All that is Dread - A new Dread - Robot thing WIP 3rd Jan

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**tipios**

Ok. Head on top, and seeing if 4 arms are better than 2!!

And here's before!! Which does Dakka prefer?

**Ovion**

I'd say that 4 arms looks decidedly cooler, and the head on top looks.. cleaner I think.

**RSJake**

I like the 4 arms! But the front ones seem to be in an odd possition, but I know you will make the connection to the torso look flawless, and look amazing! I like it.

**KrautScientist**

Sorry for being a killjoy, but in my opinion the model looks much better with two arms than with four. You have managed to make something awesome from the Defiler parts without it looking like a typical, goofy Defiler. By adding the two extra arms, you would fall into the trap you tried so carefully to avoid in my opinion.

About the head: Maybe you should try a position halfway between both versions: Not inside the stomach, but a bit higher, about where that elastic band is in the new version.

**Obsidian Raven**

KrautScientist wrote:Sorry for being a killjoy, but in my opinion the model looks much better with two arms than with four. You have managed to make something awesome from the Defiler parts without it looking like a typical, goofy Defiler. By adding the two extra arms, you would fall into the trap you tried so carefully to avoid in my opinion.

About the head: Maybe you should try a position halfway between both versions: Not inside the stomach, but a bit higher, about where that elastic band is in the new version.

I agree on this. I dont think the four arms looks very good, myself. I much prefer the two arms version.

**GiraffeX**

I'm going to go for the two armed option as well with the head where it is, the head reminds me of an angler fish for some reason ready to strike on its prey.

**Biohazard**

The 4 arms is a neat idea but the extra Defiler legs are too big for that position, do you have any sentinel legs? I have to say also that a mechanical head would fit a lot better in either position. Just my tuppence worth mate

Looks great so far and I will be borrowing ideas from this for a future project

**Rogue Wolves**

^ i agree, while i perfer the first one, i think those extra arms should be smaller

**Matt.Kingsley**

how about moving the 2 new arms to either under or even behind ( with an adjustment to the back) the 2 pre-existing arms?
and head looks better in the chest

**Zeke 169**

I'm in agreement with Kraut...sometimes less is more. I think the two arms show a better balance throughout the entire model.

I don't think you should forsake the binding of the deamon to the engie with chains that you have mentioned in the past - what if you fashioned more of a 'neck' for the deamon (out of greenstuff or miliput) so it appears that it is really straining on it's binding as if it were trying to release itself from the chest cavity of the engine as it stands...

and more chains...

**tipios**

Thanks for the respones from all you guys!!!!! much appreciated.

So conclusion so far.

2 arms wins, but maybe have 2 smaller ones instead of the defiler ones. 2 Smaller arms with a flamer and auto cannon maybe!!!!!

Try head mid way between the 1st and 2nd place. I'm gona use the head but make it half mechanical, best of both worlds

**KrautScientist**

You know, tipios, we already talked about it in my WE thread, but just in case:

One thing that would really help to enforce the impression of the daemon straining against the machine would be to make the neck look like it was really at full stretch (a little bit like the one on my Dread, you remember?) You could even use the same sort of "cabling" to suggest the strain on the part were machine and (daemon)flesh meet. Just a small idea...

**tipios**

Thanks Kraut, I am going to use the defilier CCW because of you

with flesh and extra pipes every were.

**KrautScientist**

Good man!

Looking forward to seeing your progress on this!

**tipios**

Thanks Kraut!

Hers's a ruff mock up so far. With auto cannons and flamers added to the arms.

More pipes and Flesh to be added.

**KrautScientist**

Well, tipios, I can only speak for myself of course. But as far as I'm concerned, THIS IS IT!

Looking at the side view gives me an idea: Perhaps you could add some kind of spine running from the head down the thing's back and eventually vanishing into the machine to further enforce the impression of a fusion of flesh and metal? I am thinking of something similar to the Soulgrinder's back, if that is any help.

**Biohazard**

Sorted!! This looks really good I like the placement of the head. I would maybe shave down the hair or whatever it is on the head if you are going to be adding bionics and stuff to it.

**tipios**

@kraut - thanks, I think I will try that

@biohazard - thanks, I was thinking I should shave the hair of too

Today I thought I'd try to do more painting to the IW dread.

Instead of finishing off the gold trims and other details, I went straight in with my second attempt at OSL.

**GiraffeX**

The OSL looks very nice on the dread tipios, I think you need to finish the whole dread now

**KrautScientist**

Whoa, that's some lighting alright! Kudos to you for going that far with the effect, I would have been far to afraid to try anything that radical!

It looks cool, though! It'll be interesting to see how it works out once the model is completed!

Oh and one more thing about the Defiler. I'm in the minority here, but I'm kind of fond of the hair. At least it makes the head's silhouette more interesting. Hmmm...

**Rogue Wolves**

that dread looks cool, but might i suggest that where ever the light is coming from (plasma coils i assume) make it alot brighter then the light coming off of it

**Obsidian Raven**

The dread is so awesome.

**Capitansolstice**

Sweetstuff mate!

**Ovion**

It looks good, but I'd like to see the glow coming from the mouth of the gun aswell.

**tipios**

@Giraffex - Thanks mate

your right I really need to finish him

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@Kraust - Thanks, I just went for it, may have got a bit carried away, but I'm happy with what I have learnt from it. I been looking at how to cut the hair. I think it may ruin the look of the head too, we will see, maybe only a bit off the sides, which is where the pipes will be.

@rogue - Thanks, and there's still a lot more high lighting to do, the plamsa coils will blend up to white when finished

@Obsidian - Thanks a lot!!

@capitansolstice - cheers!

@Ovion - thanks. I never thought of doing the mouth glowing too, intresting

I will try it.

**Biohazard**

The OSL looks really good, I agree the mouth of the weapon would look pretty cool if it was glowing as well. As for the haircut, I just feel at the moment it kinda looks like a Chimaera with a suit of armour on. If you cut down the hair add some pipes cables etc and then greenstufff some stretched skin over them I think it would tie it all together..

edit, I shouldnt have started drinking again. My spelling is shocking! lol

**tipios**

Thanks a lot Biohazard

I think like you titan the head could take a while

So you had the hair of the dog then!!!!

It dosn't seem like much, but I have spent all day filing the ammo cases to make them all the same size.

Also I've added deatails to the main gan holder thing. The back piece of the ammo drum will be attached to the upper part of the arm, which I've add pistons to. These are used to pull the ammo caes out.

Also I need to add the ammo boxes either side for the auto cannons.

**Obsidian Raven**

Now THATS a gun.

**tipios**

@Obsidian Raven - No, I'm just pleased too see you

Added first shell rear.

I'm gona have to GS the shell tip. I should do one then make a mould, so they all look the same.

**ChaoticMind**

You sir are mad. mad and awesome to a degree I hope to achieve at some point in the next decade. Until the I will content my self with being inspired by those greater than myself. specifically I like the look of the Termi-Grots and was wondering if I could "borrow/steal" the idea to make more Obliterators/Mega nobz to sand beside my CommissarKhaine style Mega-Grots.