn't bear my clothing label or something next week.


No, I'd probably just stop actively seeking out games to play with them. Like I said, it's not this super personal, confrontational thing. There's 15-odd opponents available every week. Incredibly easy to tailor my gaming experience to only play with people I personally enjoy the company of.

And following the particular choice of metaphor that you've gone with here...I think I come out looking a little bit better for it than someone who ignores stuff like that....

"I can't believe all these tryhard WAACs out there just care about winning all the time when it's supposed to be a game for fun!!!!!!! Also here's my 27 page essay on why marines are OP and Orkz should get a bunch of OP rules so I can win more games

-the_scotsman"

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 the_scotsman wrote:

No, I'd probably just stop actively seeking out games to play with them. Like I said, it's not this super personal, confrontational thing. There's 15-odd opponents available every week. Incredibly easy to tailor my gaming experience to only play with people I personally enjoy the company of.


People I enjoy the personal company of =/= people whose minor life decisions I morally endorse or approve of. And therein lies the difference between us, I suspect. Having the two equate to the same thing sounds exhausting.

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 Ketara wrote:
 the_scotsman wrote:

No, I'd probably just stop actively seeking out games to play with them. Like I said, it's not this super personal, confrontational thing. There's 15-odd opponents available every week. Incredibly easy to tailor my gaming experience to only play with people I personally enjoy the company of.


People I enjoy the personal company of =/= people whose minor life decisions I morally endorse or approve of. And therein lies the difference between us, I suspect. Having the two equate to the same thing sounds exhausting.



I think if you consider someone's career to be a 'minor life decision' then it would be. We do after all spend the majority of our waking hours at work, so if your work is something morally reprehensible, that means you spend most of your time awake adding to the overall human misery of the world rather than detracting from it or keeping things basically neutral.

So yeah, I consider that to be more of a thing to hold against someone socially than minor breaches of interpersonal conduct. It probably comes from being in a general career where you can perform the same work and either design things that make peoples' lives better or design things that make peoples' lives worse. I know of a lot of people whose sum contribution to the world has been a marginal increase in efficiency of the manufacture of the missiles we use to blow up children overseas, so it's something I pay attention to in the people I choose to associate with.

"I can't believe all these tryhard WAACs out there just care about winning all the time when it's supposed to be a game for fun!!!!!!! Also here's my 27 page essay on why marines are OP and Orkz should get a bunch of OP rules so I can win more games

-the_scotsman"

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I think we've pretty much summed up the two positions between us.

I don't mind playing with someone who flips boxes of warhammer for profit because I consider it a natural facet of normal capitalism; whereas you feel it to be an ethical stain which taints their entire character to the point that you wouldn't associate with them whenever possible on general moral principle.

If you don't mind me asking (just as a 100% neutral and inoffensively intended side-query); do you honestly believe your own life/person to be so free of moral vice that you can adopt that positon without being a massive hypocrite? Because I honestly don't think I could, and I don't think anyone I've ever met/known in detail could either.

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Well, speaking for him a bit, but the_scotsman doesn't seem the sort of person, based purely on posts, to chase down somebody who has refused a game and try to force them to play based on his moral purity.

It's sort of a subjective thing, anyways. Somebody might find his refusing to play with a payday loan salesman morally reprehensible and refuse a game with him. That wouldn't make him a hypocrite.

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 Ketara wrote:
I think we've pretty much summed up the two positions between us.

I don't mind playing with someone who flips boxes of warhammer for profit because I consider it a natural facet of normal capitalism; whereas you feel that it somehow taints their entire character to the point that you refuse to associate with them if possible on moral principle.

If you don't mind me asking (just as a 100% neutral and inoffensively intended side-query); do you honestly believe your own life/person to be so free of moral vice that you can adopt that positon without being a massive hypocrite? Because I honestly don't think I could, and I don't think anyone I've ever met/known in detail could either.


I'm sure, lol, 100% neutral side-query worded in a 100% neutral and not at all biased way right there.

Yeah, I do not see myself as a hypocrite for choosing to not spend hours of my life with a person who makes their career that way, unless we're constructing some kind of bizarre scenario where they're...I don't know, a warhammer scalper by day and they run a not-for-profit orphanage by night or something.

Take two identical people, one of them is some kind of person who adds some thing of value to the world through their career, be that engineering, architecture, art, construction, machining, whatever, and the other person just extracts money from random people they don't know and doesn't add much of anything, say by owning land or property, offering payday loans, owning a pawn shop, living off of welfare, or scalping luxury goods, I don't think I need to be a perfect moral paragon to judge the first person as generally a better person than the other and consider them to be more of a person I want to spend time around.

In fact, the people who have in the past made careers that have added to the overall level of human misery in the world I've found are more likely to make those kind of judgements/avoid the company of people who still live that kind of life. I know lawyers who previously worked for insurance companies basically to try and find any way to avoid giving people the money they were owed after they suffered a personal injury or loss, and now they are far more likely to avoid the kind of person who actively pursues that kind of career than others.


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Well, speaking for him a bit, but the_scotsman doesn't seem the sort of person, based purely on posts, to chase down somebody who has refused a game and try to force them to play based on his moral purity.

It's sort of a subjective thing, anyways. Somebody mind find his refusing to play with a payday loan salesman morally reprehensible and refuse a game with him. That wouldn't make him a hypocrite.


Or, to give a current example right now, if I make a post on the bit of our server dedicated to finding games, and someone else chooses to make a post directly underneath that saying "also looking for a game, bringing blood angels", I'm not about to take personal offense that that person didn't instead respond to my post and play with me, or ask why he didn't look for a game with me, or take it as a personal slight.

It's a game that requires a long time commitment both in terms of pre-planning and in terms of actually playing the game. It's vastly beyond the level of holding a brief conversation with someone, or hanging out in a group with someone - it's more like choosing to go out and have lunch with somebody one-on-one.

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"I can't believe all these tryhard WAACs out there just care about winning all the time when it's supposed to be a game for fun!!!!!!! Also here's my 27 page essay on why marines are OP and Orkz should get a bunch of OP rules so I can win more games

-the_scotsman"

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 the_scotsman wrote:

Yeah, I do not see myself as a hypocrite for choosing to not spend hours of my life with a person who makes their career that way,


I'll take your word for it, and say that you must be a rare individual in that case (EDIT:- I feel like I need to specifiy that actually wasn't sarcasm either - I don't know you after all).

This is the thing I suppose. I view people as being vastly multifaceted individuals capable of (as you put it) running the soup kitchen with one hand and working in advertising psychology in the other. After all, how many paragons of society turn out to be wife-beaters at home? How many Christian priests diddling little kids behind the altars? Even on a less serious level, I've known honest people who were control freaks in their relationships, self-declared liberals who quite happily advocate violence against groups they dislike, good cause protestors who still bitch behind backs like teenagers, and so on. Saints and sinners all at the same time. And that's without even going into moral areas where there really is no right answer.

When I was a teenager, I used to view the world in a much more black and white way. Since I've grown older, I discovered that people are much more....well, complicated would be the word. So long as there's not some sort of serious harm being done (physical violence, child abuse, etc), I try to be a lot more 'live and let live' and less judgemental. Flipping a handful of toy soldiers just doesn't warrant (to me at least) the severity of the moral judgment and behavioural response that you seem to minimise and take for granted. But that's just me.

I think I've made my view on things clear, so I'll end there and spare you any further ramblings.

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Id play the scalper. Heck I've flipped some stuff myself.

Theres a difference bewteen doing things at some sort of commercial level buyign up tonnes of stock, and flipping some sprues made for an army you don't play which you can get at a huge discount so that you can afford to buy stuff for your army that's old as gak..

I'd mainly play them to gauge if they have a copy of Liber Xenologis they don't really want and can let it go at a reasonable price

Apart from the most recent debacles I think GW pre orders and 3rd party shops have been pretty good. So if you didn't buy something at the time it was available at the price GW set from GW or a 3rd party because you didn't have the money or weren't sure if you wanted and then it goes OOP that's kind of on you.

For example:

I would have bought cursed city If paid attention to release dates. Alas I missed the boat and now people who haven't are floging their copies at 100+% mark up.
I don't want cursed city that badly so I won't pay that price.

I guess what im saying is you cant expect things to be for sale forever... If you really wanted something, what exactly stopped you buying it in the first place? Have a relationship with your local GW / 3rd party store and put down the ££/$$$ for the stuf you really really want. If they get shafted with the amount of copies write to GW and complain. But not sure why you'd hate someone else for managing to get a couple copies.. The market dictates the price. I only ever re-sell at buyers prices. So if buyers are willing to pay 150% and others are selling at that mark up, why would I go out of my way to lose out ? I dotn see anyone else doing hand outs for me..

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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I think some people are getting confused with "making a profit" and "scalping".

The two are not synonymous.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think some people are getting confused with "making a profit" and "scalping".

The two are not synonymous.


Facts.

How many people and Warhammer Youtube guys told everyone to buy the Recruit edition and sell of the marines to offset the cost of the Necron warriors?
That's just good common sense.

What if you found someone who also wanted the Warden? And someone else wanted more Scarabs?

Everyone got a good deal and you got free Necron warriors or $5 and some free Necron warriors.
   
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I found the launch of Indomitus most fascinating.

Poeple had ebay shops with selling specific parts of of the box as a pre-order.

Some guys had like 20+ copies ordered it seemed which was a bit nuts.

Don't get me wrong I get it, but its a lot of leg work to get a few £. Even with free Packaging (like I get at work) I'm too lazy to sell of the surplus I have lying around for months lol.

Maybe this weekend.

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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Back when I was a regular in my local GW, I didn't care if anyone was scalping, so long as they weren't making their deal INSIDE the store.

Realistically, I'd give the person a game, maybe 2, to judge whether they are donkey caves or not.

Now, all bets would be off if, for instance, they were bragging about selling a mined out graphics card on eBay while listing it as new. That sort of dishonest behavior is going to attract my attention, because they have no problems cheating there, I'd bet money they'll cheat at plastic toy soldiers.
   
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 Ketara wrote:
 the_scotsman wrote:

Yeah, I do not see myself as a hypocrite for choosing to not spend hours of my life with a person who makes their career that way,


I'll take your word for it, and say that you must be a rare individual in that case (EDIT:- I feel like I need to specifiy that actually wasn't sarcasm either - I don't know you after all).

This is the thing I suppose. I view people as being vastly multifaceted individuals capable of (as you put it) running the soup kitchen with one hand and working in advertising psychology in the other. After all, how many paragons of society turn out to be wife-beaters at home? How many Christian priests diddling little kids behind the altars? Even on a less serious level, I've known honest people who were control freaks in their relationships, self-declared liberals who quite happily advocate violence against groups they dislike, good cause protestors who still bitch behind backs like teenagers, and so on. Saints and sinners all at the same time. And that's without even going into moral areas where there really is no right answer.

When I was a teenager, I used to view the world in a much more black and white way. Since I've grown older, I discovered that people are much more....well, complicated would be the word. So long as there's not some sort of serious harm being done (physical violence, child abuse, etc), I try to be a lot more 'live and let live' and less judgemental. Flipping a handful of toy soldiers just doesn't warrant (to me at least) the severity of the moral judgment and behavioural response that you seem to minimise and take for granted. But that's just me.

I think I've made my view on things clear, so I'll end there and spare you any further ramblings.


It kind of feels like we're viewing 'choosing not to play a game with someone' in two very different ways. I wouldn't choose to play a wargame with most of the people I know who I just consider just acquaintances, coworkers, whatever.

"I can't believe all these tryhard WAACs out there just care about winning all the time when it's supposed to be a game for fun!!!!!!! Also here's my 27 page essay on why marines are OP and Orkz should get a bunch of OP rules so I can win more games

-the_scotsman"

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 Argive wrote:
But not sure why you'd hate someone else for managing to get a couple copies.. The market dictates the price. I only ever re-sell at buyers prices. So if buyers are willing to pay 150% and others are selling at that mark up, why would I go out of my way to lose out ?
From a buyers perspective you've put a 50% tax on the product, and regardless of whether they are willing to pay or not you've added cost without adding value.
   
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 Argive wrote:
But not sure why you'd hate someone else for managing to get a couple copies.. The market dictates the price. I only ever re-sell at buyers prices. So if buyers are willing to pay 150% and others are selling at that mark up, why would I go out of my way to lose out ?
From a buyers perspective you've put a 50% tax on the product, and regardless of whether they are willing to pay or not you've added cost without adding value.


If there is no value why are they buying?
If I bought something and held onto it, and that's gone OOP I have invested my liquidity into the product for however many years/months. Why should I not charge for the investment?
If I'm selling them a part of a box I'm offering the service of them not having to buy the entire box and in turn sell off the crap they don't want.

With things like indomitus pretty much everything was being sold under the eventual RRP price.
With other boxes stuff doesn't get released period. So they would have to get the whole box to get one part.

Supply and demand.
There is a lot of demand for for OOP High elf dragon lords. There's bugger all supply unfortunately so they are being sold for £150+.
I refuse to pay that price. Guess I will never own that model until other people decide they don't pay either.

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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 Argive wrote:

Supply and demand.
There is a lot of demand for for OOP High elf dragon lords. There's bugger all supply unfortunately so they are being sold for £150+.
I refuse to pay that price. Guess I will never own that model until other people decide they don't pay either.


This plays out in all sorts of areas, not just Warhams stuff. For instance, I have a hard and fast personal rule that I won't pay more than 15% above MSRP for OOP scale models. If none are available for close to the original retail price (some exceptions would apply) then I'll either wait for a repop, or hope another company takes the subject on.

You see a ton of this right now with gaming consoles. Because of Current Events, PS5s and X-box systems are going for double their retail price, because people put that much value onto them. Same same with graphics cards.


Now, in theme of this topic, were I at the local shop, and hear some guy talking about how he put a load of mined out graphics cards on ebay, and listed them as being NEW, then yeah, I'd give a long hard think about playing against them. IF they are willing to cheat that way, what sort of cheating are they OK with, and going to attempt in a dice throwing competition with plastic toy soldiers?
   
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Depends on the scale. If they are just a person who buys, say, two or so boxes, and sell them at a higher price, then yeah, I will play them. If the guys buy out my entire local game store stock or use bots to buy every item, no, **** off, I am not playing with you. Because these people are bad/toxic for the community. I have quit games because Scalpers have artificially increased the prices by so much, it's no longer worth playing that game. I use to play Dragonball Super TCG, I tend to buy most of my cards as singles, with some rare exceptions of me buying some starters, boosters or special boxes. One time, a year or two ago, I bought a card for 80 dollars because I really needed that for my deck. Now a day's that card is 300 dollars. All the cards in that game have skyrocketed in price, and as a result, I have left that TCG because it's way too expensive.

Think about it from this point of view, someone is new to GW or is considering joining the hobby. They need a box but all the copies/boxes have been bought due to scalpers and they look online and see how expensive it is. They decided the hobby is too expensive and not worth it, and instead, they play another game or find another hobby. Right now GW hasn't been hit as hard as TCG's and I am thankful for that and I hope it never does get as bad as TCG's.

Edit: TCG = Trading Card Game

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I don't see why not honestly. Scalpers esentially just cash in on people's impatience. You don't have to buy that shiny new kit for 500% its price, just wait a couple of weeks and buy it when things settle down.
Furthermore supply problems of this type can only exist if the company making the product intentionaly releases an insufficient amount of product to generate hype or make things look excusive.
Using the example above - trading card games - a piece of cardboard with ink on it can't jump in value for a significant amount of time to 300$ because of scalpers. It costs the company making the card a litteral penny to make a copy. If they really wanted to lower the price of the card they would have done so.

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If there is no value why are they buying?
No added value.
Scalpers are in effect the people who reach over the kids heads to take the last he-man off the shelf and then tell them they can have it if their parents pay double.

People who provide an actual service - such as bitz resellers - I wouldn't consider to be scalpers.
   
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For me it really depends on scale and to an extent whether the set was new or OOP. With OOP models, I can forgive it a lot more than with new, limited edition boxed sets.

But ultimately no one has to buy any of this stuff, so it's not like the consumers are free of culpability.

I do take exception to the idea that just because something is capitalism there is no moral element to it though. There's a moral element (I'd rather say ethical) to everything, and you can't just exclude capitalism because you don't want to discuss the ethical aspects of that system.

   
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I don't have much respect for someone who scalps multiple copies of an entire game at release, but it's totally fine in my eyes when someone buys multiple copies of a GW game with exclusive minis and breaks the game up to sell the minis individually.

Lots of people are only interested in a handful of minis from the limited or oop games.

It's also fine if someone sells their copy for a profit years later or finds copies for sale at retail years later and then makes a profit.

That being said, supply and demand for luxury items isn't something I can understand getting worked up about.

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It's not morally reprehensible, it's just capitalism.

Those two are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they go together like colonialism and genocide or american fruit companies and coups in central america.

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SamusDrake wrote:
Andykp wrote:
I buy big box sets like the Christmas army boxes and keep bits and sell the loss. Rarely make money on them, often just break even but get stuff I want. I have done it with limited run boxes but only when I want bits of it. Never Buy a box to sell that I don’t want at all. Does that make me a bad person. I get a kit or two I want, everyone else gets market price other kits. With the marine Xmas a while ago I kept the repulsor and sold the marines. They sold for less than a new box of them. I got a repulsor free but had to list and post all the other stuff. Very rare you get something that is genuinely limited even rarer that you should sell stuff for more than they are worth. Seems to be an odd thing to exclude someone for. As someone with limited funds it makes the hobby affordable.

I make more money buying limited models and selling them painted. That’s where the profit is. For example, selling ghaz on unbuilt the going rate was around £45. I sold mine painted for £125.


To put it into perspective, this is a scalper; they walk into a shop and buy up all the SNES minis they have in stock for £70 each and then re-sells them on Ebay for £200 each...

"I'll take all of them"

...there are a lot of downsides for the retailer if they let this happen and it comes in the form of complaints that take up time( "why didn't you order in enough stock?" ) and sometimes goodwill has to be dished out, and loss of sales on other lines; "might as well pick up bread & milk while I'm here." Applying this to a Warhammer store - even the online store - you might add a White Dwarf or a painting handle to your purchase of Dominion. If a scalper walked in and purchased all 10 copies of Dominion in stock then that store loses out on those additional potential sales and are going to face a backlash from the other 9 customers who are genuinely there for a single copy or two.

My friend, in contrast you are merely selling on what you don't want from a kit and making a bit of money in the process. In a way you are are doing others a service...

Last year I purchased a copy of Blackstone Fortress from Wayland games, but it was missing the exploration deck. Dealing with the non-GW retailer was going to be nothing but hassle, but because someone was selling off contents of their copy of BSF on EBay, I was able to purchase a replacement deck for £3 which was worth it for the time and hassle it saved me in dealing with either Wayland or GW, which might have meant sending my copy back even though I'd already assembled the models...

As for Ghaz you have added value to that model in the form of a service, as you're including not only materials but also time and effort.

In a nutshell, I'd be happy to have a game with you!


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For me it depends on the circumstances. If they enjoy gaming, and part out unwanted faction / excess stuff for a bit of a profit I totally get it. If they buy three Indomitus boxes, sit on them, flip them then complain about GW while you are trying to play a match, no way.

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