Blood Angels Thread V.3

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**H.B.M.C.**

So reds8n, what say you to this "The Lander doesn't exist!!!" chatter we're getting?

**Redemption**

bhsman wrote:Also, courtesy of the Voice back at Warseer:

Heavy Flamers and Heavy Bolters, yes.

This is The Truth.

Sanguinary Guard look very similar to Sanguinor, with muscled armour, winged Jump Packs, haloed heads, two-handed weapons (three swords, two axes) and wrist-mounted Bolters. There are additional wrist mounted weapons of the Melta and Plasma variety and a lovely battle standard.

This is The Truth.

The first part refers to the Flamestorm Cannon being confirmed as a turret weapon with Heavy Flamers kept as sponsons, as I suspected. If the Sanguinary Guard are plastic, well, there goes the neighborhood.

I love it when a plan comes together!

**reds8n**

JohnHwangDD wrote:So Sanguinary Guard are the muscle armor guys?...

and then some.

Ball can indeed take the redeemer pattern flamer as a turret option AFAIK.

So reds8n, what say you to this "The Lander doesn't exist!!!" chatter we're getting?

knows to be honest. Ages and ages ago I heard about something .. a "Storm Raven".. was what I heard, which would indeed be/fit this lander, the only place it could have fitted would be the BA IMO.

So in all honesty I'm 50/50 at the moment, sorry I can't be of more help.

I guess it's not impossible they might release the model in the future, have pulled it as not being viable, it might in fact be for another release -- if BT's and/or Grey Knights do roll out this year I guess it could fit with them maybe ?

Frankly there's some rather

crazy rumours flying around/from GW at the moment, some of which, if true I hasten to add, had me face palming so hard I nearly knocked myself out.

**Redemption**

reds8n wrote: knows to be honest. Ages and ages ago I heard about something .. a "Storm Raven".. was what I heard, which would indeed be/fit this lander, the only place it could have fitted would be the BA IMO.

So in all honesty I'm 50/50 at the moment, sorry I can't be of more help.

Hmm, that does match the cryptic rumours coming from Scryer in the Dark, who said it wasn't called a Storm Harbinger, but it was close. And ravens and crows are seen as harbingers in myth and folklore.

But unless they've managed to keep the model a very well kept secret, we can at least be sure there's no first wave model, even if it is actually in the new codex.

**Gargskull**

reds8n wrote:Frankly there's some rather crazy rumours flying around/from GW at the moment, some of which, if true I hasten to add, had me face palming so hard I nearly knocked myself out.

More stupid stuff like marines on wolves you mean?

**reds8n**

No no, I meant more "New coke" level of WTFness.

**1hadhq**

reds8n wrote:

So reds8n, what say you to this "The Lander doesn't exist!!!" chatter we're getting?

knows to be honest. Ages and ages ago I heard about something .. a "Storm Raven".. was what I heard, which would indeed be/fit this lander, the only place it could have fitted would be the BA IMO.

So in all honesty I'm 50/50 at the moment, sorry I can't be of more help.

I guess it's not impossible they might release the model in the future, have pulled it as not being viable, it might in fact be for another release -- if BT's and/or Grey Knights do roll out this year I guess it could fit with them maybe ?

=> Storm eagle drop ship from IA 8 mayhaps?

Part of a list, the elysians of that list are already 'official' products of FW.

**reds8n**

I don't think so the FW rumours coem from different people

..

.. and there's some crackin' FW stuff ahead

..

...maybe the idea just didn't ..fly ?

**Redemption**

reds8n wrote:...maybe the idea just didn't ..fly ?

Ouch, that pun must have hurt. :p

**1hadhq**

reds8n wrote: I don't think so the FW rumours come from different people ..

.. and there's some crackin' FW stuff ahead ..

...maybe the idea just didn't ..fly ?

Adding to the confusion?

Has this changed:

Would prefer not

**H.B.M.C.**

reds8n wrote:No no, I meant more "New coke" level of WTFness.

Give us a good one, just for fun.

**reds8n**

... there's a whole load of models/kits being pulled at the moment, standard inventory cleaning methinks...

..but.... and I'll stress this is just a whisper, an echo so to speak, of a rumour going around...

..that the Beastman battalion will in fact be the last battalion/battleforce they do, with the others being removed as the stocks run out.

..seems an incredibly stupid thing to do to me....*obvious punchline here*

I'll say again for internet clarity I don't know how, if at all, true this is.. could be, for example, just an idea that was floated.

**H.B.M.C.**

It'd be nice if they told us which models were being pulled, so we could all buy them in a mad panic.

And if they are getting rid of BattleForces, it's because some bean counter suddenly went "Hey... they're saving money, aren't they?" and then after him and the other bean counters stopped writhing on the floor from the agony caused by the thought of less money, they decided to can them.

I'm close, aren't I?

**reds8n**

.. funnily enough that's pretty much exactly my reaction when I heard this.

I'm not sure what's being pulled and what's being pushed to direct only.

**Redemption**

I suppose seeing whether or not the Blood Angels will have a Battleforce could be an indication if there's some truth to that. The Space Wolves got one at least, so I'd expect BA to get one aswell.

**H.B.M.C.**

reds8n wrote:I'm not sure what's being pulled and what's being pushed to direct only.

Direct only I can live with - there's only so much shelf-space and at least 99% of it has to go to either Marines or Lord of the Rings. I'd just like them to, y'know, give us an indication of which models are taking their final curtain call. Y'know, if it's the Redemptionist or Enforcer models, I might buy a few more just to make sure I have spares. Ditto for the Inquisition stuff (Hereticus Inquisitor Ladies and the Throne of Judgement especially). I mean, I know GW tries their hardest to ensure we don't know what they're about to start selling (I guess they subscribe to the belief that if we know what they're going to do, that gives us power over them, like knowing a Daemon's true name), but they could at least tell us what they're about to stop selling.

**Kirasu**

but the battleforces SAVE shelf space by reducing # of boxes by 4 to 1!!

I find it absurd the bean counters think that players buying in bulk < players thinking an army is too expensive and not buying at all.. Not like it takes much money to produce their models

**jspyd3rx**

I know the one crazy thing that would make me face palm my self that I actually hurt myself would be another vanilla marine codex.

**Mahu**

Haha, like we haven't seen that complaint before.

I can actually see them dropping Battleforces. They have long stopped being any sort of bargain, and they are usually a mix match of models you may or may not need.

Their only purpose was to get new players started. But any decent retailer should know how to "guide" someone interested in the game.

I remember when I started (sometime right before the Deamonhunters Codex), and what got me into it was the Tau tanks. I remember looking at the Battleforces at the time and thinking they where too expensive, I just picked up a tank because it looked cool and seemed like a fun project. It was only later that I realized that this tank I bought had a codex attached to it.

So it is tough for me to buy the argument, especially in this economy, that a new customer will immediately buy the battleforce when they start. If anything, the trend I see is maybe a model kit or a blister.

**bhsman**

Battleforce chat ITT

**BrassScorpion**

Battleforces still offer a price break, but some are definitely better deals than others though that's been the case since they first standardized the prices at $90 US and then abandoned that about a year ago. The ones that are still less than $100 do seem to sell better than the ones now priced above the $95 mark. Even my 12-year-old son recently pointed out to me that the Battleforces don't seem to move like they did a while back. We used to see empty Battleforce shelf spots all the time at the store because they sold so quickly, but these days they just kind of sit there. GW has been tweaking a lot of prices lately and pushing the limits on what they think they can get for certain models. In some cases they guess correctly and a model sells well at a relatively high price (e.g., Valkyrie) while in other cases the volume of sales seems to be so low that they would clearly have been better off with a less aggressive price (e.g., Winged Nazgul, newer Battleforces, Greatswords). Sadly, they seem slow to react when a high price kills the sales of a new release to their detriment and that of their customers.

As for the Lander rumors, there seems to be enough behind the tales of this model for it to be real, but that doesn't mean the context surrounding it has been correct. It could be something for release further down the road if not directly released with the new Blood Angels Codex and GW sometimes takes a few years to release a model after it is finished. Patience may be required.

**JohnHwangDD**

BrassScorpion wrote:Sadly, they seem slow to react when a high price kills the sales of a new release to their detriment and that of their customers.

Like the SM Termies, GW simply lets that high price sit while they raise other prices around it. Eventually, the rest of the pricing catches up.

**Kanluwen**

So, Sanguinary Guards...
Are the two handed swords going to be a separate bit that could be used, say, for units of Dark Angel Successor Chapter Terminators in lieu of Thunder Hammers?

**reds8n**

Alas no.

**ubermosher**

reds8n wrote:
.. and there's some crackin' FW stuff ahead ..

Sounds like a clue... crackin' -> thunder -> Thunderwolf cavalry?

/wishfulthinking

**reds8n**

Yeah sorry.

AFAIK there are no plans for any T.wolf models by any section of GW any time soon.*shrugs*

AS one of my group is possibly about to start playing Space Wolves I'm actually quite chuffed about this.

**Kanluwen**

reds8n wrote:Alas no.

spankers!

Any good ideas of 2hers I can find for that purpose?

**reds8n**

I don't think they'd even be that easy to snip off and convert... guess we'll find out on Monday anyway.

As to other weapons...Emperor's champion model maybe ? Or it might be worth having a look at the WFB range, maybe the chaos warrior upgrade bitz ? http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1440007&rootCatGameStyle=

**FoxPhoenix135**

So catch me up on all the Death company rumors... here is what I got so far (please correct me):

Unique Elites Choice (That doesn't take an elite slot?)
30-model squad? Sounds iffy, might have been from the viral fandex.
No more rending.
Lemartes as an Upgrade Character.

What kind of options are we looking at? I am going to miss my rending, but with Furious Charge and FnP, they'll still be a fairly decent assault unit. Did I sum up the rumors enough, or are there more to add for the DC?

**Kanluwen**

No Greatswords, and axes would look kinda silly for the "Order of the Ascendant Blade" to be equipping their "Brotherhood of the Shattered Sword" with