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I'm definitely going to start using hydras more often in my guard army if the dark eldar move that fast. Also i'm sure there is a mad dash to get the older cheaper models including the battle force... with GW current prices you'll save around $40 and get a lot more stuff.

lonekthx wrote:You can't come on the board edge because you can't be within 1" of an enemy model, thus keeping you off the table. This doesn't work against vehicles or skimmers because they can either tank shock or fly right over, same with jump troops.

First of all, it doesn't work against tanks or skimmers. Vehicles without the "tank" type cannot tank shock. Also, you forgot jetbikes.

Second, you're missing the point - yes, you cannot move within 1" of an enemy model, but what happens if you cannot come in from reserve? Reserve rules force you to put the unit on the table. Enemy models lining the table edge will force you to NOT put the unit on the table. So you're simultaneously forced to put the unit on the table and not put the unit on the table. What happens? The rules don't give an answer, so you have to make gak up.

Hmm I'm wondering what weapons are going to be more popular on raiders and ravagers. I'd initially assume the dark lance would be the go to option, and seeing how disintegrators are no longer plasma cannons idk if they are going to be as widely used as before.

You dont make gak up. If you can't bring them on the table, you can't bring them on the table. That means they are not deployed, but neither are they in reserve. As the rules state, if they are not on the table at the end of the game, they are destroyed.

Disintegrators will still have their place.

chaos0xomega wrote:You dont make gak up. If you can't bring them on the table, you can't bring them on the table. That means they are not deployed, but neither are they in reserve. As the rules state, if they are not on the table at the end of the game, they are destroyed.

Those two highlighted statements are nowhere at all in the rules. You just made gak up. It's a perfectly fine solution, but recognize it for what it is: a house rule.

SaintHazard wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:You dont make gak up. If you can't bring them on the table, you can't bring them on the table. That means they are not deployed, but neither are they in reserve. As the rules state, if they are not on the table at the end of the game, they are destroyed.

Those two highlighted statements are nowhere at all in the rules. You just made gak up. It's a perfectly fine solution, but recognize it for what it is: a house rule.

And recognize that there is no other way to play it than with such a "house rule".

puma713 wrote:

whocares wrote: are poison, and are therefore defensive weapons.

Huh?

Edit: Nevermind, I see what you're saying. You're saying since they're Str. X, they are defensive. However, I'm not sure that they are Str. X. When looking at the weapon profiles, I don't remember many X's and if everything is poison, there would have been a ton of them.

Splinter canons are definitely poison.

And the dark eldar codex states in the beginning that all poison weapons are defensive.


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lonekthx wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

lonekthx wrote:"Page 90 BRB:

Wipeout! - Regardless of the victory conditions, if at the end of any standard mission your enemy has no units left on the table, you win the game!"

At the end of the game, this is understood as the units being destroyed for kill point purposes because the unit is not on the table, which is the same as if it were destroyed.

-Sigh- You are not listening.

The Reserves rules FORCE you to place units on the table when they arrive from reserves, so it is IMPOSSIBLE for units that have made their reserves roll to not be on the table unless something explicitly stops them from being so (being Killed, Being put back into reserves etc).

Nothing says "if your edge is blocked, you are auto-killed."

You can't come on the board edge because you can't be within 1" of an enemy model, thus keeping you off the table. This doesn't work against vehicles or skimmers because they can either tank shock or fly right over, same with jump troops.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/321769.page#2012081


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SaintHazard wrote:

lonekthx wrote:You can't come on the board edge because you can't be within 1" of an enemy model, thus keeping you off the table. This doesn't work against vehicles or skimmers because they can either tank shock or fly right over, same with jump troops.

First of all, it doesn't work against tanks or skimmers. Vehicles without the "tank" type cannot tank shock. Also, you forgot jetbikes.

Second, you're missing the point - yes, you cannot move within 1" of an enemy model, but what happens if you cannot come in from reserve? Reserve rules force you to put the unit on the table. Enemy models lining the table edge will force you to NOT put the unit on the table. So you're simultaneously forced to put the unit on the table and not put the unit on the table. What happens? The rules don't give an answer, so you have to make gak up.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/321769.page#2012081


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chaos0xomega wrote:You dont make gak up. If you can't bring them on the table, you can't bring them on the table. That means they are not deployed, but neither are they in reserve. As the rules state, if they are not on the table at the end of the game, they are destroyed.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/321769.page#2012081


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puma713 wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:You dont make gak up. If you can't bring them on the table, you can't bring them on the table. That means they are not deployed, but neither are they in reserve. As the rules state, if they are not on the table at the end of the game, they are destroyed.

Those two highlighted statements are nowhere at all in the rules. You just made gak up. It's a perfectly fine solution, but recognize it for what it is: a house rule.

And recognize that there is no other way to play it than with such a "house rule".

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/321769.page#2012081

if one was to put Lilith in a archons retinue unit, would she then gain the 2+ to wound? How exactly is the wording of the poison master's rules?

First lilith doesnt have any poison to improve, and second the guy that makes poison a 2+ only effects himself and the archon

Believe it is worded that you need poison before the Poison master bodyguard will improve it.

So what exactly does Lady Malys do in close combat/shooting? I've heard for 130 pts you get the psychic immunity for her and her unit and the D3 units redeployment but what else can she do?

zeekill wrote:So what exactly does Lady Malys do in close combat/shooting? I've heard for 130 pts you get the psychic immunity for her and her unit and the D3 units redeployment but what else can she do?

Not...much.

You hit on the heart of that character.

Does anyone else think it's odd that the leader of the wych cult does not come with combat drugs?

whocares wrote:

zeekill wrote:So what exactly does Lady Malys do in close combat/shooting? I've heard for 130 pts you get the psychic immunity for her and her unit and the D3 units redeployment but what else can she do?

Not...much.

You hit on the heart of that character.

Does anyone else think it's odd that the leader of the wych cult does not come with combat drugs?

No, in her fluff it says that she's so good she doesn't need them. Not even kidding.

Anyone have sweet info on Urien Rakarth? Besides the fact he makes Wracks troops/3 pain tokens/ and regens 1 wound a turn.

Anyone know if the wych weapon Chain-of-blades (+2A and rerolls misses/failed wounds) is worded such that you can also reroll misses with haywire grenades? If so, I'm going to go with that instead of Hydra Gauntlets.

Based on info I'm seeing right now, I'm thinking something along the lines of

Lady Malys
Elite warriors x3 2 darklances in venom
Elite warriors x3 2 darklances in venom
Elite wyches x10 raider
wyches x10 raider
wyches x10 raider
warriors x10 raider
warriors x10 raider
Voidraven
ravager
ravager

Dracos I would say no, as you can't combine different CCWs to get a better weapon. So you couldn't get the S8 power weapon from a Power Fist, and also get re-roll wounds from a Lightning Claw.

Oshova

Normally you are correct, but it entirely depends on the wording. Which is why I'm asking. I can't wait until I have a chance to go check it out for myself on thursday . Sucks to have to wait so long to take a copy home. I have been saying for a while I was waiting on DE release to start my 2nd army, and now that its here the month wait seems longer than the 6 months since I decided on them for my 2nd!

whocares wrote:Does anyone else think it's odd that the leader of the wych cult does not come with combat drugs?

It's not odd at all. She didn't have them in 3rd, because of GW Being pillocks and not wording it so she did, so they made a nod to the in-joke but not letting her use them this time round!

Well yeah, but in the previous (currently current) codex she used the combat drug result of any squad she joined. But ofcourse, it's now just one army wide roll, so she would just be getting the same thing wherever she went.

But tbh if she is so awesome without them, then it just makes everything a whole lote scarier for anyone stupid enough to get in her way.

Oshova

Edit: 1 L3run 2 r34d =P

Gwar! wrote:

whocares wrote:Does anyone else think it's odd that the leader of the wych cult does not come with combat drugs?

It's not odd at all. She didn't have them in 3rd, because of GW Being pillocks and not wording it so she did, so they made a nod to the in-joke but not letting her use them this time round!

Yeah, I know she didn't have them in third.

But until somebody mentioned her fluff, I was just sitting here thinking they made the same mistake twice.

Reading that fluff is just painful. "Sweet fruit of horror." That's what? A kiwi?

whocares wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

whocares wrote:Does anyone else think it's odd that the leader of the wych cult does not come with combat drugs?

It's not odd at all. She didn't have them in 3rd, because of GW Being pillocks and not wording it so she did, so they made a nod to the in-joke but not letting her use them this time round!

Yeah, I know she didn't have them in third.

But until somebody mentioned her fluff, I was just sitting here thinking they made the same mistake twice.

Reading that fluff is just painful. "Sweet fruit of horror." That's what? A kiwi?

It is clearly a Pinecumber: A Pineapple mixed with a Cucumber!

Dracos wrote:Normally you are correct, but it entirely depends on the wording. Which is why I'm asking. I can't wait until I have a chance to go check it out for myself on thursday . Sucks to have to wait so long to take a copy home. I have been saying for a while I was waiting on DE release to start my 2nd army, and now that its here the month wait seems longer than the 6 months since I decided on them for my 2nd!

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Leggy wrote:So to those who've read the codex, which would you say was the better choice for tank hunting, the voidraven or the ravager? From what I've read the void lances sound devastating, but you can get far more dark lances by spamming ravagers, and it'll end up cheaper.
Thoughts from the better informed?

VoidRaven have nice weapons , but still expensive and fragile.

I prefer the veteran kabal armed with as much blaster as they can and throw them on a Raider.

LunaHound wrote:

Leggy wrote:So to those who've read the codex, which would you say was the better choice for tank hunting, the voidraven or the ravager? From what I've read the void lances sound devastating, but you can get far more dark lances by spamming ravagers, and it'll end up cheaper.
Thoughts from the better informed?

VoidRaven have nice weapons , but still expensive and fragile.

I prefer the veteran kabal armed with as much blaster as they can and throw them on a Raider.

You include other guys just as meatshields or no?

Rymafyr wrote:Yes, let's look for holes in the rules to exploit before learning the rules. Nice.

Heh nice flame. I'm not looking for holes, I just got the impression they might work a certain way from how people described the wargear. Wondering how wargear works is hardly trying to exploit them.

Dracos wrote:

Rymafyr wrote:Yes, let's look for holes in the rules to exploit before learning the rules. Nice.

Heh nice flame. I'm not looking for holes, I just got the impression they might work a certain way from how people described the wargear. Wondering how wargear works is hardly trying to exploit them.

That's cool if you're not looking for holes, but be aware that is how it came across. I retract my previous statement.

Rymafyr wrote:Disintegrators will still have their place.

No they really won't :(

Farmer wrote:

Rymafyr wrote:Disintegrators will still have their place.

No they really won't :(

Really? They are crazy death to terminators.